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reds8n wrote:What's Maryland/Baltimore like anyway ?
Baltimore is an incredibly violent cesspool outside of a few block "Tourist" area. And people have been shot/stabbed/beaten to a pulp there in broad daylight the past few months. Most of Baltimore is also a bad place to be white in these days.
The rest of Maryland is a disfunctional conglomerate of white trash, welfare trash, crooked democrats and unconcerned rich people that live further out in the rural counties.
Sorry, I meant more the GW complex rather than the general area.
..oh, that is what you were talking about .
I assume it's little more than an industrial site then ? It's not got anything akin to Warhammer World there or anyhting has it ? Is it a Battle BUnker or anything ?
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Howlingmoon wrote:Hopefully Tommy visits my local store so I can meet him and thank him for ending the US bitz service and saved me from spending a ton of cash to convert some CSM Demon Princes that would have been unusable when the new codex came out.
And thank him again for the delays in the release of the Plastic Demon Prince that has saved me even more money because I'm now no longer interested in the model and the money that I had set aside to get 4 has been redirected to non-GW Hobby projects.
He will then pull a roll of hundred dollar bills out of his pocket, set them on fire with his cigar and then laugh at you. Silly consumer...
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Expect bodies drained of blood and cash to start appearing on the streets of Baltimore any time soon!
So, business as usual?
Meh, I've been walking these lands draining souls for Millenia...
Seriously though, thats kind of strange. Headquarters is not shifting and there's no tax reason for being here. Does he the Irish mob some money or something and had to get the heck out of Dodge?
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reds8n wrote:What's Maryland/Baltimore like anyway ?
Baltimore is an incredibly violent cesspool outside of a few block "Tourist" area. And people have been shot/stabbed/beaten to a pulp there in broad daylight the past few months. Most of Baltimore is also a bad place to be white in these days.
The rest of Maryland is a disfunctional conglomerate of white trash, welfare trash, crooked democrats and unconcerned rich people that live further out in the rural counties.
reds8n wrote: Sorry, I meant more the GW complex rather than the general area.
..oh, that is what you were talking about .
I assume it's little more than an industrial site then ? It's not got anything akin to Warhammer World there or anyhting has it ? Is it a Battle BUnker or anything ?
After these two posts now I´m imagining the GWs place like some kind of grimdark fortress with spotlights, barbed wire and watchtowers around.
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What's this strange Kirby person going to do for three weeks a month in Baltimore? I assume he must be a Raven's fan or something of that sort. Ultimately I think Kirby would love to get GW out of the model business entirely and that (and the cheap outlet malls) is why he'll be jumping the pond once a month. It's the brand that sells and videogames movies and such are a much cheaper and more profitable way of exploiting that IP. I suspect there is an analysis somewhere that shows that for every 1000 copies of Dawn of War sold, 2 people buy miniatures. Factories and metal and such are so nineteenth century.
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Hmm.. " royalty income come through strongly. " . No surprise with regards to this, I guess we can expect more of this...
...which would lead, one would imagine, to (further) stringent protection of the GW IP. They'd best be careful with the Hobbit stuff I guess.
How do you reach that conclusion? Royalty income is described as payments you receive for the use of your property, that are based in some way on the number of units sold. Dawn of War II, Warhammer Online, Blood Bowl are royalty income for GW, and I know 2 of those 3 have been moderately successful*, hence they "come through strongly". How do you link that with future "further stringent protection of the GW IP"?
*There is also a 40k MMO, Dawn of War II expansion and the Space Marine action/RPG that are in the works that developers paid GW to use the IP, so may count as royalty income as well.
Plus all the Fantasy Flight Games Stuff
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reds8n wrote: Sorry, I meant more the GW complex rather than the general area.
..oh, that is what you were talking about .
I assume it's little more than an industrial site then ? It's not got anything akin to Warhammer World there or anyhting has it ? Is it a Battle BUnker or anything ?
Actually, in all seriousness, yes. The GW building in Glen Bernie (just outside of Baltimore) is a giant industrial park. There's a smallish store in the front, but it's nothing compared to Nottingham. GWHQ is really pretty neat. The Glen Bernie headquarters is a cesspit.
So, who's down with taking out the king idiot himself while he's here in America?
This posh goes there, he's going to close it down.
Seriously, between the Walmart crap next door and the maze that it is located in, It is time for a location change.
I went there, thinking it was going to be something like going to a serious gaming headquarters, I ended up sorely disappointed.
You get off of 301, go down to a cross section where you need to make a U turn and come around. Be careful that you don't miss the enterence, which is between the McDonalds, and the Walmart area. There is a little sign that says Games Workshop, and then you come up into a warehouse area.
The Battle bunker is crap, the area that GW is located in is crap, and its more then likely "King" Kirby is looking to realign the company even more, or fix that marketshare even more by closing this location down.
as for coming to Baltimore?
To say Glenn Burney is Baltimore is like saying Hamburger is made out of steak.
These two areas are night and day. Don't go to Baltimore thinking GW is there, you are liable to get more then your feelings hurt.
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reds8n wrote: Sorry, I meant more the GW complex rather than the general area.
..oh, that is what you were talking about .
I assume it's little more than an industrial site then ? It's not got anything akin to Warhammer World there or anyhting has it ? Is it a Battle BUnker or anything ?
Actually, in all seriousness, yes. The GW building in Glen Bernie (just outside of Baltimore) is a giant industrial park. There's a smallish store in the front, but it's nothing compared to Nottingham. GWHQ is really pretty neat. The Glen Bernie headquarters is a cesspit.
So, who's down with taking out the king idiot himself while he's here in America?
Been there many times. Business Park, not industrial park. Several large brick buildings with lawns in front and parking lots. Offices, not factories. The GWHQ connects to a bunker, nothing like Warhammer World, but quite good for a GW store. 20 or so tables, decent scenery, nice atmosphere. The GWHQ is basically offices, and areas for mail order and trade sales staff. Big rooms filled with people who have miniatures all over their desks. Along the walls are cases of figures, armies, old advertising posters. Quite a cool place to work. Very nice little deli right next to them.
And I have no clue why you think it's a cesspit. Glen Burnie is a pretty typical american suburb, you turn off a typical 4 lane street into the business park with the GWHQ, look for a big spacemarine on a pedestal sitting on the lawn.
I'm very, very interested in what they will be doing in the US and their plans for expansion. Have to be, since they are 35% of my two stores business. GW been very supportive lately of the projects I've been working on, including the new Gaming area we renting from the mall and are running with the help of local clubs.
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Osbad wrote:Whatever the results, GW will always increase prices, the only question is by how much and how often.
This is the case for all businesses. Walmart is the only business that I can think of that doesn’t regularly raise prices, and that is because they crush the manufacturer to compete with other retailers.
GW’s big mistake is over estimating the price inelasticity of its clients. They even say in their financial statements that the market is virtually unresponsive to price increases. That may have been true 5 years ago when marines were 25USD and there were no competitors. But with the wealth of other gaming options coming up all the time and price increases that severely outpace general inflation the GW product has much less value then it did only a few years ago.
I don’t mind some price increase, even if costs go down. It’s a business and GW is out to make as much money as they can. But I think the chosen series of price increases they have gone with actually decrease the money they make as opposed to increasing it.
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Indeed! Baltimore's not quite as bad as portrayed up-thread. I'm not really into hookers so I can't really comment on CT's claims (and I'm really not sure if that's intended as a positive or negative to him). There's some scary areas, but the touristy areas are pretty nice. I'd rather go there than NYC, although NYC has better if more offensive smelling mass transit. Just stick to the innner harbor for the 'fun' part of the town.
I've only been to the GWHQ once for a sale years ago. I think it might have been before they moved, but I've heard they're in the same area, just slightly larger. The old location was in a light industrial area, so very small 'workshop' type industrial as opposed to massive buildings spitting out cars. Nice enough, and the GW logo probably goes unnoticed by a lot of people these days as just another small company in an area with lots of them.
Baltimore's kind of a weird city in that it tends to be a bit culturally different from the rest of the state. Every day in the city is not a scene from The Wire however, and it's a good enough place to visit if you have a reason, although I admit not many people decide on Baltimore as a tourist location without a good reason.
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This posh goes there, he's going to close it down. Seriously, between the Walmart crap next door and the maze that it is located in, It is time for a location change.
How is turning onto Ordnance Road and going straight for 2 minutes until you see the GW sign/Space Marine a maze? As far as closing it down? Its been there for at least 15 years give or take. Granted its not the most visible location, but its still a high traffic area. Its been like that for more than a decade and probably won't change.
I went there, thinking it was going to be something like going to a serious gaming headquarters, I ended up sorely disappointed.
Plenty of gaming tables, plenty of tables to get your hobby on, crap load of display armies, lots of random hobby pieces for special occasions. What in your mind is a serious gaming headquarters, if not that? The HQ in GWHQ is their corporate offices, thats located in a *gasp* office complex in a corporate park.
You get off of 301, go down to a cross section where you need to make a U turn and come around. Be careful that you don't miss the enterance, which is between the McDonalds, and the Walmart area. There is a little sign that says Games Workshop, and then you come up into a warehouse area.
TLDR, how about "Turn into Baymeadow Drive" instead. Then you'll see the GW sign on the left after about a minute. Sounds like you got lost.
The Battle bunker is crap, the area that GW is located in is crap, and its more then likely "King" Kirby is looking to realign the company even more, or fix that marketshare even more by closing this location down.
See above.
as for coming to Baltimore? To say Glenn Burney is Baltimore is like saying Hamburger is made out of steak.
These two areas are night and day. Don't go to Baltimore thinking GW is there, you are liable to get more then your feelings hurt.
Its Glen Burnie. Baltimore is 5 minutes up the road from the GW store, give or take how good the lights are to you. And Baltimore is a nice town, if you know what to avoid. I've lived in its shadow for most of my life.
You heard it here first
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And all wrong. See mikhalia's post for the correct, nonbitter at all things version.
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Indeed! Baltimore's not quite as bad as portrayed up-thread. I'm not really into hookers so I can't really comment on CT's claims (and I'm really not sure if that's intended as a positive or negative to him). There's some scary areas, but the touristy areas are pretty nice. I'd rather go there than NYC, although NYC has better if more offensive smelling mass transit. Just stick to the innner harbor for the 'fun' part of the town.
Then your slightly foolish. Baltimore is #1 in homicides, beating out Detroit and DC. #3 if you take in cities with at least 100K population, behind New Orleans and St Louis.
Lorek wrote:This was the first thing that popped into my head when I heard that Kirby was coming to "fix" the problems in the North American market:
I'm not in the "bitter old grognard" camp, I just thought the parallel was funny, and it took me about 20 seconds to find the clip on YouTube.
I love the "The Emperor will not be as forgiving as I am"
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Jenkins: You don't have jurisdiction here!
Smith Jamison: We aren't here, which means when we open up on you and shred your bodies with automatic fire then this will never have happened.
About the Clans: "Those brief outbursts of sense can't hold back the wave of sibko bred, over hormoned sociopaths that they crank out though."
To the Baltimore is a cess pool crowd: You are right. It is nothing but burned out buildings and overturned cars where you will be forced to smoke crack and have a one hundred percent chance of being shot. You should stay far away from it.
To the Inner Harbor is nice crowd: You are right. There is very good food, shopping and some nice sights with a bit of history in that small area. There are not more interesting places away from Pratt street. Don't go exploring any further.
I'm going to go hit the town now, I hope I've done my bit to keep the lines short.
This posh goes there, he's going to close it down. Seriously, between the Walmart crap next door and the maze that it is located in, It is time for a location change.
How is turning onto Ordnance Road and going straight for 2 minutes until you see the GW sign/Space Marine a maze? As far as closing it down? Its been there for at least 15 years give or take. Granted its not the most visible location, but its still a high traffic area. Its been like that for more than a decade and probably won't change.
I went there, thinking it was going to be something like going to a serious gaming headquarters, I ended up sorely disappointed.
Plenty of gaming tables, plenty of tables to get your hobby on, crap load of display armies, lots of random hobby pieces for special occasions. What in your mind is a serious gaming headquarters, if not that? The HQ in GWHQ is their corporate offices, thats located in a *gasp* office complex in a corporate park.
You get off of 301, go down to a cross section where you need to make a U turn and come around. Be careful that you don't miss the enterance, which is between the McDonalds, and the Walmart area. There is a little sign that says Games Workshop, and then you come up into a warehouse area.
TLDR, how about "Turn into Baymeadow Drive" instead. Then you'll see the GW sign on the left after about a minute. Sounds like you got lost.
The Battle bunker is crap, the area that GW is located in is crap, and its more then likely "King" Kirby is looking to realign the company even more, or fix that marketshare even more by closing this location down.
See above.
as for coming to Baltimore? To say Glenn Burney is Baltimore is like saying Hamburger is made out of steak.
These two areas are night and day. Don't go to Baltimore thinking GW is there, you are liable to get more then your feelings hurt.
Its Glen Burnie. Baltimore is 5 minutes up the road from the GW store, give or take how good the lights are to you. And Baltimore is a nice town, if you know what to avoid. I've lived in its shadow for most of my life.
You heard it here first
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And all wrong. See mikhalia's post for the correct, nonbitter at all things version.
No one wants non-bitter from me. I am a Curmudgeon.
Since you want to be a smart guy and pick my opinion apart-
I say they will probibly be moving on account of the location. Maybe you didn't remember it back in the rearly 90's when it first started out over there.
Since your an expert, how much are they paying in operating costs for that location? How much of an increase in costs has it been, and how much have the taxes increased since that location first started?
It tells me that Games Workshop head office is coming down to see how they can streamline thier operating costs.
It worked great in the brick and morter stores, so how would it work in the big dog house?
Remember this little ditty?
"Forge World and Black Library are two small and highly successful businesses which sell, respectively, specialist resin
kits and books based on the worlds of Warhammer and Warhammer 40,000 to Games Workshop hobbyists. Both
businesses have seen strong growth this year, reflecting both the quality of the management and the underlying health of
the Games Workshop Hobby.
Our gross margin strengthened in the second half as we benefited from the metal price increase that we implemented in
the autumn and further cost reductions in our manufacturing and supply chain. Raw material prices have returned to
more normal levels in the second half but we continue to invest in converting more of our range to plastic, both to
improve the quality of the models and make us less sensitive to metal cost fluctuations.
The last few years have reminded us how important it is to be cost conscious and we have made good progress in
restoring this cost saving culture across the business. We have reduced staffing levels in our Hobby centres by adjusting
opening hours to better reflect when our hobbyists are available to play. We have limited our property cost increases by
better planned rent negotiations and relocations to lower cost premises when possible. Our new web store has improved
efficiency in processing orders and allowed us to slim down our direct sales teams. We also closed our Canadian office
and relocated our Italian office to more modest premises outside Rome.
Investment has been focused on two key drivers of performance, opening more Hobby centres, which increased from 334
to 355, and developing more plastic injection tools. These two areas will remain the focus of future investment. Other
non-essential capital expenditure has been cut back. In addition, we have implemented automatic stock replenishment
and streamlined product ranges into our UK and North American Hobby centres to improve our control of working
capital. This is being rolled out into Europe next year." - Games Workshop 2009 Investors Download, Annual Report
Which, bottom line up front is that I surmise that Games Workshop is in all probibility looking to either negotiate thier taxes, or find another location, as well as put on the motivation boots and start kicking thier North American operation.
I saw that Darth Vader film and that is EXACTLY what I thought with the news of him going to Glenn Burnie FOR 3 MONTHS.
If you think he's going there for a holiday, you are mistaken. As with most businesses that are figuring out what is and isn't working, good and bad. This guy is going there for observation purposes. If he doesn't like what he sees, he's going to cut off a few heads, make changes, and report back to head office.
HOW DO I KNOW??? BECAUSE I'VE HAD TO DO THEM MYSELF in a similar capacity.
As for Me.
I DID go in the wrong way. I went under the assumption that it was in BALTIMORE. Not Glenn Burnie, which is HOW FAR AWAY AGAIN?
I went to Glenn Burnie a few times. I go there by going up 301, YOU say you are from thier, but that doesn't do anything for someone who goes there maybe once in every couple of years. OF COURSE you have your way of going.
I went in the days before mapquest, google, and all of the other high speed locators. I did it the old fasioned way, I took a map and followed it.
I'm about as impressed with your remarks as you are mine, so here is Google, go there whoever wants to and look for yourself.
Pay special attention on how special BALTIMORE looks as compared to Glenn Burnie.
When I went through there, I ended up on 97, went down the wrong way, ended up in the city, came back around, ended up missing the damn turn, and then went in there.
They didn't have anything special there, your description is haphazard at best, seeing as it is an office park, you go in the door, there is a retail area, the battle bunker area, and offices.
compaired to what to expect? It looks like what it looks like,
An industrial park. they push product, they have offices, and they have the front sales area with walls with stuff on them and glass cases with new and upcoming models.
When I was there, it was static. If the changed it, then great, they changed it.
I was there two years ago. Aside from the upbuilding of the area, it looked the same.
Corperate. static, and industrial.
Not like you would expect the Games Workshop North American Headquarters.
My opinion is mine. YOU haven't retorted anything to Change it. All you did was make some smart guy comments and really are not saying anything in reply to my post.
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