Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

back @ Emperors Faithful
Would mass shootings happen at all if responsible people were able to prevent them?

Illeix wrote:back @ Emperors Faithful
Would mass shootings happen at all if responsible people were able to prevent them?

Define prevent

If you mean people with guns using lethal force on another person using a gun, my answer is no. Violence births violence.

Squig_herder wrote:I must say that I personally feel that the NRA is almost liable for each and every civilian shooting in the USA. This is because of there complete objection to complete, solid and heavy enforcement of gun control

Not true, they only oppose gun control that infringes on the rights and privacy of gun owners...

Squig_herder wrote:It seems to be almost no-existent from where I sit. Simple gun checks and proper arms dealers [legal gun suppliers] in the USA would reduce the frequency of the shooting there.

I feel they are abusing there power.

Well grammatical errors aside, I have to take issue with your false ideas on the state of gun sales in the US. You do realize that you have to be a federally licensed firearms dealer in order to open a gun store. And there are extremely stringent regulations that go along with said store. There are also background checks and cooling off periods that do vary by state. You don't simply walk into a store, buy a gun and walk out. Gun shows, where individual owners can sell some of their own firearms easily is another matter...

it is disingenuous at best to equate the two, Squig, would you not expect a police officer to return fire if neccisary?

Emperors Faithful wrote: But the guy does raise some valid points. And even the media prefers drama to accuracy, no?

True, but that doesn't validate forming an opinion on misinformation.

Moore does raise some valid points, but so will anyone who attacks a cultural preference. There are always different ways of behaving which will achieve different results. Whether or not those results are preferable depends entirely on what it is you value. Many Americans value freedom (or at least the appearance of freedom) more highly than life, and that affects a lot of what happens in our society.

Illeix wrote:it is disingenuous at best to equate the two, Squig, would you not expect a police officer to return fire if neccisary?

Police is another subject, we are talking about the "average joe" owning a gun, there for when stated about preventing a shooting, the poster was referring to a civilian shooting another civilian to "prevent a shooting", not a trained police officer doing everything in his power to prevent the shooting before resorting to lethal force. A gun to not always the best answer to another gun.

On a side note, CoD:MW2 is a playable advert for the American army, and the quote "every fight is our fight" is a complete load of ****, who won Vietnam? Do you own the whole world? :beep: ing CoD

*salt*

Emperors Faithful wrote:Seriously, I'm suprised if I go looking through more than 3 consecutive threads and not find some Yankee rednecks talking about their flashy new boomsticks.

It's a fething gun.
Get over it. I don't know which is sadder, those who are pretending to have a gun and be all manly, or those who DO have a gun so that they can pretend to be all manly.

I'm sure this thread will either end in an all consuming ball of redneck rage-hate or sadly trail off into a conversation about boys and thier toys...

This is blatant trolling and unacceptable conduct. Not everyone who owns or shoots is a "redneck" or sad or compensating or etc etc.

..and we've had 1,234 threads on/around this topic already.

Thread closed.