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Umm, I'm horrified. I think I'll stick with Forgeworld Battlesuits.

I'd recommend curling the left forearm and fist down, towards the body. Right now the top pose screams "mincing" more than charging.

The guns are fantastic, and overall I like the weight a lot. Adding vertical creases would help alleviate the bulbous appearance of the model, Right now it's a bit too "Michelin Man". more vertical lines (which are slimming, doncha know ) will emphasize the dynamic positioning.

Malfred, that's exactly the model I thought of when I saw this model.

Whilst the look of the thing isn't exactly to my taste, I'm really impressed with the way it can be put together in quite dynamic, striking poses.

Looks like it could be fun to play with.

I actually like the model, especially the head. While I see what others mean by a small groin, I think that could be solved by just changing the torso. The groin is only noticeable because this model's stomach appears to be held out in front of it. While I do appreciate that this would be more technically sound than some of the other models I've seen, you should also remember that 40k doesn't really have a lot to it that could stand up to technical scrutiny.

well i love this model tbh i remembered it literally earlier today (whilst looking for a gundam model to try and buy and paint) and though "hmm i wonder what became of it?" i think that the the thighs are a bit podgy, but tbh if you lifted the body slightly higher, it wouldnt make it look so squat. i love this model, and i will buy one. btw that gn its holding? can you make it hold it with both arms. like a normal guy? cos that would look imba. btw dont knock the head, it looks cool overall id say 8/10 easily

I kind of like it but it does need extra wiring or some other link between the torso and bottom half or something. Just to make it more ... you know?

LunaHound wrote:
( are you looking for something as Tau Titan? )

No, I just like the design.

Fafnir wrote:

LunaHound wrote:
( are you looking for something as Tau Titan? )

No, I just like the design.

Friends don't let friends use Gundams as Tau titans.

Also Fafnir, you'll be happy to hear that I've taken your comments onboard and have managed to sculpt some additional chest armor for the suit. I'm looking at adding the spine you mentioned about earlier now. Wish me luck.

ZandrisIV wrote:

Fafnir wrote:

LunaHound wrote:
( are you looking for something as Tau Titan? )

No, I just like the design.

Friends don't let friends use Gundams as Tau titans.

Also Fafnir, you'll be happy to hear that I've taken your comments onboard and have managed to sculpt some additional chest armor for the suit. I'm looking at adding the spine you mentioned about earlier now. Wish me luck.

I would never recommend Gundam to be used in any GW faction -_- my taste isnt that off!

warhound123 wrote:Thanks Reds8n!

Tbh, I have avoided coming to both Warseer and Dakka for some months now as most of the time I cannot stand to trawl through yet another 'that's not GW style' or some snap reaction to someones work, let alone thoughts....

It strikes me that there is actually little constructive debate, let alone conversation which is what our great civilisation is supposed to be founded on and so I will never post my own work here again. I take my hat off to those that still do as there is little feedback of merit.

Anyway, apologies to ZandrisIV for this interuption in service...

oh and I love the reply with images- very courteous of you!

cheers
WARHOUND

If you don't like it don't let the door hit you on the ass on the way out.

Oh Snap Frazz.


But yeah. I think I'm in the camp of "something isn't right". It might be the fact that it just doesn't seem Tau in any way, shape, or form. It looks like something that might work as an Ogryn stand-in. But calling it a "Tau" alternative battlesuit just puts the viewer in the wrong frame of mind for what you've got there.

LunaHound wrote:

ZandrisIV wrote:

Fafnir wrote:

LunaHound wrote:
( are you looking for something as Tau Titan? )

No, I just like the design.

Friends don't let friends use Gundams as Tau titans.

Also Fafnir, you'll be happy to hear that I've taken your comments onboard and have managed to sculpt some additional chest armor for the suit. I'm looking at adding the spine you mentioned about earlier now. Wish me luck.

I would never recommend Gundam to be used in any GW faction -_- my taste isnt that off!

Also, it's not like something like that would be hard to convert.

I was going to suggest Armored Core to Fafnir if he was looking for titan alternative.

I already have two AC models Crest Dualface and Rayleonard Aaliyah. But I'm not looking for anything Tau. Or titans in general. I don't like the idea behind them in the world of 40k.



I'm a hardcore Raven(not some stupid LINX, a melon-fething RAVEN!).

Kanluwen wrote:Oh Snap Frazz.


But yeah. I think I'm in the camp of "something isn't right". It might be the fact that it just doesn't seem Tau in any way, shape, or form. It looks like something that might work as an Ogryn stand-in. But calling it a "Tau" alternative battlesuit just puts the viewer in the wrong frame of mind for what you've got there.

This is why I left the word Tau in brackets. You don't need to use it as a Tau replacement, it's a bog-standard Sci-Fi battlesuit that you can dress up in any way you want. Plus I am not eager to go stepping on GW's legal toes, so I wouldn't actually market it as such. For clarification, this was the only forum where I even suggested it might be useful for a Tau army, simply because Dakka has such a heavy GW slant that anything not-GW is routinely ignored.

"Anything not-GW is routinely ignored"?

You must have missed the number of subforums, the fact that News & Rumours gives the same preference to non-GW as GW, and the stickied/moderated threads where posters from small-time companies constantly post...

But yeah. Obviously ignoring non-GW.

The sculpting on the model is very good, I'm just not a fan of fatty-looking models. Now a suit based off an Evangelion would be cool.

Nice job.

Kanluwen wrote:"Anything not-GW is routinely ignored"?

I have noticed it in the P&M forums, where I have posted both GW and non-GW stuff, and the trend does seem for anything non-GW to get very few, if any comments, while a GW-based piece (even if it was inferior technically) will receive much more attention. Most of the subforums for the non-GW games are pretty dead (or were so last I checked), and the only major source of non-GW stuff is N&R, which I admit gives a fair shake to all parties.

So yes, anything not-GW is generally ignored. I am not saying it's something that necessarily needs to be changed, it's to be expected since this *is* a GW/40k forum after all.

Edit. Also I don't see where these sticky threads you mention are located. Are they in the sub-subforums?

ZandrisIV wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:"Anything not-GW is routinely ignored"?

I have noticed it in the P&M forums, where I have posted both GW and non-GW stuff, and the trend does seem for anything non-GW to get very few, if any comments, while a GW-based piece (even if it was inferior technically) will receive much more attention. Most of the subforums for the non-GW games are pretty dead (or were so last I checked), and the only major source of non-GW stuff is N&R, which I admit gives a fair shake to all parties.

So yes, anything not-GW is generally ignored. I am not saying it's something that necessarily needs to be changed, it's to be expected since this *is* a GW/40k forum after all.

Edit. Also I don't see where these sticky threads you mention are located. Are they in the sub-subforums?

You're absolutely right! Painting & Modeling obviously favors GW!

You're paranoid if you think there's actually some form of difference just because a GW piece "receives more comments".

Oh, and remember also, comments don't matter. Views do.
Subforums for the non-GW games are "pretty dead"? Most, if not all, have posts within the past day--if not few hours/minutes.

You'll also notice that I said "stickied/moderated threads". Chapterhouse and a few other have dedicated threads in N&R that are JUST for them.

I think it is a cool model, but you are going to get bitch-slapped if you try and sell that thing as Tau. Maybe "miscellaneous gundam-type miniature". In 28mm scale that just happens to be shooting these Orks here. Space Orcs, that is.

That's a very cool base, and lots of work indeed. Areas of improvement IMHO:
- thigh should be more detailed under the plating, to create more contrast. I'm sure it'll look less fatty after that step.
- more details on the head. Having 1 variant such as the one you offer is great, but others need to add more shapes, such as sensor arrys, coms antennas, etc. Right now it looks like a cop in riot control gear.
- more details on the chest. Suggestions are hinges so that it looks like it can be opened, and some wire circuirty like pattern to add verticality to the mini. It shouls also address the obese look of the chest, as currently is.
- where are the jump exhausts and thrust controls? You could bulk up the legs to have them appear there, similar to the Takeshi Tomoe character in Arms, when White Rabbit activates (can't get a pic though).

Kanluwen wrote:Stuff

I am not paranoid, I am simply stating the facts of the matter as I see them. GW stuff receives more comments and by extension, more attention as topics are bumped etc. I have seen very little in terms of non-GW (or GW-related) stuff posted, and most of it tends to receive very little in terms of comments, even if it is a very nice piece of work. There may be a lot of views, but IMHO, that means nothing, it takes absolutely no effort to enter a topic and glance through it and promptly hit the back button, but if someone actually bothers typing out a reply, then that's already a more considered level of attention.

The subforums *are* pretty dead as there are only one or two active threads. In the rest of the major forums, you have dozens of active threads, the entire first page of threads will be different from day to day.

I didn't see anything on the top of the N&R page where the stickies are, maybe my settings are wrong? Plus Chapterhouse is a pretty lousy example as it is very closely related to GW. IIRC, they're just conversion packs for GW tanks. When I mean non-GW, I am referring to other games, other systems, or miniature manufacturers that don't necessarily conform to the grimdark of GW. There may very well be a few threads there, but none jump out to me. I know people post regular updates of Infinity, AT-43 and Reaper, but I don't recall dedicated threads for them.

Edit: If you want to discuss this further I suggest we take it to PMs rather than derail the thread.

@Tacobake

I won't sell it as Tau because it blatantly isn't Tau. Unlike some other manufacturers I am not gunning for the GW crowd, I just thought it may be of interest as an alternative to Tau battlesuits. As others have noted, it doesn't exactly fit the Tau aesthetic as it's much more rounded (Tau have a mix of round and straight edges). I will sell it as I've named it, as a battlesuit (which GW cannot touch me for anyway).

@Hasdrubal

I am happy with the thighs as they are. I do not want to add lots and lots of detail as the idea is to keep it sleek and relatively simple. Plus the way I built the thighs and casting means that I can't really add detail under the plates unless I go through a lot of trouble remaking them (which I am not about to do).

I will make more head variants, but for now the blank face is going to be standard.

Chest area has a panel line running along the sides whichis where it is supposed to open, but you can't see that. I've cooked up a chestplate which should alleviate the barren appearance of the chest. Again, I don't want to add wiring as I want to keep it sleek.

No jump exhausts, and I don't want to bulk up the lower legs. It will look very odd if I do so. I plan on doing a flight pack for it (a pair of antigravity wings) in the future.

I still think the models need to have some armor seams and access panels. If these details were on the model it could break of the odd look to the models. This might sound weird, but anybody that is married or lived (and clothes shopped) with a woman you will know that stripes and lines can be a very slimming.

Your project is has good ideas like the picture provided by LunaHound of the one professionally made battlesuit. But that model while had fatter legs than most battlesuits it details that draw the eyes away from the fatness of the the legs and chest.

There's you answer people.

This model will serve as the base and variants issued to compliment it.


Kanluwen, the posts in painting and modelling are always bias towards GW, further they are bias to 40k. I know this very well as I monitor the P&M and Blogs for threads that aren't recieving responses, I have noted that some quite amazing work, if not 40k centric, get's passed over with little commentary.

I don't blame Zandris one bit for including a 'keyword' in order to generate some interest, it was quite a sensible move.

MeanGreenStompa wrote:There's you answer people.

This model will serve as the base and variants issued to compliment it.


Kanluwen, the posts in painting and modelling are always bias towards GW, further they are bias to 40k. I know this very well as I monitor the P&M and Blogs for threads that aren't recieving responses, I have noted that some quite amazing work, if not 40k centric, get's passed over with little commentary.

I don't blame Zandris one bit for including a 'keyword' in order to generate some interest, it was quite a sensible move.

I just find it ridiculous that just because there's no commentary posted seems to imply it's some kind of GW fan conspiracy.

I don't disagree that yes, there are alot more posts on 40k painted objects.

However, I do have to insist that most of those posts tend towards critiques of new painters or spitballing of color techniques, etc. Painted and final projects, for the most part, do not get as many replies as a WIP(gee. I wonder why a long running project would get more posts ) thread or a thread that is asking for help in painting techniques, a "how to" for certain colors, etc.

It looks good better than the GW crisis suits.

I like the suits too, I may be using them as terminators in my newest army

Kanluwen wrote:I just find it ridiculous that just because there's no commentary posted seems to imply it's some kind of GW fan conspiracy.

It's not a conspiracy, it's just the natural order of things. This is a 40k/GW forum, hence most of the people here will have an interest in 40k ergo they will definitely pay more attention to 40k related things as compared to non-40k/GW items. I don't understand why you have such a huge issue with me stating the obvious.

@Pipboy

There are plenty of vertical panel lines, and I do follow the usual mecha conventions on where I've placed them (i.e. around the sides and back), if you have a look at the all round shots you'll be able to notice them.

ZandrisIV wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:I just find it ridiculous that just because there's no commentary posted seems to imply it's some kind of GW fan conspiracy.

It's not a conspiracy, it's just the natural order of things. This is a 40k/GW forum, hence most of the people here will have an interest in 40k ergo they will definitely pay more attention to 40k related things as compared to non-40k/GW items. I don't understand why you have such a huge issue with me stating the obvious.

@Pipboy

There are plenty of vertical panel lines, and I do follow the usual mecha conventions on where I've placed them (i.e. around the sides and back), if you have a look at the all round shots you'll be able to notice them.

It's not the "statement of the obvious" that I have a problem with.

It's the way you made the statement. You come across(to me at least) as if there's some great injustice being done when your works are being criticized by the teeming masses of GW's Fan Legions.

I will give you that yes, a few of the replies were far too blunt and rude... but that's how criticism works. Some people are absolutely terrible at sugarcoating things, while others will tell you absolutely nothing useful whatsoever other than "it looks neat".

How the hell does that help you improve your product or talents? That's like the "A for Effort" system.