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Emperors Faithful wrote:In the grimdarkness of the far future, the Jerk carries the heavy bolter. I wouldn't call him that to his face.

Besides, how so is Avitus a jerkkkkk..k?

He told the jump back guy " we are angels of death not angels of mercy"
then the jump pack guy said " wth does that even mean"

or something -_-

Empire forever!! Chaos be damned!! (It already is, but not everyone will accept that until you show them your bolt pistol in their face.)

@Luna: What would you have them do? Kiss the civilians boo-boos better? They were there to kill the enemy and move on, every second they wasted at one spot meant that thousands of lives were lost elsewhere.

@Fallanir: Ah, you are starting to see the light! Now if only you could drop these heretical notions of xenos love...

Platuan4th wrote:

Orkeosaurus wrote:Tau don't hate Chaos, they don't really know anything about it. They do hate the Imperium, as do the Eldar.

The Tau don't hate the Imperium.

"Strongly dislike", then.

Obviously they wouldn't care about them if they weren't in conflict with each other, but they are, because the Imperium doesn't want to submit to "The Greater Good" and the Tau don't want to be exterminated. They hate the Imperium as much as they hate anyone else.

I would love to see that battle on the table top. Imagine the size of the battle board oh and the points. and the length.

There was a earlier discussion on this and someone made a good point on why an allience could never happen.

Basically, for the most part, it isn't in their best interests.

The Tau:
From the Tau culteral perspective, they gain little from an alliance with the imperium. Their modus operandi is expansion, and currently they are doing a good job expanding into the imperium by getting podunk worlds to join the "greater good". If they had an allience they could no longer add imperial worlds to their empire, and may have to give some they currently have back. Plus, they are so tiny, the imperium defends them from alot just in protecting their own worlds.

I'm sure they wouldn't mind an alliance with the Eldar though, but that isn't going to happen because...

The Eldar:

They get NOTHING from an alliance with the primitive little blueberries. Remember, the Tau are a TINY little empire. Their technology is primitive compared to the Eldars. Plus, the farseers manipulate the Tau into doing what they want without an alliance. So, no alliance there.

The Imperium: again, not interested in their technology, and they do a very good job getting the imperium to fight their battles without having to deal with an allience. Not going to happen.

They are dying and concerned with surviving. They will not go and die for somebody else, and no one else can offer them any technology.

Finally, due to the Eldar mindset, alliances are doomed anyways. Sure you might manipulate monkeys into solving the termite problem in your forest (or the killer banana problem in your forest), but allying with them? You don't ally with monkeys silly. Just like you don't ally with horses or dogs or tigers. You may find a use for them, but an alliance?

The Imperium:

First of all, the xenophobia of the imperium is not just due to dogma, superstition, or chance. When things started falling apart at the end of the dark age of technology, all of humanities "allies" turned on them like vultures. Their automatic xenophobic hatred of anything not human was learned over the course of thousands of years of alien predations. It has been VERY deeply ingrained into the human culture, and isn't changing any time soon. Now from a more logical perspective:

What do they get from an alliance with the Eldar? Well they wouldn't use their technology, so that is out. And defense wise it is also a no go. The Eldar presence in the galaxy is miniscule compared to the imperiums. A few scattered craftworlds are not going to make a big dent in humanities battle over a million of worlds. And there is no way an Eldar would put his/her life on the line for a human anyways.

The Tau: Technologically...well nothing is happening there. First of all their culture would not allow them to use Tau tech, and secondly, Tau tech is arguably inferior to Imperial (I know I'm going to get flamed for that one). The Ad-Mech HAS more advanced tech than the Tau, they just refuse to distribute it to the hands of laymen.

But beyond that an alliance with the Tau offers NO military benefit. The Imperium consists of over one million worlds, the Tau a few dozen. What could the Tau possibly offer the Imperium in an alliace? The Tau continue to exist only because the Imperium has bigger fish to fry. Their one of my favorite races, but the Imperium is in a whole different league.


The three are just to incompatible. All of their goals conflict with each other.

No one in 40k really is good...

Imperium:Racsist, Facist, Genocidal Religous nuts.
Tau: Pretty much the same.
Eldar:Race that will do ANYTHING to survive.

....

ZacktheChaosChild wrote:
Eldar:Race that will do ANYTHING to survive.

....

Awwww yea.

Dark Eldar : A race that will do ANYTHING to survive... or pretty much whenever they feel like it.

There is no love in GRIMDARK!


All alliances in 40k go sour.

ZacktheChaosChild wrote:No one in 40k really is good...

Imperium: Pure, Strong, Formidable Pios defenders of humanity.
Tau: Blueberrie communists who treat all other races as second-class citizens on thier own worlds.
Eldar:Race that will do ANYTHING to survive.

....

Fixed it.

now, we all know that an alliance with the eldar and tau would go wonderfully for the Imperium so long as we have 2 specific commanders for the imperial forces. First, we'd need that Capt. from the Extra Heretical "Blood Ravens Trilogy" of books... the eldar lover. and CREEEEEEEED!!!!

here's how it works. Blood Ravens captain "allies" with the eldar, Creed "works" with the Tau and eldar, and at the most opportune time his TACTICAL GENIUS!!!! takes over, and the Imperium wins out again... 2 birds with one stone, so to speak.

Emperors Faithful wrote:

ZacktheChaosChild wrote:No one in 40k really is good...

Imperium: Space Nazis
Tau: Space Communists
Eldar:Race that will do ANYTHING to survive.
....

Fixed it.

Abridged it

CountCross wrote:

Emperors Faithful wrote:

ZacktheChaosChild wrote:No one in 40k really is good...

Imperium: Good
Tau: Bad
Eldar: EXTRA Bad.
....

Fixed it.

Abridged it

There we go, that should do it.

Emperors Faithful wrote:

CountCross wrote:

Emperors Faithful wrote:

ZacktheChaosChild wrote:No one in 40k really is good...

Imperium: Narcissistic Space Nazis
Tau: Just as narcissistic Space Communists
Eldar: Ultra super narcissitic Space Skittles that need to die
....

Fixed it.

Abridged it

There we go, that should do it.

There we go

ZacktheChaosChild wrote:No one in 40k really is good...

Imperium: As good as you are going to get realistacaily with all the Grimdarkness.
Tau: Narcissistic Space Communists.
Eldar: Ultra super narcissitic Space Skittles that need to die. And most likely Gay. (there's a reason why they're dying out.
....

Does that settle it?

Emperors Faithful wrote:

ZacktheChaosChild wrote:No one in 40k really is good...

Imperium: Very nice Narcissistic Spess Natzeez
Tau: Narcissistic Space Communists.
Eldar: Ultra super narcissitic Space Skittles that need to die. And most likely Gay. (there's a reason why they're dying out.
....

Does that settle it?

There we go

CountCross wrote:

Emperors Faithful wrote:

ZacktheChaosChild wrote:No one in 40k really is good...

Imperium: Very nice Spess Peoplez
Tau: Narcissistic Space Communists.
Eldar: Ultra super narcissitic Space Skittles that need to die. And most likely Gay. (there's a reason why they're dying out.
....

Does that settle it?

There we go

Nah, nah, nah, mate. THERE we go!

Alright then, this ends now.

Imperial Gaurd= Hard working men and women protecting their worlds from invasion.
Ultrmarines= Friggin brown nosers
Black Templar= Awesome in black armour
Dark Angels= Awesome in green armour
Space Wolves= Awesome in... Baby blue armour...
All other SM chapters= Awesome in whatever colour they are
Inquisition=Narcissistic Space Nazis

Tau: Narcissistic Space Communists.
Eldar: Ultra super narcissitic Space Skittles that need to die. And most likely Gay. (Don'y have much of a choice they're only female eldar. )

CountCross wrote:
Inquisition=Narcissistic Space Nazis

Heresy!

CountCross wrote:Alright then, this ends now.

Imperial Gaurd= Hard working men and women protecting their worlds from invasion.
Ultrmarines= Friggin brown nosers, but in a nice way.
Black Templar= Awesome in black armour
Dark Angels= Awesome in green armour
Space Wolves= Awesome in... Baby blue armour... Who drink a lot.
All other SM chapters= Awesome in whatever colour they are
Inquisition=Neccessary Evil.

Tau: Narcissistic Space Communists.
Eldar: Ultra super narcissitic Space Skittles that need to die. And most likely Gay. (Don'y have much of a choice they're only female eldar. ) Um, so you're saying that Eldar are gay becuase they're all chicks?
1) The Imperium would never want to kill a race entirely comprised of lesbians (that's way too hot)
2) The Imperium wouldn't need to.
3) There are chicks AND guy eldar, so your theory is fail.

I could do this all day.

Even IF an alliance could be made chaos cant be beaten since the very races that battle it also spawn it.
To defeat chaos the whole races minds would need to be altered so that they dont use any negative emotions.
In other words, humans would need to be changed to become inhuman in order to defeat chaos.

Pyriel- wrote:Even IF an alliance could be made chaos cant be beaten since the very races that battle it also spawn it.
To defeat chaos the whole races minds would need to be altered so that they dont use any negative emotions.
In other words, humans would need to be changed to become inhuman in order to defeat chaos.

you mean, like the space marines??

LunaHound wrote:Aha but you see EF , thats what makes Imperium evil!
the commissar has it right!

Emperors Faithful wrote:

CountCross wrote:Alright then, this ends now.

Imperial Gaurd= Hard working men and women protecting their worlds from invasion.
Ultrmarines= Friggin brown nosers, but in a nice way.
Black Templar= Awesome in black armour
Dark Angels= Awesome in green armour
Space Wolves= Awesome in... Baby blue armour... Who drink a lot.
All other SM chapters= Awesome in whatever colour they are
Inquisition=Neccessary Evil that are still narcissistic space nazis.

Tau: Narcissistic Space Communists.
Eldar: Ultra super narcissitic Space Skittles that need to die. And most likely Gay. (Don'y have much of a choice they're only female eldar. ) Um, so you're saying that Eldar are gay becuase they're all chicks?
1) The Imperium would never want to kill a race entirely comprised of lesbians (that's way too hot)
2) The Imperium wouldn't need to.
3) There are chicks AND guy eldar, so your theory is fail.

I could do this all day.

I was just pointing out that the Eldar are not the most masculine race, though in your defence internet sarcasm isn't always obvious.

The Inquisition are still space nazis, but I agree with you on them being a necessary evil.

And your lusting after a xeno race that is made out of lesbians... Well, let's just say that your necessary evil will fix you up. It is for your own good.

I wasn't lusting! I was...studying...the xenos. The more we know about them the better. Particularily thier breeding patterns.

It's all part of our cunning plan, y'see?

Indeed, but you would do well to know your place, and remember chaos is not the only visible taint. Chaos worship gives you tentacles and xeno porn gets you hairy palms.

Oh my gosh!!! This is getting really funny!!!
And my point was, Emperors Faithful, that if we can get Eldar and Tau to fight for us, there's that much less fighting we have to do. And they will kill more of our enemies for us. We could utilize thier forces to take out the real tough guys like Necrons and Chaos.

CountCross wrote:Indeed, but you would do well to know your place, and remember chaos is not the only visible taint. Chaos worship gives you tentacles and xeno porn gets you hairy palms.

And Slaneesh chaos porn gets you both!

DerangdFlamingo wrote:

CountCross wrote:Indeed, but you would do well to know your place, and remember chaos is not the only visible taint. Chaos worship gives you tentacles and xeno porn gets you hairy palms.

And Slaneesh chaos porn gets you both!

True, true... So chaos and porn are the two deadliest things in the 41st millenium.

If I had to choose, I'd take the xenos porn.

And not just normal xenos porn. I'm talking the extra-heretical kind.