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Fixture of Dakka



Chicago, Illinois

I was thinking of actually starting to purchase my own instead of using a friends Why is the eldar love so lacking on this forum.

What do people not like about them?

What do people like about them?

I mostly want to play the army for aesthetic reasons ; seems fun to paint.



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Esteemed Veteran Space Marine





I love eldar

Pros
Eldar miniatures have a very cool range
Competitivity ranging from Cheesy competitive al the way to friendly and everything in between
Farseers, coolest psykers in the game

Cons
Many eldar models are expensive
All aspect warriors have metal models
Eldar armies often find themselves outnumbered
Eldar have an outdated codex

People like to paint eldar because of the vaying paint schemes, not the same bland color scheme for every model...
I personally didn't get around to painting mine yet...
   
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Sneaky Striking Scorpion






Finland

Yep I also love Eldar. Dont think their codex is outdate tho (at least i dont dare say it due to all the necron etc players).

I bought my Iyanden Eldar army purely for the looks and fluff. However I did check that I could at least win a few games with the army before buying it. Would get boring to never ever win with an army no matter how fluffy or nice it is.




 
   
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Fixture of Dakka



Chicago, Illinois

I havent decided on my color scheme yet but I know for a fact there is a brown/ blue one out ther but I cannot remember the name of it for the life of me.


Also, I honestly just want them to pain and mess with Marines are kind of boring to paint.

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Maybe John Shaffer's army in the main 40k rulebook? His army is just amazing...
   
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Eldar certainly aren't outdated. They have a lot of awesome builds and some really cool units. I suppose since they aren't super easy to pick up and play there aren't as many players out there but I still see quite a few and I haven't seen much of this hate you are talking about.

I would want to play Eldar as my next army. Wraithlords are so cool!

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/shrug, they are butt of many gay jokes and cheese jokes.

I played a Jetbike heavy force, and it was fun while it lasted, but it got boring for me.

This is a little story about four people named Everybody, Somebody, Anybody, and Nobody.
There was an important job to be done and Everybody was sure that Somebody would do it.
Anybody could have done it, but Nobody did it.
Somebody got angry about that because it was Everybody's job.
Everybody thought that Anybody could do it, but Nobody realized that Everybody wouldn't do it.
It ended up that Everybody blamed Somebody when Nobody did what Anybody could have done.
 
   
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The day they make plastic wraithguard is the day I play eldar, I just love iyanden

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-Sly Marbo still attacks the front armor value in assault, for pity's sake.  
   
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Sanctjud wrote:/shrug, they are butt of many gay jokes and cheese jokes.

I played a Jetbike heavy force, and it was fun while it lasted, but it got boring for me.


Heh, now you have me thinking...

What's that hardest part of starting an eldar army?
...
Telling your parents your gay
   
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In the Webway.

Eldar are great on the batlefield. Theyre good in the game and they look striking due to many different colour schemes. Eldar also have a very rich backroung which a lot of people like.

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Armies at 'The Stand-still Point':

Cap'n Waaagggh's warband (Fantasy Orcs) 2250pts. Waaagghhh! in full flow... W-D-L=10-3-3

Hive Fleet Leviathan Strand 1500pts. W-D-L=7-1-2 Nom.

Eldar armies of various sizes W-D-L 26-6-3

 
   
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Salt Lake City

Not sure why they have a awesome look and background. I starting my army but can't quite decide on a color scheme yet.

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Theyre good in the game and they look striking due to many different colour schemes.


http://digitalronin.wordpress.com/2009/07/01/taste-the-rainbow/

Eldar: Taste the Rainbow.

This is a little story about four people named Everybody, Somebody, Anybody, and Nobody.
There was an important job to be done and Everybody was sure that Somebody would do it.
Anybody could have done it, but Nobody did it.
Somebody got angry about that because it was Everybody's job.
Everybody thought that Anybody could do it, but Nobody realized that Everybody wouldn't do it.
It ended up that Everybody blamed Somebody when Nobody did what Anybody could have done.
 
   
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Salt Lake City

Sanctjud wrote:
Theyre good in the game and they look striking due to many different colour schemes.


http://digitalronin.wordpress.com/2009/07/01/taste-the-rainbow/

Eldar: Taste the Rainbow.


Fear the skittle army! But I think one of the other reasons why people may not like eldar is due to learning curve unlike say SM if you leave your units out in the open or use them against the wrong target you will suffer for it.

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Smacking the crap out of Hive Fleet Leviathan.

I play eldar and I must say that my brothers space marines start shreiking like little sissy schwartzanegars when they see my army.

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I've been playing Eldar for the better part of a year now, but I've liked them ever since I started playing 40k (waaay back in 1995). I guess the primary appeal of the army is the miniatures. They're very slick and futuristic, but also organic-looking with all of their curves. They also look nice painted in bright colors, which you can't say about every army.

Playing the army is lots of fun since you generally have to think about coordinating your units. The units are so specialized and they're very fragile so you can't just throw them at the enemy willy-nilly. However, since everything in the army is so fast and (generally) powerful you can get good results by picking the enemy apart piecemeal.

The main thing I don't like about the army are the point costs. Generally speaking, every unit costs about 10 to 20 percent too much, which is especially galling for the troop choices. 12 points for a Dire Avenger? 8 for a Guardian? Ugh. At least the Fire Prism is nice and cheap.

As for the general fruitiness of the army, my opinion is: if you've got it, flaunt it, baby!

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Devastating Dark Reaper




Australia

I just like eldar, i dont know why
I hate high elves, wood elves and all other forms of elves, but i like eldar.
I think its their less kiss-ass background
and their less gay models (but still gayish)
and the awesome concept of aspect warriors

People hate them because of their arrogant background, and their fickle and manipulative nature
and the utter homosexuality of guardians. But even i hate that.
   
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Eldar is the only army I really care to play, hate typically comes from...

- Gay jokes due to graceful space elves

- Cone head jokes

- Last minute eldar wins that players never saw coming (36" Serpent moves and 24" Jetbike moves)

- Cover saves out the arse

You get the picture

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While I enjoy my Eldar army, I think as a whole they are overpriced (points-wise).

However, I think that my experience with Eldar discussion on this forum has been different from the OP's. I've seen lots of Eldar talk, but it's usually not from extremely competent list-builders or tacticians.

I've seen waaay too many threads on the "banshee vs. scorpion" debate, when neither unit is particularly valuable to most Eldar armies.

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Jacksonville, NC

Eldar get love, but most people play several different armies. Like many said, eldar are typically outnumbered, and due to terrible ballistic skill the shooty-elves are a lot less shooty than they really should be... But eldar are far from a bad army, a mech eldar army with walkers and wraithlords and things is a beautiful (and painful) thing to behold!

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Ive played eldar for the last two years. Went from all infantry walking aspect warrior list, to falcon rush, to walking army centered around wraithguard, to my current list.

Right now I run a mech seer council army that looks something like this at 2k. As you can tell, we have lots of armor heavy armies where I play.
eldrad
yriel
8 locks in serpent
2x5 dragons in serpents
3x5 avengers in serpents with bright lances.
2x3 war walkers with scatter lasers.

Im not bothered by jokes about eldar armies, why should I be? The fat greasy neckbeard who makes a point of waddling over to my table just to make gay/conehead/3rd grade jokes about my army can go back to eating cheetos and drinking mountain dew. Least I get laid on a regular basis. My army is pink and silver for gods sakes, I could care less about the manliness of a miniatures game army. And theres a good chance I would crush him if we played. This isnt to say im some god of 40k playing, but the people who run their mouths tend to be the worst players.

I find eldar are generally enjoyable on table top. I think they suffer in 5th from a number of issues, primarily overcosting of transports, reliance on transports, and overcosting of troops keeps us from being at the absolute top of the list. However they are an enjoyable list that when played right can dominate people. Ive seen quite a few people play linear 'line up and run at the enemy' 40k against eldar, mine or other players. It rarely ends well, normally with the eldar army dancing around the table, trading blows, and suddenly swinging the game last turn. My dragons and council rarely get out of the tank til turns 4 and 5, and often the longer my opponent thinks they can win the worse its going for them. This sort of setting someone up for a perfect kill playstyle is what I love most with eldar.

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Grim Forgotten Nihilist Forest.

Biker Councils are very nice they give me a headache.

I've sold so many armies. :(
Aeldari 3kpts
Slaves to Darkness.3k
Word Bearers 2500k
Daemons of Chaos

 
   
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I'm surprised no one mentioned my article

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/227419.page

Give it a whirl, it'll teach you everything you want to know about Eldar.



The Eldar, more than any other army, should not only look at the output of each unit individually, but the synergy of multiple units together and their role in the force as a whole. - Fable 
   
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Lady of the Lake






I play Eldar as well (started a month or so ago), you must have just missed them
Its like Witch Hunters, Daemon Hunters and Dark Eldar players, once you claim they're rare and so few many of them show up seemingly out of nowhere.

To add to the above posters FAQ is one that I found when starting.
http://www.40konline.com/community/index.php?topic=157393.0

   
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n0t_u wrote:I play Eldar as well (started a month or so ago), you must have just missed them
Its like Witch Hunters, Daemon Hunters and Dark Eldar players, once you claim they're rare and so few many of them show up seemingly out of nowhere.

To add to the above posters FAQ is one that I found when starting.
http://www.40konline.com/community/index.php?topic=157393.0


My guide is on 40k online as well if anyone prefers that site



The Eldar, more than any other army, should not only look at the output of each unit individually, but the synergy of multiple units together and their role in the force as a whole. - Fable 
   
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Hamburg

No love for Eldar?
Well, GW is slow updating codices.
The Eldar codex came out shortly (= GW time scale) before the 5th ed arrived.
Its a fact that Eldar was more competitive in the 4th ed than it is now.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
My Eldar army hits the shelf at the moment.
I'll reconsider it when a new 'dex arrives.

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Cons:
Expensive models
Harder tactical play compared to other races (Marines/Orks)
High points cost

Pros:
Killer fluff
Fabulous costumes, and hair!
Fun to paint
High tech weaponry

I have a load waiting for a repaint, and when I'm done they shall look very dapper, Gok Wan would be proud!
Its all about the confidence!

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Hamburg

Eldar have some glaring weaknesses in the 5th ed.:
1. Weak scoring (troop) units.
2. Skimmers got nerfed.
3. Random game length in objective based missions.

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@Wuestenfux:
1. I wouldn't say weak, but far too costly. Rules-wise, they are pretty decent.
Maybe less than a handful of stat changes.

2. Sort of, but they are still the rave. In addition, Energy Field on the Serpent is getting alot more use since many are taking melta like weaponry these days...pretty much eclipsing the HoloFalcon.
The only 'terrible' change was the change in defensive weapons, but that's not an 'Eldar' only change.

3. Well...it's not so great for last turn rushes, but I for one like it.
It adds so much to the game. Risk/Reward with Eldar is harder, but they are still capable.

This is a little story about four people named Everybody, Somebody, Anybody, and Nobody.
There was an important job to be done and Everybody was sure that Somebody would do it.
Anybody could have done it, but Nobody did it.
Somebody got angry about that because it was Everybody's job.
Everybody thought that Anybody could do it, but Nobody realized that Everybody wouldn't do it.
It ended up that Everybody blamed Somebody when Nobody did what Anybody could have done.
 
   
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Chicago, Illinois

Are Guardian squads with Bright lances worth it? point wise they seem expensive. I dunno yet though what I am going to play although Jetbikes for my troops are something I wan to try.

I usually start off with a "core" army and build that compliments that.

Currently the core consists of
Farseer ( fortune , jetbike, etc.. stuff)
Autarch of whupass 165
6 Man Jetbike Squad w/ 2 Shuriken cannons ; Warlock w/ Avenger ; witchblade @ 200

6 Man Jetbike Squad w/ 2 Shuriken cannons ; Warlock w/ Avenger; witchblade @ 200

4 Man Jetbike w/ Shurican , Warlock w/ conceal
(Autarch and Farseer escort)



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Guardian Squads with Bright Lances used to be great. But, the cover system in 5th kind of makes it not worth it. The best two at the moment are the Scatter Laser and the Eldar Missile Launcher.

   
 
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