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But then you're not playing an Action RPG, are you? Then you're playing an FPRTS (First-Person Real Time Strategy). At least, that's what I'd consider the Battlefront games.

metallifan wrote:But then you're not playing an Action RPG, are you? Then you're playing an FPRTS (First-Person Real Time Strategy). At least, that's what I'd consider the Battlefront games.

Gak!!!!! Again I see I have to concede my defeat.

But I don't know...its just...it seems to me like they are glorifing the space marines WWAAYY to far with this game....I mean unless your a Captain of the chapter....then hell.....this game is an understatement.....

Do you know what kind of marine he is? Grunt, Squad Leader, Captain Etc.

And I'm sorry if I got the rankings of the Space Marines wrong but I'm more of a Guardsmen kinda guy, and there fore don't know that much about the space marine rankings.

I believe the marines in the game are Vet Sergeants on a special assignment.

Of course it glorifies marines. They're GW's Glory-Hogs. Not to mention, they're Ultramarines, and "Ultramarines kill aliens and always win and don't scared of anything! HURRR!". It won't follow the formula of battlefront or other FPS-RTS games because it's an RPG. It's more focused on telling a story than just outright killing enemies. Although that is the game's main activity, it's not what it's really -about-.

When you say Ultramarines you mean the Chapter right? because I know that ultramarines is a general term for Space marines and there is also a chapter Ultramarines.

I did not know they were focused on telling a story! Thanks for that!

You know....from what I know of Space Marines. They should have chosen the Space Wolves(I can't remember their name fully right now if thats not it) for it....I mean their commander rides a FETHING GIANT WOLF!!!!!! I as a Commissar Character would have to take some morale checks from that!


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When you say Ultramarines you mean the Chapter right? because I know that ultramarines is a general term for Space marines and there is also a chapter Ultramarines.

I did not know they were focused on telling a story! Thanks for that!

You know....from what I know of Space Marines. They should have chosen the Space Wolves(I can't remember their name fully right now if thats not it) for it....I mean their commander rides a FETHING GIANT WOLF!!!!!! I as a Commissar Character would have to take some morale checks from that!

Ultramarines are the Chaper. Space Marines is the general term for... yea. Space Marines. Ultramarines are just GW's "LOLPOSTERBOYZROFL"

"Great Wolf" Is his title. He's not actually a giant wolf. Google "Logan Grimnar"

Okay Thanks for Clarifying that for me.
OKay Okay I know what I thought wrong.....I was in the Lexicanum and was looking up a Ship and in the description it mentioned the Ultramarines so thats where I got that from.

Thanks for that....I hope I never have to fight him(makes me kinda glad that as far as I know he isn't real).
do you fight with space marines? if so are there multiple commanders under the chapter master? because at GW's site I've seen a Space wolf commander being baddass and riding a massive Wolf.

There are (As far as the Codex Astartes states anyway) up to 9 standard companies of (up to)100 men, and 1 Scout Company that has no limit on numbers. Each Company is led by a Captain, and that Captain takes orders from the Chapter Master or his appointed Castellan, in his absence.

Many Chapters have long since passed the limit in numbers to one degree or another. The most well-known of these deviant chapters is the Black Templars, who are last known to be close to Legion strength of 10,000, with 100 Companies of Marines. A fact that has drawn the bad side of the Inquisition's attention more than once, but their zealous devotion (even by Marine standards), and their endless Crusading against the Orks has saved them every time.

You fight as the members of a 4 man Ultramarines team that would appear to have been dropped behind enemy lines for some special task or another.

That is pretty darn amazing! Thank you a bunch for that info.
Wow.
Now knowing what I know....I can't wait for Space marine!
Thanks for that info.

No trouble. And if you're still worried about Marines taking on crowds of Orks at a time, just do some digging on both Power Armour, and a Marine's internal anatomy.

Power Armour is like taking a suit of synthetic muscle fibre and wiring, puuting mesh on it, putting plating over the mesh, then hydraulics over that, then a thin layer of a Ceramic/Rockcrete (Like Asphault only more heavy duty) over THAT, then Adamantium (A kind of metal) on the top. Then paint it in the Chapter Colours.

Good luck getting through it with the standard Choppa without hitting a joint or other vulnerable area.

Not to mention, Space Marines have at least 2 of every vital organ. Hell, they have 3 Hearts, and old fluff penned them with 4 Lungs, though I believe GW dropped one in 4th/5th Ed.

Basically, these guys can suffer multiple wounds from blunt trauma, small arms fire, and close combat, and shrug it all off. So putting them in an Action RPG like this works quite well.

Yea I remember reading about their power Armour and wishing I could get some... and yea I think thats pretty crazy how they have multiple lungs.
I'd have to say. If I wasn't so into the Guard I'd definitely be all about those guys.

Yeah, 2 hearts, 4 lungs, an extra stomach, better ears as to not get dizzy, and the ultrasmurfs are the only chapter that can still spit acid.

Inquisitor Lord Bane wrote:Yeah, 2 hearts, 4 lungs, an extra stomach, better ears as to not get dizzy, and the ultrasmurfs are the only chapter that can still spit acid.

-_- ...are you pulling my leg with the Ultrasmurfs? I can't tell if your being serious or not.....well I look it up....so don't lie. I am a commissar after all.

I believe they've added a 3rd Heart actually. And -all- Space Marines still have acid in their saliva. Not just Ultramarines.

Did they ever confirm that they were using Ultramarines for the game? I remember reading that they were being used just as an example of a chapter to use for the purposes of screenshots and video - the real chapter was going to be something else. (Although, knowing the rest of the 40k games, probably Blood Ravens. Because obviously they're the only chapter out there appropriate for video games. - /sarcasm)

Why would they go through the effort of making the CGI films with the Ultras then?

Also, Ultras were in Winter Assault. And Chaos Gate. And Final Liberation. And Fire Warrior *Shudder*. So BR aren't the only ones with some virtual fame.

metallifan wrote:Why would they go through the effort of making the CGI films with the Ultras then?

Also, Ultras were in Winter Assault. And Chaos Gate. And Final Liberation. And Fire Warrior *Shudder*. So BR aren't the only ones with some virtual fame.

I'll give you those - never played any of the older games (Started with Dawn of War). And while Ultras were in Winter Assault, IIRC they played a minor role in the storyline (Escorting the Princeps and his crew for the Titan). My point was, Blood Ravens are the virtual poster boys of GW and Relic (Dawn of War, Dark Crusade, Soulstorm, and Dawn of War 2 all featured Blood Ravens as the main characters).

Well yea but the Blood Ravens were never that really Badass....If I recall in Winter Assault If thats the right one I remember seeing the Chaplain kick the Gak out of a BLOODTHIRSTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That was pretty Badass....I'd be nice to see some Ultramarines doing crazy gak like that!.....and the Chaplain was an Ultramarine although I'm not saying all Chaplains aren't that amazing.
Did anyone ever beat Fire Warrior? I got to the last part but I never had enough ammo if I recall and keep losing so I just quite it cause i'd have to start ALL the way over if I wanted to beat it. I've seen the ending video I just want to know if anyone ever fully played it through.

I did. Took me a whole f**kload of cursing, several hours, and many failed attempts to figure out that you had to shoot the Changer of Ways in a certain spot at a certain time in the fight to hurt him. Most annoying gak EVER.

Lol...well hey....you can at least say you beat it.....I thought the concept of the game was pretty damn cool....although one random tau warrior could NEVER do that!

Commissar NIkev wrote:Lol...well hey....you can at least say you beat it.....I thought the concept of the game was pretty damn cool....although one random tau warrior could NEVER do that!

If you think the game is unrealistic, wait till you read the book. It's the most revolting, hideous thing to have spawned from literature hell. At one point, Kais slides through a Space Marine's legs and another Space Marine ends up shooting him (Marine) instead of the Tau. I mean, What...The...F**k?

metallifan wrote:
If you think the game is unrealistic, wait till you read the book. It's the most revolting, hideous thing to have spawned from literature hell. At one point, Kais slides through a Space Marine's legs and another Space Marine ends up shooting him (Marine) instead of the Tau. I mean, What...The...F**k?

-_- .....wow that is Literature Gak.......I'm glad I didn't read it cause it'd probably make me want to knock some heads......well.....considering I was much younger than I am now and back then games were mostly kill kill kill for someone as young as me.......I probably would have liked it.....but now.....Feth no.

I'm glad we have authors like Dan Abnett! without authors like him I can only say that I think the Warhammer literature series would be not in the toilet no.....but in the sewers.

I think I'm getting close. I got past the point where you actually team up with the Space Marines ( ing I hate fighting Marines. The only way to beat 'em is to get up close and unleash bolter hell on them, since your advanced, powerful Tau weaponry does exactly dick) and I think I got to a point where I had to evacuate the ship by getting to an escape pod or something. Never finished it because I got near the end and couldn't figure out how to go forward. And when I died and had to start over, I just said "Feth it." and went on to play something else.

I'm now curious to read this book just to see how bad it really is. Hearing that Kais apparently manages to slide through a marine's legs and get his buddy to shoot him makes me want to see for myself how bad it is.

Locclo wrote:I think I'm getting close. I got past the point where you actually team up with the Space Marines ( ing I hate fighting Marines. The only way to beat 'em is to get up close and unleash bolter hell on them, since your advanced, powerful Tau weaponry does exactly dick) and I think I got to a point where I had to evacuate the ship by getting to an escape pod or something. Never finished it because I got near the end and couldn't figure out how to go forward. And when I died and had to start over, I just said "Feth it." and went on to play something else.

I'm now curious to read this book just to see how bad it really is. Hearing that Kais apparently manages to slide through a marine's legs and get his buddy to shoot him makes me want to see for myself how bad it is.

It's written by Simon Spurrier. He's basically a Goto Wannabe. Yea. C.S. - Fething MultiLaz0rZ - Goto is actually BETTER than this guy.

Just seen the trailer for this and all i have to say is... HOT DAMN! if the game play is anything like that trailer i can't wait for it, I've played DoW and enjoyed the Marines very much, but in Winter Assault i just did not like the fact that you didnt play them the only redeeming fact about it was that you got the play as Ork's and Chaos =D

Get dem oomies!

Dragonchef wrote:Just seen the trailer for this and all i have to say is... HOT DAMN! if the game play is anything like that trailer i can't wait for it, I've played DoW and enjoyed the Marines very much, but in Winter Assault i just did not like the fact that you didnt play them the only redeeming fact about it was that you got the play as Ork's and Chaos =D

Get dem oomies!

well you have to remember Winter Assault was about Imperial Guard(FETH YEA!!!!!!) so you its only natural they want you to play more of them.

metallifan wrote:I believe they've added a 3rd Heart actually. And -all- Space Marines still have acid in their saliva. Not just Ultramarines.

It states that that implant does not work for most chapters anymore, their gene-seed is mutated over time, so only the fists and smurfs still have all their functions. And I just checked the codex, still only 2 hearts

Inquisitor Lord Bane wrote:

metallifan wrote:I believe they've added a 3rd Heart actually. And -all- Space Marines still have acid in their saliva. Not just Ultramarines.

It states that that implant does not work for most chapters anymore, their gene-seed is mutated over time, so only the fists and smurfs still have all their functions. And I just checked the codex, still only 2 hearts

Fist can't spit acid and they cannot enter suspended animation.

Why can't they enter Suspended animation?

Soon... hopefully...... cant wait for it eveny if you have to a Smurf oh well at least you won't have to be a coward Blud Rhaven in the Methal Bwakes

Commissar NIkev wrote:Why can't they enter Suspended animation?

Their geneseed has a minor mutation that prevents their Sus-An membrane from forming.