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BlueDagger wrote:Huh your right I'll be darned. Always thought it said that the warlocks were taken as a bodyguard unit.

I wish. That damned Emperor's champion has killed my Farseer quite often.

Link to first of some playtest games.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/268026.page

Probably a very nasty list, I sure as hell wouldn't like to face it in a tournament.

The problem I see with this list, is that is must be incredibly boring to play against, and slightly less boring to play with. Super-unit lists just don't have a lasting apeal (at least to me) In a friendly setting, I would probably only play against this list once

I see a problem with anti tank. Maybe add some singing spears.

Oh...here we go again with the spears... lol.

I feel all that was said already is enough. What Old Smurf needs to do is just get more games and a better 'feel' for his list.

I'm sure it will have its ups and downs. Though I know that list won't win any tournies in my area... just cause soft scores are pretty much anti-these kinds of lists...so I'm sure he's happy to not play in my area.

don't get me wrong, maybe 1 or 2 on locks that don't have destructor. Otherwise that predator or that landraider are just going to shoot him up. I think it's a viable option but hey, if I am wrong then so be it. I have never tried making a list like this ever since they took out the saim hann character.

they need the extra attacks in hand to hand from witchblades.

Yes, but if you give 1 lock in each squad a spear, then you only lose what is it, 2 attacks? I think the benefit of having at least 1 spear in a squad outweighs those 2 attacks. Also, I know they are going to be guided. The only thing that doesn't help is that the squad has to attack the tank if they don't pop it, but if they do they attack what's inside.

My issue with spears in this thread is that we've gone over it, and the OP doesn't want them.

So...blah...

Ok, then the op is gonna get tanked because every army uses tanks. It's become a mech world. As I have seen someone say already in this thread, the person just needs to learn, find out for themselves.

If the person doesn't want spears, the only other thing I can really see that sticks with the saim hann fluff would be some vypers or tanks of some sort, otherwise his units aren't going to do anything against tanks or transports.

Yeah, 2 units with 33 S9 attacks is a bit weak

yea, even if a raider moves fast, they are still going to score 4 hits, probably a pen and a glance, and will probably immobilize it at least. then it can't move next turn, they all auto hit at the end of the turn, and poof, its fuxed.

The Bloody Handed God wrote:Ok, then the op is gonna get tanked because every army uses tanks. It's become a mech world. As I have seen someone say already in this thread, the person just needs to learn, find out for themselves.

If the person doesn't want spears, the only other thing I can really see that sticks with the saim hann fluff would be some vypers or tanks of some sort, otherwise his units aren't going to do anything against tanks or transports.

The only problem with tanks of any kind is if there is a squad of worth coming out after it is destroyed.

One spear isn't reliable enough to merit inclusion. I understand what they do and why you guys want them included. Where do I draw line? I need the attacks in HtH to finish unit off quickly.

Farseer powers are Fortune and Mindwar. So Guide on spears of any number won't happen, unfortunately.

I have played double council before, just not at 1850. Squeezing 2 fully loaded councils in list doesn't leave much room for anything else. Again, I'm not trying to say this is the end all and be all of Eldar. I'm trying to see if this certain army can function with the low troop count. I could see the x2 Avenger in Wave Serpent being more reliable.

There is all this talk of soft comp scores and what not. That in itself leads to imbalance. My opinion, is if it is in army codex, then it's legal and playable.

dont warlocks have to take a phycic power and imo i take fortune and doom with my seer council

Warlocks don't have to take power.

I normally use Doom and Fortune. Using Mind War to clear Ork Painboyz and SM special weapons.

No offense to all those, but...it's been a long time since I've seen so many people make this number of mistakes about Eldar rules in one thread...

It sort of makes my day

Sanctjud wrote:No offense to all those, but...it's been a long time since I've seen so many people make this number of mistakes about Eldar rules in one thread...

It sort of makes my day

????

spears -> ignore armor.
locks -> must purchase powers.
seers+council -> is a retinue.

These mistakes I see many times, but not all in the same thread.

Fair enough

I won another game, against the Crimson Fists.

Would do a battle report, but he was just playing to kill councils. He lost track of mission, spread his forces too thin, and wouuld have been tabled if not for mercy of game ending on turn 5.

Councils just draw attention away from bikes and get players all flustered.