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Yes, and Courage and Honor showed a dreadnought chasing down a crisis suit, and Tau crisis suits were at their deadliest when wielding their... giant...swords... WTF.
Black Library novels are not fluff, they're something to prop up a table with a short leg.
Not fluff?
Sorry, whining when your part of the fluff isn't as you like it doesn't make it go away and i do believe everyone has to take the good and the bad of the background.
4M2A wrote:Even if they become lesser citizens to the tau they would still have a much better life than on an imperial planet.
Everyone says that they are weak because of lower numbers but you need to consider that the Tau empire is expanding rapidly, and that tau tactics don't rely on numbers hit and run warfare has a lot less casulties than just sending in wave after wave. Also as they actualy care about the normal soldiers they keep losses as low as possible. Tau are also one of the best chances against the nids. Hit and run style minimalises the amount of biomass the nids get to eat and as they regularly adapt it's hard for the nids to keep up with them.
IIRC there is no real description of non-Tau citizens life. Just propaganda, and thus as viable as the DoW quote.
Would prefer if people read the whole story, cause Tau survived against the nids when the IG chimed in and the nids weren't able to adapt to 2 different types of opponents.
The nid-dex seems to hint on the eastern fringe as a sideshow, so the Tau empire may not be in the focus of the hungry hive-mind.
OTOH, in this nid-dex the Yngir are the only ones they shy away from and in the end those undead soulless hordes and their stargods may be the key to defeat the hive mind.
But if BL is acceptable, there is a reference in "sons of Dorn" about the IF marine ( who was in the Tau codex ) and he mentions
the slaugthering of the whole human population at the hands of the Tau.
Still, cleanse and purify goes both ways....
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H.B.M.C :
We were wrong. It's not the 40k End Times. It's the Trademarkening.
Yes, and Courage and Honor showed a dreadnought chasing down a crisis suit, and Tau crisis suits were at their deadliest when wielding their... giant...swords... WTF.
Black Library novels are not fluff, they're something to prop up a table with a short leg.
Not fluff?
Sorry, whining when your part of the fluff isn't as you like it doesn't make it go away and i do believe everyone has to take the good and the bad of the background.
Who's whining? We, Tau players, wish it was true! I'd love to put swords on my crisis suits.
Six mistakes mankind keeps making century after century: Believing that personal gain is made by crushing others; Worrying about things that cannot be changed or corrected; Insisting that a thing is impossible because we cannot accomplish it; Refusing to set aside trivial preferences; Neglecting development and refinement of the mind; Attempting to compel others to believe and live as we do
Yes, and Courage and Honor showed a dreadnought chasing down a crisis suit, and Tau crisis suits were at their deadliest when wielding their... giant...swords... WTF.
Black Library novels are not fluff, they're something to prop up a table with a short leg.
Not fluff?
Sorry, whining when your part of the fluff isn't as you like it doesn't make it go away and i do believe everyone has to take the good and the bad of the background.
Who's whining? We, Tau players, wish it was true! I'd love to put swords on my crisis suits.
Buy multiple farsights?
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In dedicatio imperatum ultra articulo mortis.
H.B.M.C :
We were wrong. It's not the 40k End Times. It's the Trademarkening.
Six mistakes mankind keeps making century after century: Believing that personal gain is made by crushing others; Worrying about things that cannot be changed or corrected; Insisting that a thing is impossible because we cannot accomplish it; Refusing to set aside trivial preferences; Neglecting development and refinement of the mind; Attempting to compel others to believe and live as we do
Yes, and Courage and Honor showed a dreadnought chasing down a crisis suit, and Tau crisis suits were at their deadliest when wielding their... giant...swords... WTF.
Black Library novels are not fluff, they're something to prop up a table with a short leg.
Not fluff?
Sorry, whining when your part of the fluff isn't as you like it doesn't make it go away and i do believe everyone has to take the good and the bad of the background.
If you don't know what's wrong with sword wielding crisis suits not piloted by someone named O'Shovah, then you don't know Tau fluff. Which seems to put you in the same category as Graham McNeill.
If it makes you feel any better, I have the same view of Fire Warrior in which a single fire warrior fresh from training wtfpwns every space marine and demon prince he comes across.
40K: The game where bringing a knife to a gun fight means you win.
The Tau provide a badly needed change of pace from the Enslave/Kill Everyone Else motivations and behaviour of all the other factions.
That is exactly why the original designers' wrote them up as fairly nice. They're not saints, but they're basically no more evil than 19th century western nations.
40K has become increasingly dull and featureless due to the excessive grimdarkness of everything.
@Happygrunt: Do yourself a favour and read the original sources (Codex, Imperial Armour, For the Emperor). Most posters here seem to have never read any original Tau background texts ... or they deliberately hide that fact. You will make yourself ridiculous if you have blind faith in all the statements of this thread, half of them repeating bad rumours that can be easily proven wrong with only minimal effort by just reading the original texts.
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Six mistakes mankind keeps making century after century: Believing that personal gain is made by crushing others; Worrying about things that cannot be changed or corrected; Insisting that a thing is impossible because we cannot accomplish it; Refusing to set aside trivial preferences; Neglecting development and refinement of the mind; Attempting to compel others to believe and live as we do
Yes, and Courage and Honor showed a dreadnought chasing down a crisis suit, and Tau crisis suits were at their deadliest when wielding their... giant...swords... WTF.
Black Library novels are not fluff, they're something to prop up a table with a short leg.
Not fluff?
Sorry, whining when your part of the fluff isn't as you like it doesn't make it go away and i do believe everyone has to take the good and the bad of the background.
If you don't know what's wrong with sword wielding crisis suits not piloted by someone named O'Shovah, then you don't know Tau fluff. Which seems to put you in the same category as Graham McNeill.
If it makes you feel any better, I have the same view of Fire Warrior in which a single fire warrior fresh from training wtfpwns every space marine and demon prince he comes across.
Putting me into the same category as McNeill isn't bad, would worry if you said CS goto.......
And since you mentioned it, Firewarrior is the Tau fluff which I abhor and would never spent a cent for.
The second Tau dex was a bit awful in fluff but got saved lately , when the nids arrived.
N° 1 contender of Autowin = hivemind. So why do I even bother to field anything that isn't a tyranid? IMOGW is falling for the: "bigger is better and dark isn't grimdark enough" trap actually. We'll see where it leads to, in april.
But i am still interested in the subject so:
- taking over eldar maiden world
- taking over ork infested planet
- taking over necron tomb world
- taking over demon world
- taking over chaos infested planet
- taking over non human world
is done how?
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H.B.M.C :
We were wrong. It's not the 40k End Times. It's the Trademarkening.
I think KillKrazy got it right. Without hope the whole 40k setting becomes a bit boring, everyone is entirely resigned to the fact that everything is evil and there isn't anything you can do about it. Having a "good" ( I mean our version of good, not Imperial good) side that's fighting against overwhelming odds makes it more grimdark because the galaxy has a chance but it's disappearing.
Step 1: Throw party for Necrons
Step 2: Get massacred
Step 3: Profit?
By far the funniest thing in the new Nids codex. I can't even be mad about it because it's so funny and classic Tau, who always seem to have to have a disastrous first meeting with the other races before fighting back.
40K: The game where bringing a knife to a gun fight means you win.
- taking over eldar maiden world
- taking over ork infested planet
- taking over necron tomb world
- taking over demon world
- taking over chaos infested planet
- taking over non human world
is done how?
That's interesting. Tau let conquered peoples follow any belief system/religion that they want as long as they pay lip service to the greater good. They know the kroot are cannibals but they tolerate that because of the contribution they provide to the empire.
I would say that any world would be offered an opportunity to join the empire and if they attacked the tau or declined they would be invaded/erradicated.
The thing to keep in mind here is that the Tau aren't meant to be the equivalent of lawful-good (D&D term) in a Chaotic-Evil universe, they're more Lawful-Neutral. I mean, read the apoc. rules; they have those planet killer missiles for a reason. Like I mentioned earlier, they're very Roman Empire minded, "you're either with us or against us.."
Six mistakes mankind keeps making century after century: Believing that personal gain is made by crushing others; Worrying about things that cannot be changed or corrected; Insisting that a thing is impossible because we cannot accomplish it; Refusing to set aside trivial preferences; Neglecting development and refinement of the mind; Attempting to compel others to believe and live as we do
The problem with the BL books from a fluff standpoint, is they are over exaggerated for the protagonist. And since almost every book has the IoM as the protagonist, it makes every alien race they run into about as effective as a limp noodle.
McNeill was one of the authors of the first Tau Codex, however anyone who has Crisis suits killing more marines with swords than with shooting, is clearly ignoring one of the primary tenants of Tau fluff.
Or you can amuse yourself with a 15 page rant on the book here
40K: The game where bringing a knife to a gun fight means you win.
- taking over eldar maiden world
- taking over ork infested planet
- taking over necron tomb world
- taking over demon world
- taking over chaos infested planet
- taking over non human world
is done how?
*Getting into Tau mindset*
Tau would essentially rate the world they are targeting for colonial expansion for several factors:
Inhabitants present.
Territorial proximity to empire's borders.
World's habitability and Resources.
Given the Tau are more interested in spreading the Greater Good, I believe the first factor is most critical. Based on Tau experiences with other races, it is fair to say that Tau would be most likely hostile to almost all of the above. Orks, Chaos, and demons are on the list of impossible to reason with for the Tau. Ergo, the Tau would most likely conduct a mission of annihilation against all the inhabitants of the planet in question, depending on how feasible it would be to do so. Tau aren't stupid. If they see a losing battle, they will not enter a war of attrition for the sake of a fight. Tau are probably now very hesitant to conduct any diplomatic relations with the Necrons after a particular incident depicted in the Tyranid codex (but that remains to be seen, as most Tau were destroyed in the assault). Obtaining a Necron tomb world would probably consume too many resources to accomplish and ergo avoided at all cost (provided the Tau know it is a tomb world. If it awakens while Tau are on it, depending on how far into the Empire it is or how rich in resources/strategically located, it may be abandoned all together). Eldar maiden worlds are off limits period. If the Eldar inhabit the world, those Eldar nearby would do everything in their power to keep the Tau out, and the Tau would have to realize the consequences of obtaining this world for the Empire would be dire if they were to claim it. Finally, for a nonhuman world, if the inhabitants have had no prior contact with the Tau, I would assume a scenario in which the Tau would infiltrate their society via the way they expanded into the eastern fringe of the Imperium of Man; dimplomatic and trade missions eventually culminating into a peaceful transition into the folds of the empire.
Now, all these expansions into different worlds are based on how close these worlds are to the Empire's intergalactic borders. Because Tau ships cannot transport themselves in the Warp the same way other races can, they are limited the breadth and scope to which their empire could expand. Obviously, a world too far away is hardly considered prime real estate for the Empire to expand to.
Lastly, a world rich in resources and located in a strategic star system would be considered a vital target by the Tau.
I honestly think that the Tau would try to absorb a chaos worshipping planet, what with the whole religious freedom/ok with cannibalisim thing they have going. The cultist may actually agree. How well this would turn out is questionable.
As to the equipment question, I would suppose that if it surrendered peacefully there would be a healthybmix of imperial and tau gear, depending on how long they had been trading for.
6000 points IG, Leviathins 8th company, (store regiment) 60% painted 4500 points Empire 80-90% painted!
2500 Ogres 2% painted
WIP Biker Battle Company 95% painted
2500 Points Isstavan Drop site massacre Iron Hands (still waiting for dat codex) I managed to play a 1750 point game with minimal proxieing on the first day DE came out. go me!
The Gutterballers, a relatively successfull BloodBowl team
Oh, and Howard's Faildar
Grey Templar wrote:
The real reason Obi-wan said there was a "disturbance in the force" was that was the very moment Shas'o vera was born. it was so awsome and terrible it could be felt through time and across the dimensions.
"Millions of voices cried out in Terror, and were suddenly silenced"
yes, we shall give them pie worthy of their race, which isn't very good quality
Grey Templar wrote:
The real reason Obi-wan said there was a "disturbance in the force" was that was the very moment Shas'o vera was born. it was so awsome and terrible it could be felt through time and across the dimensions.
"Millions of voices cried out in Terror, and were suddenly silenced"
Klawz wrote:They convert as many humans as possible to the greater good, kill off the rest, and begin importing (earth-caste mostly) tau to build new stuff. The humans who survieved become 2nd-class citizens.
So killing people and taking over their homeworld is the greater good? Wow Chaos must be like angels
Henners91 wrote:If you consider the DoW games to be fluff-relevant, this pretty much answers the OP's question with one shot:
Well, not quite, as I already said.
In 40k history, this planet was never taken by Tau, so this ending can't be part of 40k background (PC games have to offer endings for all possible outcomes, so this was unavoidable). Nevertheless, watching this video, even the Imperial reporter sees the separate camps for men and women as the reason for the decreasing population and the sterilization only as an additional possibility, not a fact as many have falsely proposed in this thread.
BTW, the massive colonisation of Imperial planets by Tau AND Kroot, making humans a minority, is not supported to that extend by official fluff. Remember, Tau populations grow slowly and wouldn't have the numbers to colonise or even dominate by force so many planets. And Kroot are also not known to colonize planets.
kravus master of Horus wrote:
Klawz wrote:They convert as many humans as possible to the greater good, kill off the rest, and begin importing (earth-caste mostly) tau to build new stuff. The humans who survieved become 2nd-class citizens.
So killing people and taking over their homeworld is the greater good? Wow Chaos must be like angels
No, of course not. Just another post deliberately inventing false stuff and ignoring the designer notes and other background material. Ask him for evidence and he will leave this thread in shame
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shas'o vera wrote:yes, we shall give them pie worthy of their race, which isn't very good quality
So pie that gets you a blue face is all you have?
I rather refrain from your offer of beer then....
Instead, we shall cleanse the galaxy of the offenders of good taste.
yes but i am tau, for the greater food!!
Grey Templar wrote:
The real reason Obi-wan said there was a "disturbance in the force" was that was the very moment Shas'o vera was born. it was so awsome and terrible it could be felt through time and across the dimensions.
"Millions of voices cried out in Terror, and were suddenly silenced"
Henners91 wrote:If you consider the DoW games to be fluff-relevant, this pretty much answers the OP's question with one shot:
Well, not quite, as I already said.
In 40k history, this planet was never taken by Tau, so this ending can't be part of 40k background (PC games have to offer endings for all possible outcomes, so this was unavoidable). Nevertheless, watching this video, even the Imperial reporter sees the separate camps for men and women as the reason for the decreasing population and the sterilization only as an additional possibility, not a fact as many have falsely proposed in this thread.
BTW, the massive colonisation of Imperial planets by Tau AND Kroot, making humans a minority, is not supported to that extend by official fluff. Remember, Tau populations grow slowly and wouldn't have the numbers to colonise or even dominate by force so many planets. And Kroot are also not known to colonize planets.
kravus master of Horus wrote:
Klawz wrote:They convert as many humans as possible to the greater good, kill off the rest, and begin importing (earth-caste mostly) tau to build new stuff. The humans who survieved become 2nd-class citizens.
So killing people and taking over their homeworld is the greater good? Wow Chaos must be like angels
No, of course not. Just another post deliberately inventing false stuff and ignoring the designer notes and other background material. Ask him for evidence and he will leave this thread in shame
I'd still consider it an insight into how they might look upon humans of questionable loyalty: And single-gender camps is obviously a pretty deliberate way to stop breeding
Plus, the Tau don't expand rapidly, they expand in phases, meaning that they do have the capability to colonise planets fully if they bide their time.
Henners91 wrote:If you consider the DoW games to be fluff-relevant, this pretty much answers the OP's question with one shot:
Well, not quite, as I already said.
In 40k history, this planet was never taken by Tau, so this ending can't be part of 40k background (PC games have to offer endings for all possible outcomes, so this was unavoidable). Nevertheless, watching this video, even the Imperial reporter sees the separate camps for men and women as the reason for the decreasing population and the sterilization only as an additional possibility, not a fact as many have falsely proposed in this thread.
BTW, the massive colonisation of Imperial planets by Tau AND Kroot, making humans a minority, is not supported to that extend by official fluff. Remember, Tau populations grow slowly and wouldn't have the numbers to colonise or even dominate by force so many planets. And Kroot are also not known to colonize planets.
kravus master of Horus wrote:
Klawz wrote:They convert as many humans as possible to the greater good, kill off the rest, and begin importing (earth-caste mostly) tau to build new stuff. The humans who survieved become 2nd-class citizens.
So killing people and taking over their homeworld is the greater good? Wow Chaos must be like angels
No, of course not. Just another post deliberately inventing false stuff and ignoring the designer notes and other background material. Ask him for evidence and he will leave this thread in shame
I'd still consider it an insight into how they might look upon humans of questionable loyalty: And single-gender camps is obviously a pretty deliberate way to stop breeding
Plus, the Tau don't expand rapidly, they expand in phases, meaning that they do have the capability to colonise planets fully if they bide their time.
The clips says the humans who revolted against Tau rule, after having previously accepted it (under duress, perhaps, but then their revolt would also have been under duress by the Imperium) were put into prison camps. It is standard IRL for prisons to be sexually segregated.
Just accept that 40K is a crappy time to be alive.
The clips says the humans who revolted against Tau rule, after having previously accepted it (under duress, perhaps, but then their revolt would also have been under duress by the Imperium) were put into prison camps. It is standard IRL for prisons to be sexually segregated.
Just accept that 40K is a crappy time to be alive.
Who said the 41st millenium is good times?
Putting the native population into "camps" isn't different from other xeno races ( necron gather whom they harvest, orks use the
defeated as workforce, chaos does sacrifice or enslave ) and so its a slow death, instead of the quick one served by the IoM.
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H.B.M.C :
We were wrong. It's not the 40k End Times. It's the Trademarkening.
2000 Orks
1500 Tau 
go me!
