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Bait??

im sure that some Chaos god or other has something that Nids, or necrons just cannot resist.... basically Catnip for Nids

the dark eldar would be much easier... just tell them that theyd get to finally rid themselves of their "good" kin, and turn the eldar race fully to their ideals.

Necrons have no needs or desires other than the eradication of life in the galaxy. Bait for the nids though is a good idea, But the tau could also use such a tactic to their advantage, making the use of tyranids, who are basically animals, neutral. As for the Eldar i know next to nothing about them so if what you say is possible, so be it.

I wouldn't call that an Alliance. It seems more like fething the other race over like the Eldar do to the Imperium. Constantly.

Okay, maybe Necrons and 'Nids are out. But Orks and CSM could probably work together (at least, for a short amount of time). Daemons would follow the CSM's, and if it was Emperor's children I can expect Dark Eldar helping out the ride-for their own ends, of coure .

Orks would "work" with csm, but as soon as the fighting starts the otks will attack anything and everything. Then again the allience would most likley give the orks a bunch of new toys to ork up and stick them in strategic points so they won't have to be on the field together.

The only reason orks can even work Any with eachother is because if the WAAAGH!!! Any "allience" could never be anything more than short term. They don't care about winning, they don't care about territory, only fighting, unorky things first, then everything else.

Chaos, due to its very nature, is incapable of long term alliances. In general because, well, their nature is chaos, some sort of change is necessary for all of them. In specific:
Slaaneshi are too selfish
Khornites wat to fight everyone, including themselves
Tzenech wants change, period, and would only be manipulating people in the first place. Alliences are not his thing
And nerglings...Well they are the closes, but I don't think anyone could ally with them, as by their nature, they want everything to stagnate and fall apart. That is not a useful alliance.

Obviously necrons can't ally.

Probably not the tyranids, though If we find out their overminds are especially smart and they met a strong enough foe...maybe? From the information we have right now it doesn't look likely, but we really don't know much about them.

Cheese Elemental wrote:Not all Imperials are evil. The average Guardsman just believes what he's told and there are notable Space Marine individuals/chapters who value the lives of civilians and aren't afraid to fight alongside xenos (such as Space Wolves, Ultramarines, Salamanders and Blood Ravens).

You forget Raven Guard as in the codex it says how Shrike goes where he is most needed by people abandoned by the imperium and ignores requests from lazy planetary governors.

Platuan4th wrote:

Orkeosaurus wrote:Tau don't hate Chaos, they don't really know anything about it. They do hate the Imperium, as do the Eldar.

The Tau don't hate the Imperium. They just don't understand why they're so against the existence of other races.

If they did ever start hating them, though, it's because the Elda... Ethereals told them to.

It's all about the "Greater Good" with the Tau they don't understand why humans won't accept it.

Fallanir wrote: After constantly reading about how powerful and enduring evil forces like Chaos, Necrons, Tyrannids, and Orks are supposed to be, I'd really like to see GW come out with an alliance between Eldar, Tau, and Empire. I mean, all three hate Chaos and struggle against it. They all fight Necrons and Tyrannids and Orks. And they're all supposed to be "good". It would be really fulfilling to see these races team up to fight and destroy evil once and for all instead of constantly fighting among themselves and weakening the good forces in the galaxy. Plus, I really like all three, and I think that their armies would work well together in combat to negate each other's weaknesses and bolster each other's strengths.

In fairness; I think this idea can be summed up by me quickly and simply paraphrasing a story from the SW dex.

Great Company on a planet. Great company kicking ass. More bad guys come along, and the eldar give the great company a hand. The Autarch comes to a parlay with the Wolf Lord, to arrange for the dead wolves to be honoured. Minor mistranslation turns into royal killingfest.


Thats why an alliance between the Imperials and Eldar would never really happen apart from when necessity forces them to work together, for example, both are stranded on a planet about to be attacked by nids (hur hur ). For them to feasibly bother with an alliance would mean 1) The Eldar thinking that the younger races can do things right and 2) The imperium of man to have a large propotion of xenophobic nutjobs.

As for the Tau, well, Damocles gulf anyone? IIRC the only reason that the imperium had a peace with the tau after that was because Abaddon decided to go on a drinking tour of Cadia and th erest of the imperium, and hes a mean drunk. An Alliance there is again just pushing the boat out too far considering the 2 sides involved.

Besides, working together wouldnt be GRIMDARK, and we all know what GW thinks of that now....

Of course, the definition of alliance is not as clear as one might think.

"The Enemy of my Enemy is my Friend."

But what happens when you're done killing that first enemy of yours...?

I just noticed something in this thread.




If you look at it from a distance those Tau have party hats.

...XD

Too bad they're all filthy xenos...

Emperors Faithful wrote:Of course, the definition of alliance is not as clear as one might think.

"The Enemy of my Enemy is my Friend."

But what happens when you're done killing that first enemy of yours...?

Which is why, for the Imperium has this as its motto

"The enemy of my enemy is a problem for later; but in the meantime might help absorb some casualties"

No. That's Eldar.

This is Imperium.

"The Enemy of my Enemy is, in all likelihood, also my enemy. I've got plenty of fight to go around, so come get some!"

To paraphrase Penny Arcade: "In this setting, the enemy of your enemy is still a floating, greasy, armored brain. And his enemy is a mechanical horror in an undying battle shell. He sails from world to world in a flying tomb, serving gods who eat hope."

There we go.

Or the empiriem could get it's s t together and and make more spess mahreenz, a lot more spess mahrenz, and simply overwhelm their enemies in a tide of awesome bad assery.

Honestly? I think we're doing quite well. Better than that little empire of short people that were eaten by the 'Nids...

The Imperium hating indiscrimantly for 10,000 years thats probly why it wouldnt work, and didnt someone mention HERESY!

Why would orks be evil they want to have fun and blow stuff up i would say they are neutrally bad!

All races can be viewed as good or bad depending on perspective.

Eldar for example, compared to Dark eldar, are very very good.
But in the fluff Eldar have allied with say, the imperium before, overcome a threat, then turned on the imperium. Very very bad (or good? hmm)

Chaos? (Apart from a chaos point of view)
Necrons?
Nids? (Well, they're just hungry)
Dark Eldar (saving thier own skins)

Surely these are to be considered evil?

hurr....

dorkofallorks wrote:Why would orks be evil they want to have fun and blow stuff up i would say they are neutrally bad!

I agree that orks aren't intrinsically evil, and I'm sure lots of us can sympathize with them--we all like big, loud, powerful guns, we like to blow stuff up, we like to burn stuff, we like to drive fast and recklessly. However, they do pose a threat to the Imperium, so they need to be exterminated.

Whilst we sometimes see small scale alliance of convenience the 40k universe is too fractious to have any race-wide meaningful alliances on a galactic level. The tau believe they are the only true and right force for good in the universe, The orks fight for fightings sake, the eldar are still reeling from the cataclysm that nearly wiped them out, dark eldar hate everything ( including themselves ). And various other minor races are out for themselves alone. Whilst the hardliner imperium forces believe the galaxy is for mankind alone whilst you have constant contention with forward thinkers trying to dispel this notion.

In short its an idealistic approach that would likely not work work out even if a glimmer of it starting seemed possible.

Wasn't the whole Eye of Terror campaign a few years back based on the whole idea of the Imperium + Eldar coming together against the Dark Eldar, Orks, Nids, Crons, and Chaos?

Meanwhile, the Tau just snuck a few worlds from the Imperium's cookie jar.

I think the most dangerous threats to the mankind in the 40k universe
are Nids and Orks rather than the ancient Chaos Legions.

orchewer wrote:Wasn't the whole Eye of Terror campaign a few years back based on the whole idea of the Imperium + Eldar coming together against the Dark Eldar, Orks, Nids, Crons, and Chaos?

Meanwhile, the Tau just snuck a few worlds from the Imperium's cookie jar.

Well,for simplicities sake GW divided races into two catagories,( forces of Order and forces of Chaos).
However,certian races on the "disorder" side could only post victories in certian sections of the galaxy,so fluffwise it wasn't so much an "alligence" as it was races taking advantage of the Imperium being over whelmed.
Also,certian key worlds?objectives were in play,Cadia obviously,along with key Eldar objectives,so even the forces of Order were not so much "united" as they were oppertunistic (as the Tau did little more than expand their empire).
On the disorder side,many Ork players(myself included) opted not to ally with Chaos and instead spent the entire campain attacking the Scarus sector under the banner of "The Green Kroozade",at the end of the campain the Orkz had all but taken the entire system,good times.


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OT, Chaos can never be "wiped out"...so long as humanity exist the seed of Chaos exist.

It's like wipeing out "sin"..it can't be done.