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I was really let down. I expected more and was really excited, but I thought there was just too much unbelievabe (and what I thought) were stupid parts.
I absolutely loved the Warthogs though! They rock!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The first two movies were the brain child of a really gifted director who had a particular vision for his movie. While the premise was fantastical, everything made sense in the context of that premise, and the plot moved quickly.
But instead of James Cameron at the helm of Salvation, we get McG. Even worse, we get McG directing a film he isn't particularly in control of, as all kinds of people are arguing about the tone and pacing of the film, and there are constant re-writes of the script during shooting. The result was a really, really dumb movie.
Skynet's master plan involved two elaborate double bluffs of considerable sophistication in order to trap John Connor and the leadership of the resistance. The final stage of this plan involved telling the robot you'd programmed to be human all about the plan and being surprised when he decided to keep acting like the human you'd programmed him to be. Meanwhile, once the elaborate bluff was complete and you'd lured John Connor into your base... you then sent a single robot to kill him. You're in a robot factory - surely you've got a couple of extra robots somewhere?
If you're a ruthless killing machine and you've got your superhuman grip around the one man that will bring down Skynet - you can pop his head like a grape or you can thrown him against a wall. Apparently they're machines of ruthless efficiency unless there's a chance to audition for the WWF.
If you can build a robot/motorbike thing that can go unbelievably fast while dodging wreckage on the freeway, surely you can give it a gun that hits stuff?
You can jump out of a helicopter and swim down to a nuclear submarine without any diving gear at all.
Open heart surgery can be performed in a tent.
50 foot tall robots can sneak up on you.
There are humans that will commit treason against the human race on behald of a robot they just met that seemed nice. Actually, there's two of them and one is the leader of the resistance.
Terminators have unstable powercells that can cause massive explosions - why couldn't any of the Terminators in the earlier films just explode when they saw Sara or John Conner?
If you were an executed criminals who suddenly woke up a decade into the future in the middle of a war between man and highly advanced robots, wouldn't you suspect it possible that you might have been rebuilt as a robot? Should you at least tell somebody about your very strange origins?
If you were an executed criminals who suddenly woke up a decade into the future in the middle of a war between man and highly advanced robots, would you really decide to risk your life to save the guy you met yesterday that you didn't get along with very well?
Skynet can fill a lake with robot watersnakes, it had no idea the resistance HQ was so close, so presumably it had the resources to fill every lake with loads of robot watersnakes. But these robot watersnakes can't be used to locate the nuclear sub that houses the core of the resistance leadership.
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“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
Im planning on buying the DVD no matter what because me and my mom loves Terminator 1,2,3.
However just out of curiosity , is T4 worthy of the epic ending of Terminator 3? ( not saying T3 was good , but the ending was beautiful ) Assuming its continuing from that.
Luna, I hate to say it but T4 was in no way epic. Other then the explosions. All... I think about seventy five, that I counted. This was a movie where we used special effects and big explosions to distract people from the total lack of anything else.
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BaronIveagh wrote:Luna, I hate to say it but T4 was in no way epic. Other then the explosions. All... I think about seventy five, that I counted. This was a movie where we used special effects and big explosions to distract people from the total lack of anything else.
Hmm... is this the absolutely last of the the Terminator series?
LunaHound wrote:o...k... im not sure if this is a serious answer or not ,
anyone else know?
Wiki 4TW:
'While Terminator Salvation was initially planned to introduce a new trilogy, production of a fifth film has been halted by legal trouble, as well as Production Company Halcyon filing for Chapter 11 Bankruptcy protection.[6] While some anonymous sources [7] insist that Terminator 5 will be moving forward the majority of analysts predict that its future is in jeopardy.[8][9] In late September 2009 it was announced that the rights for the franchise are once again up for sale as the Halcyon Company tries to pull itself out of bankruptcy.[10] In late October of 2009, Halcyon announced it would auction off the rights to future Terminator material and is seeking $60-70 million, though thus far the only offer has been significantly less at $10,000 by director Joss Whedon. [11][12] In December 2009 Halcyon issued a statment that they are looking at various options including sale and refinancing of the rights with an announcement on the outcome no later than February 1st 2010. [13]"
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LunaHound wrote:o...k... im not sure if this is a serious answer or not ,
anyone else know?
Wiki 4TW:
'While Terminator Salvation was initially planned to introduce a new trilogy, production of a fifth film has been halted by legal trouble, as well as Production Company Halcyon filing for Chapter 11 Bankruptcy protection.[6] While some anonymous sources [7] insist that Terminator 5 will be moving forward the majority of analysts predict that its future is in jeopardy.[8][9] In late September 2009 it was announced that the rights for the franchise are once again up for sale as the Halcyon Company tries to pull itself out of bankruptcy.[10] In late October of 2009, Halcyon announced it would auction off the rights to future Terminator material and is seeking $60-70 million, though thus far the only offer has been significantly less at $10,000 by director Joss Whedon. [11][12] In December 2009 Halcyon issued a statment that they are looking at various options including sale and refinancing of the rights with an announcement on the outcome no later than February 1st 2010. [13]"
Does that mean in the worst situation it'll be made by some other company?
but the Terminator movie concept will continue right?
LunaHound wrote:Does that mean in the worst situation it'll be made by some other company? but the Terminator movie concept will continue right?
Worst case scenario: No one makes what the owning company considers a "reasonable bid"(Sorry Whedon, but $10k just won't cut it as a serious counter offer on something being offered for millions) and the franchise dies with the company.
However, I don't see some company in Hollywood NOT buying it eventually, as it's one of those franchises with a built-in fan base.
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LunaHound wrote:Does that mean in the worst situation it'll be made by some other company?
but the Terminator movie concept will continue right?
No, it means that the company with grand plans to make a trilogy is unlikely to be able to. The rest of the industry has shown lukewarm at best, which is understandable given the modest box office return and poor fan feedback of Salvation.
And no, it wasn't much of a follow up to T3. While T3 had a lot of faults, like you pointed the ending set up the coming war really well. Whereas this film was a really dull story, full of a whole lot of stupid.
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Platuan4th wrote:Worst case scenario: No one makes what the owning company considers a "reasonable bid"(Sorry Whedon, but $10k just won't cut it as a serious counter offer on something being offered for millions) and the franchise dies with the company.
However, I don't see some company in Hollywood NOT buying it eventually, as it's one of those franchises with a built-in fan base.
Umm, Whedon's offer was a joke bid, pointing out how much the franchise had been devalued.
And yeah, there's still money in the franchise as merchandising is worth so much money these days. Whether that justifies another movie somewhere down the track is unknown. The Alien series also had two excellent films followed by two mediocre ones, but hung around with comics, computer games and toys, before finally returning to the screen in the AVP films (which were worse than mediocre, but the point still stands).
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“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
LunaHound wrote:Sigh , sort of depressed now as im a fan of Terminators :/
but the devalue is because how T3 and T4 was such a let down right?
not the concept of Terminator is bad?
No, the Terminator concept is still really solid. 'Robots from the future are trying to kill us' will never go out of style
The damage to the franchise comes from the crappiness of the last two movies (which were not only bad movies, but failed to add anything new to the universe) and the aborted TV series (having the television show develop its own continuity seperate from the movies begins to feel like multiple franchises feeding off of two popular movies).
“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
This is what i wanted T4 to be like when i first watched T3 in theaters :
I guess which ever makes this into movie first will win ( New Matrix perhaps or New Terminators )
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sebster wrote:
Terminators have unstable powercells that can cause massive explosions - why couldn't any of the Terminators in the earlier films just explode when they saw Sara or John Conner?
This is the only point I don't necessarily agree with. I would assume that making yourself explode is too risky as they need to ensure that they died.
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reds8n wrote:I couldn't help but think that the ultimate killing machine terminators would have been a lot better punching or strangling or maybe stabbing or shooting their victims rather than the less than effective pick them up and throw them technique.
Let's face it, that's nothing new in Action movies. If the villain did the intelligent thing most action movies would be five minutes long.
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After reading all of this, I feel like renting it for the lulz...and Mr. Bale with is Batman voice...oh the lolcakes. Nom Nom Nom.
So.... the Sarah Cronicles is most likely over right? Due to low viewership or something...fizzle and popped...
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It ended up that Everybody blamed Somebody when Nobody did what Anybody could have done.
I wonder how it would have been received if they had left the script alone. It is an ok action movie but doesn't live up to the standards set by the Cameron films. It drags in places but there are a few decent action sequences as well.
A good article but probably best avoided until after you have seen the movie.
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Dorns Fist wrote:I was really let down. I expected more and was really excited, but I thought there was just too much unbelievabe (and what I thought) were stupid parts.
I absolutely loved the Warthogs though! They rock!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I am responding to this, because it’s possibly the only time I’ll ever agree with Dorn’s Fist.
A-10s are awesome, and I too loved to see them in the movie.
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Sanctjud wrote:After reading all of this, I feel like renting it for the lulz...and Mr. Bale with is Batman voice...oh the lolcakes. Nom Nom Nom.
So.... the Sarah Cronicles is most likely over right? Due to low viewership or something...fizzle and popped...
Yeah. Executive Meddling strikes again more then loss of viewers. Fox. Where Science Fiction goes to die.
Though It's still not the Epic Fail of MST3K being cancelled by Sci-Fi. "You're our highest rated, most watched show and we're canceling you in favor of more crappy 'original' movies!"
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Exactly.
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Mannahnin wrote:I enjoyed it. It was a pretty good action movie. I definitely liked the references to the earlier movies. Those have been great in a number of newer “geek” movies lately. The most recent Hulk one, for example, had excellent references both to the comic and the TV show.
As far as being negative, I was pretty let down. I felt that the story was less plausible and the writing noticeably worse than T1 and T2, which are real sci-fi classics. The whole final conflict really seemed underwhelming and too small in scale. And the concept of John going and doing what he did how he did seemed moronic. The great thing about T1 and T2 is, while we get to enjoy s**t blowing up and Arnold’s classic cheesy lines, the storylines and character actions MAKE SENSE. They actually have a brain in addition to explosions and one-liners. Salvation was not up to their standard, IMO.
In addition, I was really psyched right from the first trailers, as visually I think it looked excellent, and Christian Bale is usually great. So my expectations were quite high- kind of expecting T1 or T2 with modern FX, a real lead actor who can act, and getting the full-blown vision of the future we got glimpses of in the first two. Sadly the writing wasn’t there, the world was implausible, and Bale kind of phoned-in his performance. The most disappointing work I’ve ever seen from him. So it was a significant let down from my sky-high hopes.
Couldn't of said it better.
Dorns Fist wrote:I absolutely loved the Warthogs though! They rock!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AGREED!!!
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mattyboy22 wrote:This is the only point I don't necessarily agree with. I would assume that making yourself explode is too risky as they need to ensure that they died.
In the first movie, when the Terminator is crippled and crawling along in the factory, why not just explode?
But that ones probably more a nitpick, to be honest it didn't even occur to me until a friend asked about it afterwards. Most of the others were the kind of dumb you can't ignore in the middle of a film.
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“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
Ahtman wrote:I wonder how it would have been received if they had left the script alone. It is an ok action movie but doesn't live up to the standards set by the Cameron films. It drags in places but there are a few decent action sequences as well.
A good article but probably best avoided until after you have seen the movie.
Excellent article, thanks for that. I had heard about some of the stupid of the original script, but had no idea it was that stupid.
Just chalk the whole thing up to committing to production before a satisfactory script was produced, then trying to fix it as they went. Sometimes they get away with it, sometimes not.
“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
Mannahnin wrote:I enjoyed it. It was a pretty good action movie. I definitely liked the references to the earlier movies. Those have been great in a number of newer “geek” movies lately. The most recent Hulk one, for example, had excellent references both to the comic and the TV show.
As far as being negative, I was pretty let down. I felt that the story was less plausible and the writing noticeably worse than T1 and T2, which are real sci-fi classics. The whole final conflict really seemed underwhelming and too small in scale. And the concept of John going and doing what he did how he did seemed moronic. The great thing about T1 and T2 is, while we get to enjoy s**t blowing up and Arnold’s classic cheesy lines, the storylines and character actions MAKE SENSE. They actually have a brain in addition to explosions and one-liners. Salvation was not up to their standard, IMO.
In addition, I was really psyched right from the first trailers, as visually I think it looked excellent, and Christian Bale is usually great. So my expectations were quite high- kind of expecting T1 or T2 with modern FX, a real lead actor who can act, and getting the full-blown vision of the future we got glimpses of in the first two. Sadly the writing wasn’t there, the world was implausible, and Bale kind of phoned-in his performance. The most disappointing work I’ve ever seen from him. So it was a significant let down from my sky-high hopes.
Couldn't of said it better.
Dorns Fist wrote:I absolutely loved the Warthogs though! They rock!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AGREED!!!
Mayhaps that wasit. I had heard bad things and went into it with low expectations. on the basis of pure action, watching necron like robots, and likes of kudoes to TI and TII, I liked it. Still kicked the crap out of Transformers II.
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
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