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spycer wrote:

Green Blow Fly wrote:...Dante and Mephiston irregardless of who charges.

Irregardless? Really?

The mathhammer is fine. The only problem is that collection of letters right there that isn't really... well... a word.

courtesy of http://www.merriam-webster.com

Main Entry: ir·re·gard·less
Pronunciation: \ˌir-i-ˈgärd-ləs\
Function: adverb
Etymology: probably blend of irrespective and regardless
Date: circa 1912
nonstandard : regardless

usage Irregardless originated in dialectal American speech in the early 20th century. Its fairly widespread use in speech called it to the attention of usage commentators as early as 1927. The most frequently repeated remark about it is that “there is no such word.” There is such a word, however. It is still used primarily in speech, although it can be found from time to time in edited prose. Its reputation has not risen over the years, and it is still a long way from general acceptance. Use regardless instead.

Niel, spycer, Sorry but Im failing to see what this has to do with a tactic asked by the OP. Who cares about how GBF used his fingers to type a sentence improperly/properly

Don't you see? It invalidates his entire argument!

Arschbombe wrote:Don't you see? It invalidates his entire argument!

Oh yea! Excuse my ignorance

Orks charging tactical Marines... Sure that is lopsided in the favor of hte boyz. Orkz charged by Berzerkers not nearly as good and being fearless with a craptacular armor save means you will be pulling more boyz due to No Retreat. Shoota Boyz in general are much better than Slugga Boyz.

I think the example with Lootas shooting Mephiston failed to take into account his FNP.

G

irregardless

Warboss Gutrip wrote:Sorry if I am a bit biased, the last time I faced Memphiston he an his death company did nothing except die to a small unit of Harlequins. I was not impressed.

I seem to recall it being 8 Harlequins with full command and al kisses on charge. It was only 3 death company members.

* face palm *

Wow, just wow...

3 death company will lose bad to 8 quins, yes.

I had 10 harlequins charge 10 zerkers once. 3 harlequins and 2 zerkers died. Strange things will happen.

Green Blow Fly wrote:Orks charging tactical Marines... Sure that is lopsided in the favor of hte boyz. Orkz charged by Berzerkers not nearly as good and being fearless with a craptacular armor save means you will be pulling more boyz due to No Retreat. Shoota Boyz in general are much better than Slugga Boyz.

I think the example with Lootas shooting Mephiston failed to take into account his FNP.

G

YEa Im not saying that boyz are just the above all be all at CC, but youve got to give them more credit then that. I personally do more damage with just 12 boyz being dumped from a trukk then foot slogging shootas. I just cant rely on the BS of Orks.

Same with Lootas. I wouldnt rely on lootas dowing IC at all. Sure they shoot alot, and have strong guns, but Im sorry, everyone thinking they on average getting 2 or the 3 shots is just insane. Sure they shoot upto 30 times, but with that BS most of them wont hit. And yea, his FNP will just keep him in the game

As you said Khaine, it was 6 harlies + shadowseer, all kisses + death jester. Comes to 170 points. A whole lot less than Memphiston. Your point was?

That unit is seriously undercosted.

G

just thinking aloud would running them over with a deff rolla work?

What are the rules?

G

Shokk Attack gun (AP2) can be useful plus maybe Old Zogwort to turn em into a squig (of course mephiston has a psychic hood so no where near perfect).

deffskullz wrote:just thinking aloud would running them over with a deff rolla work?

It would work if Dante hadn't a (in Tank Shock situation) auto-hitting meltagun, in which case even AV 14 isn't good enough.
To Green Blow Fly it is an awesome upgrade for Battlewagons which does D6 S10 hits on each unit it Tank Shocks.

30 Slugga Boyz with a PK Nob.

First you lose 7 boyz to them, since they get to strike first.

88 S4 WS4 and 4 S9 WS4 on the charge. Allot the PK hits to Mephiston so he can't take FNP.

0f the 88 44 will hit, against T5 14.67 will wound, 2+ saves gives you 2.4 wounds. 2 of the PKs hit, Mephiston may or may not be gone depending on where those 2-3 wounds went earlier. You take 2-3 No Retreat wounds, and clean up next round because you only need to inflict a couple more wounds.

Also; Green Blow Fly, you're wrong. Ork Slugga Boyz are, point-for-point, the most effective close combat troops in the game. Consider that that 30-strong squad, with a PK Nob, is only 225 points total. I don't know what the point cost for Mephiston and Dante is, but I believe it's significantly higher.

nyyman wrote:

deffskullz wrote:just thinking aloud would running them over with a deff rolla work?

It would work if Dante hadn't a (in Tank Shock situation) auto-hitting meltagun, in which case even AV 14 isn't good enough.
To Green Blow Fly it is an awesome upgrade for Battlewagons which does D6 S10 hits on each unit it Tank Shocks.

easily solveable big mek in the back of the Battle wagon with a custom force field. Melta becomes half as effective and you kill Dante with DOG and the unit takes 2D6 wound ... even if he gets lucky and kills the BW... on the off chance he does kill the BW theres also a unit of 15 burnas with the Big mek, and just cover him with flamy goodness and charge...

roll enough dice and everything dies... 15 burnas fire their flamer templates first then charge... that should soften them up quite a bit, plus any gun on their trukk. I've killed a termy squad with a ton of lasguns it's always possible with numbers

this made me laugh for a while

1: meph is a wound regenerating tank, with a 2+, burnas wont do gak to him.

2: orks charge, and get to go last while meph and dante hack them apart in a single turn.

3: i only run meph, but i run him with 10 death company and a chappy, so charging that unit will do nothing except cost you a KP and a nice chunk of points



If you really want them dead then just swarm them or work on a large amount of firepower.

IE: 45 lootas will kill either dante or meph in a single turn.

30 boyz charging them may kill them, but its a gamble since you will lose a large amount of your impact when they strike 1st.

Tri wrote: easily solveable big mek in the back of the Battle wagon with a custom force field. Melta becomes half as effective

1. Kustom with a K. Get it right, ya git.

2. Does DoG count as an assault and thus negate the KFF effect?

dante's melta is a melta pistol if iam not mistaken...

Eidolon wrote:Do the two HQs not roll around with the deathcompany, and then detach to unleash rape elsewhere?

retinue get's flame grilled in the 12 templates.......

provided that you manage to cover them 6 times with 12 templates


6 hits 3 wounds 1 kill

also afaik a battlewagon can take 16 boys

so 16 flamertemplates + bw weaponry

with a retinue of 10 you'll wind up with 150 flamer hits or so as per new rules that is 15 hits a piece, which is an utter overkill on the retinue

and 7.5 wounds on each mephiston and dante so 1.25 wounds after saves on dante and 0.625 on mephi....

then you can hit them with a bunch of lootas and there goes his uber cc squad....

Arschbombe wrote:

Tri wrote: easily solveable big mek in the back of the Battle wagon with a custom force field. Melta becomes half as effective

1. Kustom with a K. Get it right, ya git.

2. Does DoG count as an assault and thus negate the KFF effect?

Spell checker auto corrected ¬_¬ and missed solvable any way ...
DoG allows the model to make a single attack which automatically hits but if it is a ranged weapon that counts as being at range; if that's a close combat weapon then it counts as close combat.