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I was honestly considering

Farseer Fortune
Farseer Fortune

5 Man Dire Avenger w/ Brightlance Waveserpent
5 man Dire Avenger w/ Brightlance Waveserpentt

3 Warwalker w EML
3 Warwalker w/ EML
as a fire base just put the EML warwalkers behind the Dire Avenger brightlance platforms.

So expensive tho

Hollismason wrote:Are Guardian squads with Bright lances worth it? point wise they seem expensive. I dunno yet though what I am going to play although Jetbikes for my troops are something I wan to try.

Guardians with bright lances need to be guided due to their low BS.

I usually start off with a "core" army and build that compliments that.

Currently the core consists of
Farseer ( fortune , jetbike, etc.. stuff)
Autarch of whupass 165
6 Man Jetbike Squad w/ 2 Shuriken cannons ; Warlock w/ Avenger ; witchblade @ 200

6 Man Jetbike Squad w/ 2 Shuriken cannons ; Warlock w/ Avenger; witchblade @ 200

4 Man Jetbike w/ Shurican , Warlock w/ conceal
(Autarch and Farseer escort)

What does avenger mean?
I'd add a couple of War Walkers with scatter lasers or Fire Prisms.

He prob. means Destructor.
As Avenger is essentially the SM equivalent, except the Warlocks don't roll pychic tests for Destructor.

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My eldar list is something like:

10 Warlockjetbikes.
2 Fortune Seers
2-3 10 man GJB w/ 3 cannons/embolden lock
2 prisms
3 WW, shuriken cannons.
~1850-2000

My Chaos list is:

2 Dp with wings
30 Plauge marines in rhinos
6 oblits
20 lesser daemons
~2000

My Sm list is

Captain, bike
27 bikers
9 Attackbike FA
9 Assault termies
~1850

I find all of them competitive.

10 Warlockjetbikes.
2 Fortune Seers
2-3 10 man GJB w/ 3 cannons/embolden lock
2 prisms
3 WW, shuriken cannons.
~1850-2000

Here I'd replace one Fortune Jetseer by an Autarch on jetbike for some extra punch.

2 Dp with wings
30 Plauge marines in rhinos
6 oblits
20 lesser daemons
~2000

I guess the DP's have both psychic powers (lash).
How would you go down to 1750 pts?

I hate to harp but Blackmoors list is really cool too.

also for antimeq ; nobs ; terms (normal not assault)

9 Man Fire Dragon w/ Wave Serpent

9 Man Fire Dragon w/ Wave Serpent

Fire Prism

Fire prism

9 man Warp Spider

9 man Warp Spider


Ive proxied it and its fun fun fun to play. I just backed it up with Jetbikes.



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People really dont seem to use warpspiders enough but I love them. 24 inch threat range and ability to deepstrike.

A 9 man Squad puts out 18 shots a turn at BS4 which is slightly worse than a War Walker Squad w/ Scatter lasers but doesnt need guide to be super effective.

Are these statements still true?

7) Mind War uses the MODEL's unmodified Leadership value not the UNIT's value. This has been argued to death but the words speak plainly, Mind War those pesky Nobs or any other model that has its leadership value modified (except those damn sisters and their dirty book), it IS worth noting that as a "shooting attack" that causes wounds Mind War does allow the target to take cover or invul saves.

17) The new Space Marine Psychic hood (and possibly the Space Wolves staff) only function when a model within 24' casts a power. If you place your Psykers into a tank (such as a Falcon) then the Psyker is no longer on the table and as such not a "model" when casting. The hood can only target the tank (which is not casting a power) thus granting you complete immunity to the hood until you disembark. ** The Deamonhunters Hood is worded differently and works since it only cares about if a power was used somewhere, but strangely enough only gets to BE USED when a >model< casts a power. So enjoy your complete immunity all around, at least until you get shot out of the tank.

Elda" Dying race of aliens that GW has left for dead.

ZacktheChaosChild wrote:Elda" Dying race of aliens that GW has left for dead.

I think Eldar is the most considered xenos race besides Nids.
Third is Orks, then Tau and Necrons, and finally DE.

Guardian squads in general are highly overpriced, and easily destroyed unless you bring an Avatar along.

Guardsman: 5 points
Guardian: 8 points

What do you get for your 3 points? +1 initiative and a half-range gun.

Oops, I was replying to a different thread when I went off on a tangent about those other list of mine.

To answer Wuestenfux's question: No. They have no powers. Just 2 Daemon Prince with wings.

And to go from 2000 to 1750, I take out the lesser daemons... and still have 75 points for stuff...either powers on princes or another oblit. /shrug.

Old Man Ultramarine wrote:Are these statements still true?

7) Mind War uses the MODEL's unmodified Leadership value not the UNIT's value. This has been argued to death but the words speak plainly, Mind War those pesky Nobs or any other model that has its leadership value modified (except those damn sisters and their dirty book), it IS worth noting that as a "shooting attack" that causes wounds Mind War does allow the target to take cover or invul saves.

17) The new Space Marine Psychic hood (and possibly the Space Wolves staff) only function when a model within 24' casts a power. If you place your Psykers into a tank (such as a Falcon) then the Psyker is no longer on the table and as such not a "model" when casting. The hood can only target the tank (which is not casting a power) thus granting you complete immunity to the hood until you disembark. ** The Deamonhunters Hood is worded differently and works since it only cares about if a power was used somewhere, but strangely enough only gets to BE USED when a >model< casts a power. So enjoy your complete immunity all around, at least until you get shot out of the tank.

Yes although the Mind War is argued as mentioned, talk to your opponent on how it interacts with Mob Rule.

Sanctjud wrote:Oops, I was replying to a different thread when I went off on a tangent about those other list of mine.

To answer Wuestenfux's question: No. They have no powers. Just 2 Daemon Prince with wings.

And to go from 2000 to 1750, I take out the lesser daemons... and still have 75 points for stuff...either powers on princes or another oblit. /shrug.

Good to know what you're playing.
DP's without marks and powers? I'd give them at least the MoK for an extra attack.
Each PM unit has two meltas and is led by an AC with pf, right?

it's not the size of your boat, it's the motion of the ocean.

Eldar can fist feth anyone with superior gameplay.

Old Man Ultramarine wrote:

17) The new Space Marine Psychic hood (and possibly the Space Wolves staff) only function when a model within 24' casts a power. If you place your Psykers into a tank (such as a Falcon) then the Psyker is no longer on the table and as such not a "model" when casting. The hood can only target the tank (which is not casting a power) thus granting you complete immunity to the hood until you disembark. ** The Deamonhunters Hood is worded differently and works since it only cares about if a power was used somewhere, but strangely enough only gets to BE USED when a >model< casts a power. So enjoy your complete immunity all around, at least until you get shot out of the tank.

How does that possibly work? If the Farseer is not a "model" on the table for the purpose of dispelling spells, then he is not technically on the table and able to cast either.

Well, I think not being on the table when in a tank is not correct.
A unit in a tank can shoot out of the hatches (if the tank has not moved too far).

Part of the problem with playing eldar is that they are an expensive army, in real life terms. There are many variants of eldar armies out there but most are loaded with vehicles and/ or metal figs..... which cost a good piece of change. To get a reasonable eldar army is not at all cheap.

Then there is the problem that while the eldar can look wonderful when well painted they also arent one of the easier armies to paint. Once you have painted your first space marine you pretty much know what every other SM in your army will look like. With eldar its a good bit more complicated.


An eldar army that works at 500-750 points may not use any of those same models in a good 1750 army, so its not as easy to build an eldar army up as it is for SM or orcs. Orcs can always find a use for boyz, SM almost always use some tactical squads.....eldar dont often use guardians in a larger army. Wraithlords are great in smaller battlles but dont get used in most larger forces.

Then there is the basic fact that playing eldar requires a bit more finesse and skill than many other armies. A good SM or orc list can do at least reasonably well even for an average player while a good eldar list is easy to misplay.

So there are several reasons that eldar dont get as much love as other armies.



Sliggoth

I agree with Sliggoth.

Eldar is certainly not an army for beginners as they are less forgiving than MEQ armies.
However, for me, the main problems playing Eldar are the above mentioned glaring weaknesses.
This is the reason why they hit the shelf at the moment.

I started playing half a year ago, switching from Daemons to Eldar after a short while.

I keep seeing Eldar players mention that Eldar are hard(er) to play well, why do people say this? I suppose it is because Eldar are relatively fragile (T3) and expensive?

Also, players mention units don't work very well on their own but need to support each other. Whenever I read this I think of Farseer powers support as being a bit more specific "support" compared to what other armies can do. But could not the same be said for every other army?

wuestenfux wrote:Well, I think not being on the table when in a tank is not correct.
A unit in a tank can shoot out of the hatches (if the tank has not moved too far).

Perhaps I phrased it incorrectly

You cannot affect a squad (or single model) when it is embarked on the transport with any abilities whatsoever, Since the model is removed from the table when embarking on a transport the Psychic hoods and their terminology of "model" has nothing it can target. Since the "best" powers of Fortune, Guide, and Doom do not need LOS and can be cast from inside of a enclosed space you can cast these powers without getting out and without being vulnerable to a Psyhood. As mentioned the Deamonhunter's hood is worded differently, it affects the power not the model. So would work even if you are embarked, HOWEVER!!11 because you only gain "a use" of the deamonhunters hood when a model casts a power it wont work. Since there is no model present on the table to enable the hood to squash the power.


Used Paraphrased rules from BRB:
Key facts to remember (thankfully 5th has better defined the state of a embarked unit in a transport), when embarked a unit is removed from the table and cannot be affected by anything friend or foe. If there is a effect that is measured from the model instead use the hull of the transport, can fire a weapon with a firing port, cannot shoot if tank is stunned or shaken, counts as moving if tank moves etc etc. Also consider looking to the BRB FAQ/Errata as it further clarifies things even futhuer explaining how a psy power may be used as long as it does not have LOS if you have no firing ports (Eldar). Incidentally Doom, Guide, Fortune are not a shooting attack so can be used even if the tank is Stunned/Shaken and even if the Eldar transport moves Flat Out. (Flat Out is not Turbo Boost, big difference)

I started playing half a year ago, switching from Daemons to Eldar after a short while.

I keep seeing Eldar players mention that Eldar are hard(er) to play well, why do people say this? I suppose it is because Eldar are relatively fragile (T3) and expensive?

Also, players mention units don't work very well on their own but need to support each other. Whenever I read this I think of Farseer powers support as being a bit more specific "support" compared to what other armies can do. But could not the same be said for every other army?

Well as a example, when sending a unit of Banshees along in a tank, Doom the target or include a beefy IC such as a Autarch. This is what is meant of as "support each other" to make sure the job gets done with minimal losses. As a counter point you could send in a 10 man TAC squad with a power fist and a Melta Gun and it can take on whatever you want except for Super Specialized CC troops (SSCCT??) such as BloodTHirsters that will rip a TAC squad to pieces.

I have played eldar for 4 years now, and I still only play Eldar. The Wraithlords/guard are the units that drew me into eldar, but they are sadly very expensive (which is probably one of the reasons I still only play Eldar). Wraithguard cost $5 more than terminators! ANyway, My mind tends to wander around when I paint, so Eldar are the ideal force to not be too restricted to a color scheme (while still keeping some sort of army unity). They are fun to play, as they are to me like a many-faceted logic puzzle that needs to fit together on the battlefield.

as for the Eldar player gay jokes, I don't find them to be all too frequently, and when they do occur, a reference to howling banshees usually makes them cease.