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I wasnt trolling. Apple is far superior. It just cost more.

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Green Blow Fly wrote:I wasnt trolling. Apple is far superior. It just cost more.

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Depends on the uses and platform. They do indeed cost more, but not really outside of the realm of purchase. They are just weaker per dollar spent. There are a few issues with macs though, most notably the closed environment, lack of games, and lack of real industry support. The "I'm a Mac" commercials were made on PC's you know. They like to cultivate an image of multimedia production dominance, but it's just not the case. Businesses needing to buy a couple hundred consoles for workers to do multimedia projects on will often times chose windows simply to cut costs, and maximize compatibility with the business side of their networks, which is quite firmly a windows staple. I use a Mac with a dual booted vista partition, and I work in a graphics field while attending a school for programming and graphic design. I use the mac side for most operations and the windows side sparingly for gaming, but that doesn't mean that I don't feel the very small box that the OS puts me into. Not being able to use FLAC audio in Itunes is just one of a thousand gripes I have about the system.

Windows 7 and Snow Leopard are pretty comparable. Snow Leopard will cost you more per gigahertz but will likely last longer and run better over the timeframe. It's all in how you plan to use it.

Green Blow Fly wrote:I wasnt trolling. Apple is far superior. It just cost more.

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No, Apple products are fundamentally the same, and each have have strengths and weaknesses which are largely aesthetic. There used to be a big compatibility argument, but that's mostly in the past.
The fact that iPods are designed to work flawlessly with Macs and are subpar when syncronising with an alternative OS is not a issue with the alternative OS.

Due to your grammar I still think you are trolling.

I can play any game i want on my Mac as it runs Windows OS better than PCs.

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Yes, because how efficiently you can run the Windows OS is so utterly related to gaming performance...

It's not that I think PCs are better, it's that I think you are unreasonably biased.

Green Blow Fly wrote:I can play any game i want on my Mac as it runs Windows OS better than PCs.

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You... Are lying.. And I don't even think you realize it. The windows driver support apple gives is so god awful it's almost a crime. They're vista drivers don't even recognize when you've booted with smc fan control at 6000rpm and they never bothered to write a driver for sleep mode, meaning a windows-top when closed will simply run, getting hotter, and hotter, and hotter, as they never bothered to write dynamic fan speed controls. The audio, camera, and video drivers are barely any better.

Yes, because how efficiently you can run the Windows OS is so utterly related to gaming performance...

Actually it's directly related as a game is run ontop of the operating system. When you run windows more efficiently you free up ram, increase read write speeds in the hard drive (mostly for accessing, since the HD doesn't actually go faster) and tend to run things through the processors better. It's why optimizing hardware for an operating system works (though it's a two way street, the software needs to be optimized for the hardware).

Regardless though, windows doesn't run better on a mac. Without the apple OS all a mac is is an intel chipset with an nvidia graphics card and some corsair memory. You can buy all of those stock, and they come in a lot of windows boxes anyway.

ShumaGorath wrote:the software needs to be optimized for the hardware

...and therein lies the problem.

Arctik_Firangi wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:the software needs to be optimized for the hardware

...and therein lies the problem.

What? Apple hardware is no different from windows or linux hardware. What are you even saying?

I have a friend in Mexico whose business all run a Windows OS on top of the Mac OS. You can buy the software at stores or online. That's how I found out about it and it is a lot easier than using Bootcamp.

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Mac OS is generally used in the more artistic businesses as they apparently have better programs. Virtualisation is nice I guess, but the apparent added security is not needed at the level of the workstations. Generally a server will be Linux based and have the workstations running XP or something like that to keep things simple for the workers. If threats can be kept out of the network there is no need to waste resources running Windows virtually through Linux. The only real thing seperating them is that Macs have a special chip on them that the OS looks for (iirc) thats why PCs should have problems trying to run it. But, there are ways around it.

Other than that a Mac is generally sealed meaning that when a part breaks on it, its generally easier to throw it away and get a new one than replacing the part. If I remember right one of the solutions to fixing one of the old ones was to pick it up and drop it onto the desk because the heat created from it would cause parts to become disconnected.

What a load.

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Other than that a Mac is generally sealed meaning that when a part breaks on it, its generally easier to throw it away and get a new one than replacing the part.

I think by mac you mean all computer laptops. Mac desktops and minitops are more modular than the average dell which will solder parts in to prevent upgrading.

I have a friend in Mexico whose business all run a Windows OS on top of the Mac OS. You can buy the software at stores or online. That's how I found out about it and it is a lot easier than using Bootcamp.

You mean virtualized? All bootcamp does is install windows in a separate partition, there's nothing "easier" than that since thats about the only way to do it. Virtualizing causes all sorts of performance and compatibility issues, but it's nice for accessing windows only programs without having to hard restart.

I had to pull a card out of one of my PCs and swap it to one of my Macs the other day.

Opening the Mac was a revelation. It was like a James Bond gadget from a special future in which computers are designed to be super easy to open and fiddle with.

Opening the PC involved mucking around with a multitool and a broken fingernail, to wrestle the side plate off. Opening the Mac involved flipping a latch and a lever.

The card was attached into the PC with a bit of thin steel plate and another screw. In the Mac, it was clipped in place with a swinging bar which slotted in place and had a knurled knob to secure it.

Best of all, once I restarted the Mac, the OS said, "I see you have put in a new piece of hardware. Would you like me to get the drivers and install them for you, while you have a nice cup of tea?"

Yes, please!

Mac is so much better. some People that can't afford it are jealous. Save up, it's worth it.

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I find your message to be a LIE I have heard from mac owners about how "rubbish" they are


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I find pc to be best and cheap and "efficient"

It has begun...

We can say whatever we wish on the Internet but to be honest I doubt that many people here have any great knowledge of either hardware or software for that matter. I'm an electrical engineer by trade and am very familiar with both. I have been using Macs for years and years now. They suffer none of the problems typically encountered with PCs. In fact the Windows OS was nothing more than a blatant and poorly executed rip of the Mac OS.

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Green Blow Fly wrote: In fact the Windows OS was nothing more than a blatant and poorly executed rip of the Mac OS.

Which is a rip of Unix, Amirite?

At least windows doesn't sue people when they steal stuff.

Babylon 5.

...crap, wrong debate!

M$ all the way. Only thing good about Apple is the iPod.

Win7 blows all previous OS's out of the water.

RapidKiller wrote:

Green Blow Fly wrote: In fact the Windows OS was nothing more than a blatant and poorly executed rip of the Mac OS.

Which is a rip of Unix, Amirite?

At least windows doesn't sue people when they steal stuff.

no you are wrong. The Mac OS was based on one developed by Xerox but was never released to the public because the CEO thought the mouse was a stupid idea. MS has gone to court many times and even bought out companies to take their technology such as compression.

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Kilkrazy wrote:I had to pull a card out of one of my PCs and swap it to one of my Macs the other day.

Opening the Mac was a revelation. It was like a James Bond gadget from a special future in which computers are designed to be super easy to open and fiddle with.

Opening the PC involved mucking around with a multitool and a broken fingernail, to wrestle the side plate off. Opening the Mac involved flipping a latch and a lever.

The card was attached into the PC with a bit of thin steel plate and another screw. In the Mac, it was clipped in place with a swinging bar which slotted in place and had a knurled knob to secure it.

Best of all, once I restarted the Mac, the OS said, "I see you have put in a new piece of hardware. Would you like me to get the drivers and install them for you, while you have a nice cup of tea?"

Yes, please!

Sounds like they've improved a bit from the last time I paid them any attention. I didn't know the desktop ones weren't sealed anymore. I guess I should pay them more attention more often from now on

Also didn't Microsoft take stuff from Xerox as well? I know they basically get all their ideas from all over the place, IE wasn't even theirs. But, if I remember correctly they basically stole Xerox's GUI right?

Xerox gave them all their research for free because their CEO thought the mouse was lame.

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Green Blow Fly wrote:

RapidKiller wrote:

Green Blow Fly wrote: In fact the Windows OS was nothing more than a blatant and poorly executed rip of the Mac OS.

Which is a rip of Unix, Amirite?

At least windows doesn't sue people when they steal stuff.

no you are wrong. The Mac OS was based on one developed by Xerox but was never released to the public because the CEO thought the mouse was a stupid idea. MS has gone to court many times and even bought out companies to take their technology such as compression.

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You realize that was before unix, didn't happen (just the talent flight from xerox after it's early research days), and that the current set of OS' based on tiger are unix based and quite similar to other previously developed operating systems utilized by other companies and users?

Win7 blows all previous OS's out of the water.

As the newest it theoretically should, and is certainly on par with leopard, though snow leopard does beat in in certain forms of performance (though not high level gaming) such as drive search times and multitasking, and is in general a slightly better implemented GUI. Virtually all unbiased reviews of W7 state that it's a massive leap foreward for microsoft, putting it squarely an inch behind current Apple efforts, rather than miles behind like xp or vista were.

At least windows doesn't sue people when they steal stuff.

Actually for a while Microsoft was famous for pulling down startups with lawsuits. It's calmed down since the antitrust lawsuits started hitting them every five minutes, but they are hardly angels.

Microsoft is a monopoly.

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Green Blow Fly wrote:Microsoft is a monopoly.

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Incorrect. They are a multinational corporation with thousands of products. The closest thing they have to a monopoly is internet explorer.

Green Blow Fly wrote

The Mac OS was based on one developed by Xerox but was never released to the public because the CEO thought the mouse was a stupid idea. MS has gone to court many times and even bought out companies to take their technology such as compression.

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U are only going by what Steve Jobs says about MACs


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microsoft sucks because of Vista. Apple sucks because of MAC. they have problems with computers. to my maths knowelage to negatives make a positive. they should join forces. name the new company microApple


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they will make a good computer



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In the one corner people with turtleneck sweaters, in the other "uneducated simpletons".

Oh joy to the world, OS wars.

I'm a Windows simpleton myself. More games, easier to use OS plus the PC can be upgraded more easily, it not being one of those pre-fab things where everything is crammed in just right for the perfect yuppie design.

Sure, I use an iPod, but iTunes is a load of crap.

No one wins in OS wars, ever. As soon as one is done the losing side just goes around the interwebs and knocks some more boyz around the head and tell them to "lissen up gud cuz liek da bestest OS iz gunna win" before they launch another Waaagghh! on the nearest forum.

RapidKiller wrote:

Green Blow Fly wrote: In fact the Windows OS was nothing more than a blatant and poorly executed rip of the Mac OS.

Which is a rip of Unix, Amirite?

At least windows doesn't sue people when they steal stuff.

OS X is not a "rip of Unix". In fact, 10.5 Leopard received Unix certification. It's a brand of Unix.

I've used a Mac as my home computer for a couple of years now. I love the hardware of iMacs and I think the operating system has a lot more polish than Windows.
Still, I use Windows for a lot of my programming and university work. I use it for gaming, too; have to get my Steam fix somehow.