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Kid_Kyoto wrote:

Just Dave wrote:

Kid_Kyoto wrote:No one wants it, no one needs it but we're gonna get Codex Blood Angels. So what can we reasonably expect kit-wise?

Well it's not that they dont need it or no-one wants it, its just others need/want it more. Namely Necrons etc.

Yes exactly. I meant to say no one thinks this needs to come out before the Inquisition, Necrons, Adeptus Mech or Squats get their codexi.

Completely agree with you (except Squats and Ad' Mech anyway, but each to their own), others need it A LOT more.

Although you seem to have misspelt 'Dark Eldar'? (yes I know your feelings about them)

Huh? Dark Eldar have a free-standing codex. In fact they almost tabled my 'zerkers no too long ago.

DH and WH have books that point to out of print Marine and Guard books.

Oh yeah, Dark Eldar are competitive, I'm not going to deny that and that is why I think other, newer, codices should be prioritised before them. But they are still oh-so-very-old and their players desperately want a new codex (understandably).

It is, as we've said, Necrons, DH and WH's that need a new Codex most.

Anyways we're straying off topic. *Ahem* "I love blood angels"

Just for KK, I hope the release schedule is Blood Angels, Dark Angels, Grey Knights, and then Black Templars.

I need it KK.
I want it too.

FWIW if I was doing it (and in all trying to be realistic and sensible remembering the stuff needs stocking in stores and cross use across various armies is best)...

Recut predator sprue with Baal parts added and better sponsons.

BA kit- Can be used to make honour guard, veterans, death company, termi pads, and lots of BA moulded shoulder pads (I'm sick of buying metal ones)

Recut Dread with the right arm and weapon options for furioso added.

Characters- 5-6 blisters/boxes

Lastly.... Assauly marines.
An army based around assault marines needs to sell lots of assault marines. Not sure what I'd add to the current kit though.

Kid_Kyoto wrote:

Just Dave wrote:

Kid_Kyoto wrote:No one wants it, no one needs it but we're gonna get Codex Blood Angels. So what can we reasonably expect kit-wise?

Well it's not that they dont need it or no-one wants it, its just others need/want it more. Namely Necrons etc.

Yes exactly. I meant to say no one thinks this needs to come out before the Inquisition, Necrons, Adeptus Mech or Squats get their codexi.

The way you phrased it, the only thing that doesn't make it trolling is that everyone knows you have an established place in the community. If someone who had never posted anything here before had posted the exact same message they'd have likely be thrown out. Blood angels have a place. A craptastic WD update doesn't count. And only sales can speak for anyone "wanting" them.

Back to speculation...
Baal Predator, I think it will be a single sprue with all the baal predator bits. It won't build off the current predator kit, but a self contained single sprue; likely with new options.
Furioso/Moriar, in a similar fashion will likely be a more self contained kit.
BA/Death Company will be taken care of similarly to the SW sprue.
Honour Guard will be an all metal boxset.
Dante will get a resculpt
Lemartes will get a resculpt
Blood Angels will likely get a Vanguard like elite choice these will also be an all metal boxset.

Well considering that they "DO NOT" have a codex, but a gakky .pdf goes to say that they actually do need a codex. Of course any race could use an update before they do, but why not finally release a Blood Angels codex to get it out of the way? I am sure enough that at some point in time this race needed an update and before that, that race needed an update. I used to have Necrons, I know they need an update but if I was still playing them I would hold off so that another army actually had a codex they could hold.


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Also, as for kits I would like to see Baal predator, actual blood angel sprues to tell a clear difference from that marine to the next.

Re-done death company models.

Actual kits? A BA upgrade sprue (along the lines of DA) would seem incredibly sensible - maybe even a vehicle upgrade sprue and a infantry upgrade sprue - but I'm not expecting any other plastics. Just a whole pile of metal doodads... :(

BA Termies from Space Hulk,
character models in plastic, resculpted Dante and Corbulo,
Furioso in plastic,
Rhino upgrade for overcharged engines.

The way you phrased it, the only thing that doesn't make it trolling is that everyone knows you have an established place in the community. If someone who had never posted anything here before had posted the exact same message they'd have likely be thrown out. Blood angels have a place. A craptastic WD update doesn't count. And only sales can speak for anyone "wanting" them.

Hmm, a bit harsh but valid. And really there's nothing wrong with it, I've been posting on this board and it's predecessors off and on since 2000 so yeah, I kind of think people can tell the difference between a humorous exaggeration and trolling.

And I've always said I liked the Adeptes Astres solution GW had in the early 2000s, give each marine chapter a few pages of special rules, characters and wargear and keep the release slots free for real armies rather than sub-factions.

wuestenfux wrote:
1) BA Termies from Space Hulk,
2) character models in plastic, resculpted Dante and Corbulo,
3) Furioso in plastic,
4) Rhino upgrade for overcharged engines.

1) Unlikely, as noted before, unless they're seriously changing the rules for BA Termi weapon loadouts
2) Special Character Models in plastic? Again, unlikely. Metal? Possibly.
3) Maybe via a 'vehicle add on sprue', but since BA's are the only chapter to feature the twin DCCW (other than an Ironclad)...
4) Again, possibly on a 'vehicle add on sprue'

I think we'll see something closer to what the SW codex brought us...

I guess we should hope that as the BAs have always had a bit of the 'Noble Vampire' trope around them that they won't take inspiration from Twilight?

Balance wrote:I guess we should hope that as the BAs have always had a bit of the 'Noble Vampire' trope around them that they won't take inspiration from Twilight?

Enter the 'Gliterati'.

Bunch of bat wielding, emoesque tryhards.

*Looks to left at my ranking*

Balance wrote:I guess we should hope that as the BAs have always had a bit of the 'Noble Vampire' trope around them that they won't take inspiration from Twilight?

We should definitely hope so!

Thankfully, the Twilight "saga" skews towards a different demographic...

BA officers have always worn gold armor.

Good point!

I guess "Twilight" should expect their C&D any day now!

Kid_Kyoto wrote:And I've always said I liked the Adeptes Astres solution GW had in the early 2000s, give each marine chapter a few pages of special rules, characters and wargear and keep the release slots free for real armies rather than sub-factions.

Define "real" army, KK. One you like? One that isn't a SM army?

I bet GW defines a "real" army as one that SELLS and makes back the investment within a quarter. And I bet the BA do that. Moreso than some of the armies you consider "real".

LIke i said there going too use the termies from Space hulk as the new blood angels termies watch....

Kid_Kyoto wrote:No one wants it, no one needs it but we're gonna get Codex Blood Angels. So what can we reasonably expect kit-wise?

OK a BA infantry box with blood drop shoulder pads, angels on the calves and probably some Super Black Red X marine bitz.

Recut Predator tank with the twin Donkey Cannon option.

Re-done razorback with all codex options?

And the usual sprinkle of special characters.

Anything else likely?

If I were to guess, I'd say that a single infantry box is right on. It follows the standard of the wolf box well. It would contain a whole bunch of blood doo-dads, along with the deathco bits. (As stated above)

The Recut of those vehicles for the BA does not seem likely to me. More likely is the recut of the vehicles to be released at the same time as the BA 'dex. I would guess that either included in the BA upgrade pack (a la BT) or available in a separate box will be the fixings required for Furioso Dreads, and Baal Preds. Along with that are sets of doors and the standard goodies.

Characters I predict for new blisters:
Corbulo
Lemartes
Mephiston
Possible new guy

In terms of BT being unwanted, I disagree, but it's also easy for a non marine player (such as myself) to look at all the divergent chapters as different colored marines, rather than specific armies with different rules.

dienekes96 wrote:

Kid_Kyoto wrote:And I've always said I liked the Adeptes Astres solution GW had in the early 2000s, give each marine chapter a few pages of special rules, characters and wargear and keep the release slots free for real armies rather than sub-factions.

Define "real" army, KK. One you like? One that isn't a SM army?

I bet GW defines a "real" army as one that SELLS and makes back the investment within a quarter. And I bet the BA do that. Moreso than some of the armies you consider "real".

Not a sub-faction.

Eldar=real army
Eldar painted black=sub-faction

It's hard to say sales justify who gets a codex since you can't really compare sales with a product that does not exist. There's been no new Daemon Hunter model since 2003, no plastics ever. How do you compare that with sales of... gimmie a sec... five marine books since then?

Besides, since Marines are the sales powerhouse then shouldn't GW putn out as many marine factions as they can? Shouldn't we go back to the model of the early 2000s where virtually every issue of WD had a trial army list? They could make a PDF similar to the BA one for every major chapter, along with a dozen IG regiments, the Chaos Legions, feral Orks, Craft Worlds... Each of which could stimulate sales of existing product lines without requiring much more investment than writing and playtesting (don't laugh).

Instead they limit themselves to what 3? 4? army lists a year. So yeah, a minor sub-faction of Space Marines taking up a whole slot for itself when other armies are 2 editions behind is annoying. I'd be just as irked if Genestealer Cults got a whole release but not Tyranids.

Blood Angels had a release in both 2nd and 3rd edition, well before DH or WH were even a sniff. There has been no new BA model (outside of last years SH release) since 1999. Four years earlier. So you might have your definition, for which the BA do not fit. but your definition is clearly NOT in line with the company that owns the IP.

BA didn't get a release in 4th, and had an earlier release (by 4 years) compared to DH/WH. SO they seem to be due. Regardless of how any customer defines "real" armies. But I appreciate your clarification.

As for sales, GW likely has numbers for everything they have ever released. They seem to think Marine sub-factions are worth full release schedules. Considering they are still in business while most of their competitors have long since bit the dust, they must be doing something right.

Index Astartes/Chapter Approved was a horrible marketing gimmick and I for one am glad to see it gone.

If nothing else, Fetterkey, it was a useful way of getting some background on chapters which had not had a focus on them before - how much about the Iron Hands had you seen prior to reading their Index Astartes article, for instance?

The background information provided in the Index Astartes articles was fairly useful, but I would have preferred if they had released the background material without the rules supplements.

Fetterkey wrote:Index Astartes/Chapter Approved was a horrible marketing gimmick and I for one am glad to see it gone.

Yeah, damn them for giving us information about the chapters! When I flipped to the 3 total pages of models in the entire book I really felt like I was being suffocated by advertisement.

aka_mythos wrote:
Blood Angels will likely get a Vanguard like elite choice these will also be an all metal boxset.

Yea, you could call those, hmmmm... Veteran Assaulters? It would be nice to have sculpts that have more ornamentation to them to set them apart from the other yellow helmeted assaulting units.

As for honor guard, they're going to need a redo on the unit size/organization to make it worth taking. Right now, it's just an easy kill point giveaway. Possibly a terminator upgrade if they're going to be REAL honor guards.

I'm talking about the White Dwarf articles, which were essentially a trick to make people buy needless supplements.

I'm hoping that with the models and fluff in the new dex that they are going to play up the creative and honorable nature of the BA instead of the half crazed vampiric nature that we've been seing lately. Although with the new space hulk minis and the Sgt's vampire fangs i don't think they're going to be going that route.

Fetterkey wrote:I'm talking about the White Dwarf articles, which were essentially a trick to make people buy needless supplements.

Alright, so WD is made up of two things: advertisement and useful content. If you are saying that the useful content is advertisement, then what does that make the advertisement? Chapter Approved was the least advertisementy thing WD ever had, AND if you were subcscribed to WD you basically didn't have to buy the supplement. I really don't think you understand what you're talking about.

BA sprues will be done either like the current SW sprues (infantry upgrade, terminator upgrade) or like the DA sprues (veteran upgrade, vehicle upgrade). Given the inclusion of Death Company and Baal predator, I'm leaning more toward the latter. Perhaps a command/bodyguard sprue but I'm not betting on that.