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I have been dissapointed by all the AVP movies that i have lost hope and excitement for any new Predator movies -_-

I'd be the same, but I seriously like Rodriguez's work a lot. Sure he did Spy Kids, but he's also responsible for a lot of seriously cool stuff. Like Desperado and of course Dusk Til Dawn...

Is that the guy that did Planet Terror?

That's the man!

Aliens - an absolute sci-fi classic.
Alien - another absolute classic, only put after Aliens because the action focus of Aliens makes it more fun in subsequent viewings.
Predator - a really solid 80s action movie. There's a lot of pointless elements, but it's an 80s action film so you expect that.
Alien IV - up until the last ten minutes this is a really fun and gorgeous looking movie, but damn the last ten minutes suck.

(now the list turns from listing films on the grounds of their strengths to considering which have the least glaring weaknesses)

Alien III - there was talent and artistic intent in there, but its hard to think of many films more ruined by studio interference. The final movie is boring and almost incoherent.
Predator II - has even more excess and pointless elements than the first film, while adding nothing new. The film's biggest problem is that its pointless - why not just watch Predator again?
AvP Requiem - this movie is terrible. The technology used to for the Aliens and Predators was very skilled, and some of the fight scenes were alright but the rest was simply terrible. The plotting was so poor I'm left wondering if anyone involved had ever seen a movie before. And why the hell was it called Requiem?
AvP - this movie is also terrible. There's a bit more skill in the screenplay than AvP : R (almost none compared none whatsoever) but at least Requiem had fight scenes that made the creatures look pretty cool. The fights in AvP looked like the belonged in the WWF.



Robert Rodriquez has made some really solid films, and some real crap. The man loves his genre films, but self-aware genre stuff is a hard to pull off. Time will tell if this is any good, but at least they're giving the franchise to a guy with a decent record.

Darth Bob wrote:Someone obviously doesn't know jack-squat about Predators . . .

No, I simply choose not to fawn all over them.

In case you didn't notice, Predators will not kill those that cannot defend themselves, or pose no threat (the pregnant cop and "want some candy?" kid in predator 2, Anna in the first predator, Lex in AvP).

And here's the rub. Please explain to me how a man who doesn't know he's being hunted, doesn't realize he's in danger, cannot see the threat to him in order to fight back, and is grossly overmatched in terms of technology and firepower is capable of defending himself or remotely poses a threat to the Predator.

It's simple, they aren't on either count. Dutch was the first person in the entire first movie who actually posed any threat at all to the Predator. You can argue that their final fist fight was honorable but the first dozen+ people the Predator killed in the first movie weren't.

No one will argue that the man in a tree stand who pops a deer 300 yards away isn't a good shot or a good hunter. Honorable though? No. He was never in any danger and the animal in question was never able to fight back or even aware it was being hunted.

Tyyr wrote:

In case you didn't notice, Predators will not kill those that cannot defend themselves, or pose no threat (the pregnant cop and "want some candy?" kid in predator 2, Anna in the first predator, Lex in AvP).

And here's the rub. Please explain to me how a man who doesn't know he's being hunted, doesn't realize he's in danger, cannot see the threat to him in order to fight back, and is grossly overmatched in terms of technology and firepower is capable of defending himself or remotely poses a threat to the Predator.

It's simple, they aren't on either count. Dutch was the first person in the entire first movie who actually posed any threat at all to the Predator. You can argue that their final fist fight was honorable but the first dozen+ people the Predator killed in the first movie weren't.

No one will argue that the man in a tree stand who pops a deer 300 yards away isn't a good shot or a good hunter. Honorable though? No. He was never in any danger and the animal in question was never able to fight back or even aware it was being hunted.

It's not about 'honour', it's about killing 'potentially' dangerous prey. Pregnant human 'does' and 'fawns' are off the menu but an armed 'buck' is up for hunting. If any of those soldiers in Predator had seen the pred and fired their guns at it directly, they stood a realistic chance of killing it.

MeanGreenStompa wrote:

Tyyr wrote:

In case you didn't notice, Predators will not kill those that cannot defend themselves, or pose no threat (the pregnant cop and "want some candy?" kid in predator 2, Anna in the first predator, Lex in AvP).

And here's the rub. Please explain to me how a man who doesn't know he's being hunted, doesn't realize he's in danger, cannot see the threat to him in order to fight back, and is grossly overmatched in terms of technology and firepower is capable of defending himself or remotely poses a threat to the Predator.

It's simple, they aren't on either count. Dutch was the first person in the entire first movie who actually posed any threat at all to the Predator. You can argue that their final fist fight was honorable but the first dozen+ people the Predator killed in the first movie weren't.

No one will argue that the man in a tree stand who pops a deer 300 yards away isn't a good shot or a good hunter. Honorable though? No. He was never in any danger and the animal in question was never able to fight back or even aware it was being hunted.

It's not about 'honour', it's about killing 'potentially' dangerous prey. Pregnant human 'does' and 'fawns' are off the menu but an armed 'buck' is up for hunting. If any of those soldiers in Predator had seen the pred and fired their guns at it directly, they stood a realistic chance of killing it.

Agreed nothing in that struck me as honorable. It struck me as "my hunting license says I can only shoot mature bucks."

Frazzled wrote:

MeanGreenStompa wrote:

Tyyr wrote:

In case you didn't notice, Predators will not kill those that cannot defend themselves, or pose no threat (the pregnant cop and "want some candy?" kid in predator 2, Anna in the first predator, Lex in AvP).

And here's the rub. Please explain to me how a man who doesn't know he's being hunted, doesn't realize he's in danger, cannot see the threat to him in order to fight back, and is grossly overmatched in terms of technology and firepower is capable of defending himself or remotely poses a threat to the Predator.

It's simple, they aren't on either count. Dutch was the first person in the entire first movie who actually posed any threat at all to the Predator. You can argue that their final fist fight was honorable but the first dozen+ people the Predator killed in the first movie weren't.

No one will argue that the man in a tree stand who pops a deer 300 yards away isn't a good shot or a good hunter. Honorable though? No. He was never in any danger and the animal in question was never able to fight back or even aware it was being hunted.

It's not about 'honour', it's about killing 'potentially' dangerous prey. Pregnant human 'does' and 'fawns' are off the menu but an armed 'buck' is up for hunting. If any of those soldiers in Predator had seen the pred and fired their guns at it directly, they stood a realistic chance of killing it.

Agreed nothing in that struck me as honorable. It struck me as "my hunting license says I can only shoot mature bucks."

Sorry, but no, it's actually very much about honor.

Predator culture in general is based on the concept of The Hunt. Whereas humans stay in one place, the Predators were sort of "space nomads", so their culture revolves around the concept of hunting and stalking prey throughout the galaxy. The Predators value other predatory species as the most challenging targets - as a rite of passage into adulthood, each young male Predator trained for the hunt (the Unblooded class; as seen in AvP) must hunt and kill his first Alien as a symbol of him becoming an adult.

Failure in the Trial means death, while success means the Unblooded Predator is marked on the forehead with the Alien's blood, making them of the Young Blood class. This mark is both a symbol of respect and honor, and a sign of membership of a certain Clan - each mark is unique to a particular Clan, and used only by this group. Hunters who have held this title for an acceptable length of time are known as Blooded hunters. While they may seem ruthless or brutal (as you guys seem to think), the Predator warrior's behavior is actually controlled by a code of ethics. This code appears similar to human warriors codes such as bushido and chivalry in that it promotes bravery, honor, martial skill, and loyalty to the pack. Most Predator will not hunt or attack a creature it considers "weak" or unthreatening. When the Predator encounter their prey's females or young, they often spare them, considering it dishonorable to shed the blood of those who cannot defend themselves. The Warrior class (as seen in the first and second Predator films) are those who adhere to these beliefs and codes. The Warriors become solo hunters that use their high technology and travel the universe to find prey that will bring honor and reverence to their name. When a member of another species shows great honor or strength, there is often mutual respect towards them - but a Warrior would consider this a very worthy trophy (ala Dutch and Herrigan). Elders are the greatest Predator that have ever lived. Having survived a up to a thousand hunts, they consider honored fighters of other species as respected as their own kin. Elders have often let warriors of other species live after they have proven themselves honored warriors (like Lex in AvP, Machiko Noguchi from the books and comics, or even Herrigan at the end of Predator 2). This usually only occurs if the subject has killed a Predator or fought alongside in battle. There is also a common practice in these cases to maintain honor between the two species, which is the exchange of trophies.

On the other end of the spectrum, you have the criminals of the Predators; the Bad Bloods (those who have committed crimes such as murder, dishonourable hunting or failure in the hunt). If found to have brought dishonor, and the Yautja flees rather than accept punishment, there can be no forgiveness. Honored Predators (those who have earned more kills than the average hunter, and are skilled in all ways) and Arbitrators (Yautja law enforcement, mainly consisting of Elders who are bored with the hunt) are allowed to eliminate the outcasts on sight. Bad Bloods are never accepted back and travel aimlessly. Some are evil, hunting and slaying anything alive - even other Predators.

The fact is, Predators are an extremely honorable race that aren't even close to homocidal hillbillies hunting deer, as you seem to think. The Predator killed the other soldiers because they were armed, and, despite how adept they were with said gun, posed a threat and therefore were fair game (same with the civilians on the metro in the second film; although they weren't very dangerous, they still posed a recognizable threat by carrying a gun). He did not fight Arnie because he was the only threat (if that was true, only Dutch would have been hunted, because the Predator would not kill something that is not a threat to himself) he fought him because he felt a mutual respect with Dutch and wanted to challenge him to a fight on even ground, I.E. one-on-one -- fist-on-fist. I encourage you all to read the books and comics, as they shed light on the vague image that the Predators seem to have in the movies. In the books, there is even a human girl named Machiko Noguchi that actually lives amongst the Predators as an equal because she showed honorable tendencies by fighting the Aliens alongside a great Predator Elder, who marked her before he died. This concept was later "replicated" (and screwed up, in my opinion) in the first AvP film when Scar marks Lex. This is a bit off, however, as a Young Blood doesn't have the social standing to mark another, only the Elders hold that privilege.

Sorry if I seem nitpicky; I'm a stickler when it comes to innaccuracies about the Alien, Predator, and AvP series'. I've been a diehard fan since I was like five years old. I'm like a Trekkie for AvP.

I 100% agree with you there Darth Bob , everything Predator do is about honor , cuz you know they have nothing better to do then Hunting Game all day anyways lol.

Basically they respect "worthy" opponents , children or enemies in weaken states they'll usually ignore.

But they also have zero compassion for the weak ( as in worthless like cowards , or weak adults ) , which they can care less and just plasma canon them to death from far.

Worthy opponents they'll usually end it in a duel with wrist blades.

Ahhh why not...

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