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Space Marine helmets are marvels of technology with autosenses, noise reduction/filters, HUD information, squad status and probably a ton of other crap (satellite tv?). They also have rebreathers for toxic environments and chemical weapons... AND, even if a helmet won't stop a direct shot from a particular weapon... you can be damn sure it will protect your head from ricochets and shrapnel which can be just as deadly.

Except in very special circumstances I feel it's idiotic for a space marine to not wear their helmet.

All the marines in my chapter have their helmets on.

True,question why do people suddenly stop posting after a little time on the forum?You have only 40 posts?

I just don't have a lot to say most of the time. I read lots and lots and only say something when I feel strongly about it or have some insight that hasn't yet been provided (or to answer direct questions lol)

Locclo wrote:The book Fulgrim kind of points out why sergeants wouldn't wear helmets - because (Depending on the army) if a shot hits you in the head, you're going to die or get seriously injured, helmet or not.

That doesn't make much sense. Even a modern Kevlar helmet protects from shrapnel and long-ranged or low-caliber shots, not to mention blows! I imagine that a Space Marine's advanced power armor helmet can protect him from a direct hit to the head, at least a hit from a (comparatively) low-powered weapon like a lasgun.

sniperjolly wrote:So that they CAN SEE THE SNIPERS![\gears of war reference]

Haha we all know what happens if you cant

n0t_u wrote:So that's why Terminators just walk through walls instead of opening doors

If you look in the back of the Rhino, you'll notice a TV. Because the Vindicator is based on the Rhino's model, it has the TV as well. That way you can blame missed shots on the aimer, as his stories were on.

Haha I can see that now.....

Marine Driver: What the hell are y...
Marine Gunner: SHHH!!! Jayne is about to find out Bob cheated on her with Rose

Oshova wrote:Yeah a Space Wolf's senses are better than any technology, so taking off the helmet would help with that . . . but then you're also not very likely to be shot at when you're tracking lol

Oshova

Unless I want you to track me, right into a trap

Little lord Fauntleroy wrote:Removing the helmets improve's their screaming abilities, deafning the enemy. Taktical y'see .

Haha, even Creed would approve of and agree with that

The reasons seargents and captains don't wear helmets is purely aesthetic (At least, model wise). It distinguishes that particular model from the others in the squad/army. It has nothing to do with acuteness of senses (IMHO)

The fluff in the books just tries to justify this.

Because there too awesome to wear helmets.(Space Wolves?)

Ok but seriously, the SM helmet is probably the most important part of his gear. Why not use it?

I'd give the sergeants helmets, except for SW where it makes some sense.

Irony.

SilverMK2 wrote:Unless they are on a lava world, in which case they would be pretty damn hot.

But wouldn't they take special cooling mechanisms so they're not burned to a crisp?

sniperjolly wrote:So that they CAN SEE THE SNIPERS![\gears of war reference]

HAHAHAHA!

So space marines can be even bigger mary sues!

The rule of badass.

Hey I've never thought about that! I think it's because normally SM with no helmets are sergeants or something more important, so they have more experience then other SM.

Cause they are noot scrubs for the important characters.


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Are you forgetting that the marines power armour can easy stop a bullet.

For the most part leaders dont wear helmets so their squad can easily identify them and from a tactical veiw they are more likely to be shot at prelonging the life of its squad.

And this is not because they are damagethey get some new armour every time they go into battle.

Is it realy that unclear, the best of them dont need helmets if they stare hard enough and the bullets run away out of fear

Man are you guys confused! All the sergeants ARE wearing helmets, but the helmets are shaped like bald, sergeanty heads. It's a badge of honor.

I seem to remember ragnar's scout sargeant getting shot in the head mid "roar" and just dropping but not actually being dead. He was crippled, but still if he can take a shot to the face, have a chunk of his brain blown out, and still be able to talk, then i'm gonna have to assume that the ceramite they replace space marines skeletons with can probably deflect a lasbolt or an autogun round if it hits them in the skull and not the neck, considering that power armor is made of the same stuff their bones are.

iamthecougar wrote:I seem to remember ragnar's scout sargeant getting shot in the head mid "roar" and just dropping but not actually being dead. He was crippled, but still if he can take a shot to the face, have a chunk of his brain blown out, and still be able to talk, then i'm gonna have to assume that the ceramite they replace space marines skeletons with can probably deflect a lasbolt or an autogun round if it hits them in the skull and not the neck, considering that power armor is made of the same stuff their bones are.

Yes, but if he'd had a helmet on he could have likely skipped the whole 'on the ground crippled and missing part of his brain' bit.

Cryonicleech wrote:The reasons seargents and captains don't wear helmets is purely aesthetic (At least, model wise). It distinguishes that particular model from the others in the squad/army. It has nothing to do with acuteness of senses (IMHO)

The fluff in the books just tries to justify this.

+1

does make it easier to tell the sarge's from the regular marines, especially since most sarge's don't have the banner poles on the backpacks any more

Cryonicleech wrote:The reasons seargents and captains don't wear helmets is purely aesthetic (At least, model wise). It distinguishes that particular model from the others in the squad/army. It has nothing to do with acuteness of senses (IMHO)

The fluff in the books just tries to justify this.

Except Space Wolves, who not only in fluff have senses better than the technology in the helmets, but also (in game) have the Universal Special Rule "Acute Senses"

Its a fatal flaw, not in the armor, but in the Roboute's work. The actual helmet is excellent, with good armor, vision, etc. However, The Big Marine Rulebook didn't include rules for dental hygiene and the Mechanicus lost the template for the STC electric toothbrush long ago. As such their breath soon becomes so bad that eventually even the suit's air filtration system cannot cope and the marines literally die from their own halitosis.

Fetterkey wrote:

Locclo wrote:The book Fulgrim kind of points out why sergeants wouldn't wear helmets - because (Depending on the army) if a shot hits you in the head, you're going to die or get seriously injured, helmet or not.

That doesn't make much sense. Even a modern Kevlar helmet protects from shrapnel and long-ranged or low-caliber shots, not to mention blows! I imagine that a Space Marine's advanced power armor helmet can protect him from a direct hit to the head, at least a hit from a (comparatively) low-powered weapon like a lasgun.

This much is true. The book I was quoting had Space Marines facing off against the Laer, a pseudo Tau/Tyranid mix (Think bugs with advanced weaponry and genetics). I believe their basic guns fired what was essentially plasma lances, so there was really no sense in keeping the helmet on for protection.

leoaeris6789 wrote:Sergeant Kirk, Techmarine Spock, Apothecary McCoy, and Brother Ricky are deep striking down to the planet. Guess who's not coming back.

That is certainly sig-worthy! I lol'd.

I got it

Locclo wrote:

Fetterkey wrote:

Locclo wrote:The book Fulgrim kind of points out why sergeants wouldn't wear helmets - because (Depending on the army) if a shot hits you in the head, you're going to die or get seriously injured, helmet or not.

That doesn't make much sense. Even a modern Kevlar helmet protects from shrapnel and long-ranged or low-caliber shots, not to mention blows! I imagine that a Space Marine's advanced power armor helmet can protect him from a direct hit to the head, at least a hit from a (comparatively) low-powered weapon like a lasgun.

This much is true. The book I was quoting had Space Marines facing off against the Laer, a pseudo Tau/Tyranid mix (Think bugs with advanced weaponry and genetics). I believe their basic guns fired what was essentially plasma lances, so there was really no sense in keeping the helmet on for protection.

Yes there is. Space Marines look hella awesome in helmets.

Only bald space marines are allowed to go without helmets. All the others have really embarrassing mullets so leave the helmets on.

Then tell that to all the space wolves with a full head of hair.

Space Wolfs do it just because they aren't bald. They think rules are made to be broken.

Frazzled wrote:Its a fatal flaw, not in the armor, but in the Roboute's work. The actual helmet is excellent, with good armor, vision, etc. However, The Big Marine Rulebook didn't include rules for dental hygiene and the Mechanicus lost the template for the STC electric toothbrush long ago. As such their breath soon becomes so bad that eventually even the suit's air filtration system cannot cope and the marines literally die from their own halitosis.

WOW

So Granddaddy Nurgle is at it again!!