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Hey again just me >.>,sure your bored of me by now . So I'm going to my local GW as its open late tonight and going to get my orks fixed and a codex (if they have one (please have one!!!!)). So i should have some half finished orks when i come back

I roughly remember my old 1000 pt list it consisted of something like this:

HQ

WARBOSS-PK, eavy armour, cybork body, bosspole, kombi-weapon

ELITES

LOOTAS, 10

TROOPS

NOBZ-5, 1 PK, 1 big choppa, 1 kombi weapon. Trukk with peinforced ram, red paint job, grot riggers and wreckin' ball.

BOYZ-12, Nob with PK, eavy armour, bosspole and 1 rokkit launcha. Trukk with peinforced ram, red paint job, grot riggers and wreckin' ball.

BOYZ-12, Nob with PK, eavy armour, bosspole and 1 big shoota.

FAST ATTACK

WARBIKERS, 3, nob with PK.

HEAVY SUPPORT

KILLA KAN, 1, grotzooka.

I also had a unit of 12 shoota boyz, with nob and Pk with which i sometimes replaced the footslogging boyz unit.

It worked quite effectively, my bikers zoomed of down the flank taking out heavy weapon squads and tanks, my units in trukks zoomed down the center and hit quite hard when they got there. Meanwhile the kan and lootas layed down some good supportive fire. The other boyz unit was a points filler really but it added more boyz to the waaaaggh.
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No i am not bored. I just didnt realized it is second page here by now . The list above is not very good IMO. Its mixed shooting/assaulting and wierd mix of everything that makes nothing together. Bikes miss bosspole, Nobz dont have armour and dont have different equip. Taking nobz at 1000 points is okay, maybe cheesy a bit but it consumes really large chunk of the force so i wouldnt recommend it. It might work but clever enemy will kill you without problem. He will just pick off separate units. Sweet memories. Back then in 2002 when i came and bought Dark elf spearmen, mounted DE sorc and Malus Darkblade, and an armybook too. Was really something so new.

Kk, using help from some of the lists provided and some of my own imagination, for once, I have came up with this:

HQ: Warboss 145
-PK
-Bosspole
-Attack Squig
-Bike

Troops: 156
Boyz, 11 (big shoota as choice)
-Nob, PK, Bosspole,
-Trukk, Extra armour

Troops: 156
Boyz, 11 (big shoota as choice)
-Nob, PK, Bosspole,
-Trukk, Extra armour

Troops: 156
Boyz, 11 (big shoota as choice)
-Nob, PK, Bosspole,
-Trukk, Extra armour

Troops: 156
Boyz, 11 (big shoota as choice)
-Nob, PK, Bosspole,
-Trukk, Extra armour


Ok it's not complete i have another 231 points to spend , any ideas??? I was thinking a different kind of troop in a Trukk? Another CC one?

for the 231 points you could make a small retinue for your boss on bike

4 nob bikers 45pts each 180
1 with pk 25
1 with uge choppa 5
1 with uge choppa and BP 10
1 with uge choppa and eavy armor 10

thats 230 pts.

Drop the armor on trukks and add rams and planks. Get a KFF mek for the concealment of vehicles. You could drop one trukk squad and use that and the extra points for a wagon with a 20 boy squad in it. At this point total you won't need a squad for your boss, its his job to TBoost around and pop enemy tanks in CC.


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Drop the armor on trukks and add rams and planks. Get a KFF mek for the concealment of vehicles. You could drop one trukk squad and use that and the extra points for a wagon with a 20 boy squad in it. At this point total you won't need a squad for your boss, its his job to TBoost around and pop enemy tanks in CC.

Your boss misses cybork body for invul. That extra armour is not very good but can help you against glancing hits from say bolters. I would give them red paint only. I tend to buy eavy armour for nobz in the boyz squads because you can allocate one wound to your nob with better save ande every time he makes it it pays the armour (one more boy alive). I see nob bikers being good choice. The one with eavy armour is not good. Buy combi scorcha instead.

HQ: Warboss 155
-PK
-Bosspole
-Attack Squig
-Bike
-Cybork body

Troops: 156
Boyz, 11 (big shoota as choice)
-Nob, PK, Bosspole, Eavy armour
-Trukk, Ram

Troops: 156
Boyz, 11 (big shoota as choice)
-Nob, PK, Bosspole, Eavy armour
-Trukk, Ram

Troops: 156
Boyz, 11 (big shoota as choice)
-Nob, PK, Bosspole, Eavy armour
-Trukk, Ram

Troops: 151
Boyz, 11 (big shoota as choice)
-Nob, PK, Bosspole,
-Trukk, Ram

Troops: 230
4 nob bikers
1 with pk
1 with uge choppa
1 with uge choppa and BP
1 with uge choppa and combi scorcha

999 pts.

Rams for the trukks are there because there is a problem when going into terrain with this list. One of the trukk nobz misses eavy armour. Never mind.

JaYkeH wrote:Kk, using help from some of the lists provided and some of my own imagination, for once, I have came up with this:

HQ: Warboss 145
-PK
-Bosspole
-Attack Squig
-Bike

Troops: 156
Boyz, 11 (big shoota as choice)
-Nob, PK, Bosspole,
-Trukk, Extra armour

Troops: 156
Boyz, 11 (big shoota as choice)
-Nob, PK, Bosspole,
-Trukk, Extra armour

Troops: 156
Boyz, 11 (big shoota as choice)
-Nob, PK, Bosspole,
-Trukk, Extra armour

Troops: 156
Boyz, 11 (big shoota as choice)
-Nob, PK, Bosspole,
-Trukk, Extra armour


Ok it's not complete i have another 231 points to spend , any ideas??? I was thinking a different kind of troop in a Trukk? Another CC one?

Try this my friend:

HQ

1 x Warboss - power klaw, cybork body, attack squig & combi skorcha

Elite

**15 x Lootas

Troops

5 x Nobz inc Painboy w/ Battlewagon - 1 x power klaw, 1 x big choppa, 1 x waagh! banner & 1 x boss pole & all have cybork bodies

20 x Boyz - 2 x rokkits - nob w/ power klaw & boss pole

12 x Boyz w/ Trukk - nob w/ power klaw & boss pole

12 x Boyz w/ Trukk - nob w/ power klaw & boss pole

Ok so same as your list more or less but you've got a few extra goodies.

Boss has lost his bike. No good having one unit on a bike without any support, or another unit to attach to in order to take the wounds. Oh, added cybork body so now has invulnerable saves.

Nobz added, I've kept them small as its a small army but given them unique wargear so you can abuse the wound allocation system. Basically before you even remove one nob, all must be wounded, unless in instant death parts. Nobz are troops choice, so you've now got equal scoring numbers as before . Also they'got a battlewagon, keeps them safe, though you will need to add one weapon onto this to allocate weapon destroyed results. If you have the points a deffrolla would be nice to smash infantry at least.

Unit of boyz are in a battlewagon, now gives dual targets I've given them rokkits for medium anti tank.

Trukk boyz are still the same.

Check the points as I haven't added it up, you might be over or less. But thats a force I'd probably take.

Btw - the lootas I put as a * because I'm not sure if you have the points. If you have the points I would get a unit of these as they can provide lnog range fire support for anti troop and medium anti armour. One less job for your boyz, lootas pop the transport boyz assault. Or something nasty like a imperial guard hellhound will toast your boyz once out the trukks, use the lootas to gun it down.

Ahh mercer, the champion of the deffgun strikes again! At least you advised a maximized squad, jk bro I jest. At this points total I would say lootas are a bit too pricey. Since you have HS slots open why not grab kannons, they are cheap and with grot BS they are rather effective.

Ummm adds up to around 1100 points :(. I put the Warboss on a bike because then he can keep up btw lol . I might stick with the army i came up with, but add some defcopters or bikes... Not sure =/

@Woltchtuka, that list did work i won a few games with it. At my FLGS we had a 1000pt 40K compotition, i finished 4th with that list and the nobz did have 'eavy armour, just forgot to say, sorry.

At 1000pts you are not going to fit much in if they are all on bikes. JaYkeH, the list you came up with is good, but is not veratile enough. Stick with it, take the boss off bike and put him in trukk. Also get rid of one unit of boyz. This gives you 427pts to play with. As mercer suggested id take lootas, though not 15, but ten, leaving you with 271. With this buy kommandos/deffkoptas.

JaYkeH please dont listen to mercer as his list is a bit crappy. Lootas will not have their targets from turn two becoming useless. It is splitter assault/shooting. Not good. Rokkit launchas sux unless linked. Lone bike squad can actually do really well. Tried many times. Its not 1000 pts too as i read in upper posts. Too dispersed. Not good.


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One army i recently saw at 1000 pts tournament was 5x12 Trukk boyz + 1x11 Trukk boyz + boss. This is good too but the list with nob bikes is more fun.

Ok, thanks for the advice again . I think ill go with my list + the bikes like you said. After having 1000 points for a while 1500-2000 are next then maby i new army . I'll post up the army list in a sec


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HQ:
Warboss 75
-Attack squig

Troops:
Ork Boyz (9+1nob), Trukk 129
-PK, Bosspole

Ork Boyz (10+1nob), Trukk 135
--PK, Bosspole

Ork Boyz (10+1nob), Trukk 135
-PK, Bosspole

Ork Boyz (10+1nob), Trukk 135
-PK, Bosspole

Fast Attack:
Biker (5+1nob)

Warbuggie (If I have enough spare points)

Ok, how should i upgrade the bikers warboss and possibly the buggie? Oh total is 798 withought the buggie (including all upgrades that are shown on list atm.) And 833 is the points with the buggie and the above

Thanks in advance,
JaYkeH

Warboss without power klaw is no warboss. Using trukk boss has got a big downside: it makes one trukk unit really much more expensive than others making it target priority resulting in that trukk being blown in turn one despite some clever cover. Dont like warbuggie, they dont do much and will get blown quickly. All of your boy squads cost 6 pts more as to get a nob you have to pay for a boy and then upgrade him at +10 pts. Biker squad can do good damage. I would suggest buying some deffkoptaz. They are awesome. What about this?

HQ:
Warboss 125
-Attack squig, PK, Bosspole, Eavy armour, Cybork body, Combi scorcha

Troops:
Ork Boyz (9+1nob), Trukk 145
-PK, Bosspole, Big shoota, Ram

Ork Boyz (10+1nob), Trukk 151
-PK, Bosspole, Big shoota, Ram

Ork Boyz (10+1nob), Trukk 151
-PK, Bosspole, Big shoota, Ram

Ork Boyz (10+1nob), Trukk 151
-PK, Bosspole, Big shoota, Ram

Fast Attack:
Bikers (2+1nob) 115
-PK, Bosspole

Deffkoptaz (2) 115
-Rokkit launchaz, Buzzsaw

Deffkopta (1) 45
-Rokkit launcha

998 pts.

Downside of this list is that you need to buy the deffkoptaz from some guy who doesnt want ork part of AOBR or scrathbuild them.


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Deffkoptaz will scout and annoy armour in turn 1 if you begin or outflank if you dont begin. Bikers will zoom on the flank killing some shooty stuff like SM devastators or another key units like tau pathfinders. Trukks will ride towards nearest enemy, boss trukk hidden behind other one to give it cover. You want at least one trukk to survive the game for some objective grabbing after the bashing.

Buzzsaw on koptas is a waste, split them into 3 squads of 1 kopta with rokkits, cut the bosspole on the bikers, or cut them all together. At least koptas are a flanking suicide unit, but bikers with just 3 boyz? That won't even take concentrated fire to obliterate.them, and get those trukk squads maxed if possible (except for bosses escort) and as always an 85 point mek with KFF will make these bare trukks that lack a BW wall actually get to their target.

Ok, as usual you are a life saver . Thanks for advice on Buggie. So Deffkoptas you can only get through AOBR?

Basically... yes. Buzzsaw on koptaz is not a waste. When you fail to kill your targets with your rokkitz you WILL kill it with buzzaw. Tried. Especailly against tau this unit is really good in fighting suits too. 3 Squads of 1 kopta are good but not enough fast attack slots. I use single squad of 3 bikes set up like this and two squads of two koptaz set up like this. Enemy doesnt want to waste shooting on these cheap units and will try to kill the rest. If you take larger squad your opponent will be like "holy crap loadsa bikers, lets shoot them with some nice heavy flamers". Bikes are PK delivery with decent anti light infatnry and anti AV10/11. Bosspole is necessary there. Koptaz can deal with heavier too. KFF mek is good idea. Drop the single kopta, split the unit of two, drop some upgrades and get the mek.

You can order just the AOBR koptas on ebay for rather cheap as an alternative.


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I would suggest something like this:
HQ- Warboss, PK, Squig, Cybork=110
HQ- Big Mek, KFF=85
TROOP- 12 Boyz, 1 Nob Upgrade, 1 PK, Bosspole, 1 Trukk, Red Paint, Reinforced Ram=157
TROOP- 12 Boyz, 1 Nob Upgrade, 1 PK, Bosspole, 1 Trukk, Red Paint, Reinforced Ram=157
TROOP- 11 Boyz, 1 Nob Upgrade, 1 PK, Bosspole, 1 Trukk, Red Paint, Reinforced Ram=151
TROOP- 11 Boyz, 1 Nob Upgrade, 1 PK, Bosspole, 1 Trukk, Red Paint, Reinforced Ram=151
FAST ATTACK-Deff Kopta, TL Rokkits=45
FAST ATTACK-Deff Kopta, TL Rokkits=45
FAST ATTACK-Deff Kopta, TL Rokkits=45
HEAVY-1xBig Gunz Kannon=20
HEAVY-1xBig Gunz Kannon=20
This is 986, don't have my dex on me as I'm at work, but you could add like extra grots or ammo grots to the kannons with the left overs. I like kannons at low points for anti mechanized.

The list above^^^ sounds good but I might add the kannonz on wehn i expand the list. Hopefully soon i will be setting up a WIP log. Thanks to all the people who helped me to get the finished list, if you didnt, you should have .

It is supposed to be fast assault army so the big guns dont fit the theme i think...

Yeah I just felt that would give him his best bang for his buck against vehicles at 1000 pts.

I thought i was PK that destroy the world.. :( The small bike unit really works! Really!

So im guessing the current list is good?

The above mentioned list is good, IMO you might want to swap out the kannons, I'm not fond of them, I see their uses but for a fast moving list you risk a small portion of the enemy getting close to your kannons, then they are dead. I suggest keeping your army close enogh to support itself.

jaykeh, don't take much notice of w0chtulka, his list sucks balls in areas and not only insults me but his list is very like mine, except I put stronger battlewagons in. so kind of double standards.

wochtulka doesn't understand the concept that orks cannot deal with armour, only up close, power klaws only are not the solution. while I actually did say I don't know if you have enough points, the lootas would pro vide long range fire support. something your list lacks and wochtulka completely over looked.

however, lootas do need another unit to support them. though a max unit will survive and having just one unit hardly splits the force when all other units are close combat, yes?

rokkits are cheap, they might not hit but when you have several in a unit law of averages says something has got to hit.

don't waste time on the bikers. the unit isn't big enough. the deffkopters are ok, though use the remaining points to get two battlewagons. wagons are stronger, last longer than trukks and keep that elite nob unit protected.

best thing to do is proxy, but I would go with two wagons, rest in trukks and deffkopters. though deffkopters go in single units, I can explain why if you're not sure.

hope that helps buddie

Hey mercer, can you write that up as a list? Then ill take in a load of lists to my local GW tomorow and ill hopefully come out with a finished lsit.

P.S: If anyone is intrested just finished assembling first unit of boys

Mercer please, please dont write this nonsence. "Stronger" battlewagons arent fast and enemy can deploy in way where you will reach them in turn 3 not turn 2. Orks in fact CAN deal with armour. Power klaw is the way to go other things except koptaz are nonsense in speed list. You will catch enemy vehicle with koptaz and trukks. If you begin koptaz can kill most armour in turn 1. Your "fire support" consists of 15 orks who will get killed with one speedy flamer. They will get like one salvo before all tempting targets will be locked in CC or dead. Orks need to have 100 precent either in CC or in shooting or are dead against better enemies. You will not have times or you will not waste unit shooting on vehicle if you dont want to assault it and say you go agaisnst armour 12... there is AMAZING 16 precent change you will do something! All of your rokkitz will NOT shoot at the same targets unless you want to be killed. Bikerz are perhaps the best thing in ork list so it is not about wasting time but about knowing how to use them, you seem like you dont know how mercer because you are telling they are too small without reading the reason . 3 Bike squad can kill walkers, smaller marine squads, and almost any imperial guard and tau thing. Trukks dont need to last, they just need to move once or sometimes twice. Deffkoptaz go in singles cause of Ld test when you loose one. True. If you go different equipped koptaz squad of two is sometimes useable. Enemy will not shoot small bike squad thats advantage of that unit. Mercer i understand you are in love with lootas but they just dont fit. Its the same like kannons. The list i posted is 100 precent assault, good thing. It will be in enemy by turn 1/2, good thing. Can destroy vehicles but will have some problems with land riders but can deal with them with the warboss squad, not good, not bad. Units doesnt vary much in terms of point except the boss squad who will be hidden so there are no target priorities, very good thing. You will get the charge against hordes, very good. I use battlewagon on 1000 pts too but it is only because i dont have enough trukks. My tourney list at 1000 is battlewagon with 19 ard boyz and boss, trukk with 7 nobz, 3 bikez and some koptaz. I won couple of small tournaments with it. I saw really lot of lists and the one i posted sacrifices nobz over more boyz which is situational but has got more targets which is good.

wow that was a long post hahha)
@mercer
the whole point of the trukks is that they can move 18-19" a turn since they are fast vehicles. and since they are cheaper than battlewagons you can take more stuff with you.

OK Jay, I wrote you a list just modifying your list a little. If you are open to slightly bigger changes, as it sounds you are, I will write up exactly how I would run 1000pts and you can take it or leave it at your leisure as it will just be my opinion, and we all know what part of the human anatomy opinions represent... I'll post it as soon as I go to lunch.

3 turkks=1 battlewagon. Battlewagon can get blown easily (side armour). Trukks are fast, more targets, can get cover too. Trukks are better in boy transport. Solved. Bob501 is absolutelly right.