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What the hell happened here while I was gone?

I for one am happily on board with any Dark Angel release. Good times, and updated 5th ed rules.

And if there is anything (MEQ or Xenos) in store to be released on par with the SW/Tyranid/BA releases, I think everyone should be very happy.

I think they should just finish up the SM stuff and work on some Guard stuff whilst waiting for the next big Imperial Army. Marines pretty much have everything, and Guard could use some new stuff thanks to the new 'dex.

And honestly, although I do play marines, it's getting pretty damn dull. Please GW, just work on a different army, PLEASE.

I find these threads highly amusing. Why does everyone assume that they drop everything *just* to work on Marines?

If things are being slated for a release, and even announced--the work's been done for awhile. GW's admitted that they've started holding products back to do "wave" releases, which means that they don't HAVE to drop anything to get a release ready.

Kanluwen wrote:I find these threads highly amusing. Why does everyone assume that they drop everything *just* to work on Marines?

I don't think it's that so much as it is every Marine codex comes out could have been their army's codex. And let's face it, there have been a disproportionate amount of Marine codex since the 5E rulebook came out. Whether or not it's disproportionate to the amount of actual marine players compared to other armies is another question entirely.

At least they've been pretty good about what they've been releasing thus far. You couldn't expect them NOT to update SM and IG for the new edition right away, and of the other releases, SW and BA were both desperately in need of an update. Moreso than DH/WH and certain 3E Xeno holdouts? Probably not, but you really can't blame a public company for wanting to push their best (or, more likely, most profitable) products. I dunno if Tyranids really NEEDED an update, because I'm not terribly familiar with them, though. I think it was weird that they got it before DE or Crons.

In any case, if the other thread is right, wouldn't Necrons be the next 40k codex anyway? With WFB Summer I don't really see them releasing two more codices this year. And at least if WH/DH/=][= gets it, it's a SM "chapter" that actually did need a significant update and not something like them pushing codex: Blood Ravens or something.

It's been reasonable but borderline irritating that 4 of the past 5 codices that came out after the 5E rulebook have been Imperial, 3 of which being Marines. If WH/DH get it next, 5/6 would be kind of annoying, but reasonable since they so obviously need an update. IF the release after that is freaking BT or DA, bringing it 6/7, then that's past the point of being reasonable.

I was going to buy some BA stuff and start that army but I decided it would be better if I didn't support the SM flood. I'll buy some SM stuff along with my new Immortal plastic kit though...

Plastic Mega-nobz are going to be a serious danger to my bank account...

My response is... Giggity giggity goo!

You know what is odd? I think GW's strategy is working, it does seem more exciting to find out the details shortly before instead of month's in advance. Dammit I hate it when they give me a reason to stop kicking their corporate strategies in the bollocks.

jp400 wrote:No wonder 3/4 of all armies are in the gutter.. the entire team is working on Codex: Skittles Marines... taste the rainbow!

I wouldn't be saying that too loud. There was a chapter called the rainbow marines. Look on the side of the RT01 box, its there.

lords2001 wrote:Shhhhhhhhhh.

Don't say that, the anti marine boys will fly into a rage if they hear you saying GK's are not 'another marine release'. And I for one don't need the river of tears flowing out of my interwebs. It could block the tubes.

I for one hope it's Inquisition or at least Grey Knights getting a redo. I'd even put up with another passive-aggressive Kid Kyoto signature.

Reecius wrote:Be thankful for marines, they have kept the company in business and us in a hobby for this long.

This, from a guy with (barely) more Space Marines than I have Eldar!

Scottywan82 wrote:

lords2001 wrote:Indeed. I think this is the reason GW closed down leaks - for every 1 person saying 'Great, my army is getting redone, I'm going to save up for the new models' etc, there are 5 people who say 'Oh great work, GW, delaying my precious (insert army/codex here) again to work on (insert new codex release here).' True, most of the people who QQ quite hard are probably the sort who would complain anyway even if their codex was redone with new models because of some random flaw they perceive.

Absolutely right. It does suck though. But a lot of other companies are jumping on that wagon. I'm looking at you, PP and RE.

Who are RE?

I'm amused at the inclusion of PP on this list - releasing 9 out of 10 army books (or is it 10 out of 11, if Minions get their own book?), plus Mk2 of both core rulebooks, in a 12 month period doesn't really strike me as falling into the aforementioned GW pattern - especially as the release order for the first five books were determined by player results in league play last year! I'm not sure whether the Hordes army books got the same treatment re release schedule, mind you.

Either way, you've also not got the Three Month Curtain of Secrecy in place regarding these books, and while the majority of releases in a given month will be linked to that month's Forces of... book, you're still getting releases for other factions at the same time.

Dysartes wrote:

Scottywan82 wrote:

lords2001 wrote:Indeed. I think this is the reason GW closed down leaks - for every 1 person saying 'Great, my army is getting redone, I'm going to save up for the new models' etc, there are 5 people who say 'Oh great work, GW, delaying my precious (insert army/codex here) again to work on (insert new codex release here).' True, most of the people who QQ quite hard are probably the sort who would complain anyway even if their codex was redone with new models because of some random flaw they perceive.

Absolutely right. It does suck though. But a lot of other companies are jumping on that wagon. I'm looking at you, PP and RE.

Who are RE?

I'm amused at the inclusion of PP on this list - releasing 9 out of 10 army books (or is it 10 out of 11, if Minions get their own book?), plus Mk2 of both core rulebooks, in a 12 month period doesn't really strike me as falling into the aforementioned GW pattern - especially as the release order for the first five books were determined by player results in league play last year! I'm not sure whether the Hordes army books got the same treatment re release schedule, mind you.

Either way, you've also not got the Three Month Curtain of Secrecy in place regarding these books, and while the majority of releases in a given month will be linked to that month's Forces of... book, you're still getting releases for other factions at the same time.

I think he is more talking about the way that GW is tightening down on the rumour mill, and not pre-releasing info, which they say drains away the hype before the actual proper release. He is then saying that other miniature companies are following this route more and more.

* And GW still has some surprises in store thru the year end, certainly the Astartes push has not ended April 6...

Sounds more like the Stormraven than a new chapter release. It would make sense as a numbers push akin to Space Hulk. I just hope its not a similar price point...

I would like to go on record as stating that I am not a Marine-hating nerdrager. My army (Orks) recieves quite a lot of love from GW, relatively speaking.

But for all those people talking about how Marines keep GW afloat: yes that's true, but why lump them (pretty much) all in to one year? If they spunk all their major marine releases this year, what happens next year?

Albatross wrote:I would like to go on record as stating that I am not a Marine-hating nerdrager. My army (Orks) recieves quite a lot of love from GW, relatively speaking.

But for all those people talking about how Marines keep GW afloat: yes that's true, but why lump them (pretty much) all in to one year? If they spunk all their major marine releases this year, what happens next year?

Alright, I didn't want to reveal this info, but I have a list of the 40k releases for the next few years

Grey Knights
Black Templars
Necrons
Blood Ravens
Dark Angels
Ultramarines
Sisters of Ultramar (replacing WH)
Dark Ravens
Ultramarines
Dark Eldar (Actually, this ends up being retconned into a loyalist marine chapter for some reason)
Blood Templars
Black Angels
CSM
Imperial Ravens
Blood Fists

lords2001 wrote:Indeed. I think this is the reason GW closed down leaks - for every 1 person saying 'Great, my army is getting redone, I'm going to save up for the new models' etc, there are 5 people who say 'Oh great work, GW, delaying my precious (insert army/codex here) again to work on (insert new codex release here).' True, most of the people who QQ quite hard are probably the sort who would complain anyway even if their codex was redone with new models because of some random flaw they perceive.

What is QQ?

Defiler wrote:Haha, marines definitely sell.

That claim is pretty far out there.

As for the additional news of More marines on the way, I'm pretty sure everyone expected that. Releases are usually Imperium/Xenos, and guard are really the only non-marine imperium army out there - and we know sisters are not due this year so...

I think that all spells Grey Knights, which is fantastic. Some balance on the field and increased sculpts will do that range beautifully.

Grey knights probably are flat out the most unique SM chapter, so I don't really view this news as "another marine release".

It isn't just Grey Knights though, Black Templars are also rumoured to maybe be coming out this year.

CT GAMER wrote:Plastic Mega-nobz are going to be a serious danger to my bank account...

QFT!

RE: Marine hate, it makes as much sense as hating on Hasbro for always making new Optimus Prime's/Bumblebee's or Bandai for always making new versions of the first gundam (to cite two examples I'm familiar with, I'm sure there are others in different fandoms), every company has to stick with it's bread and butter, shareholder's would never demand otherwise.

Stickmonkey wrote:
* Tanks! I can now confirm Tanks are coming...following the Incoming email...unfortunately, I can't go into more detail. I will say the age of the hybrid kit is soon to end. Some of you have already made some good guesses.

I figure it's a long shot, but it would be nice if that meant an all-plastic Fire Prism.

Dysartes wrote:

Scottywan82 wrote:Absolutely right. It does suck though. But a lot of other companies are jumping on that wagon. I'm looking at you, PP and RE.

Who are RE?

Rackham Entertainment. and lords 2001 hit it on the head. all three companies are clamping down on their outgoing rumor mill and it's been irksome to their fanbase.

Gargskull wrote:

lords2001 wrote:Indeed. I think this is the reason GW closed down leaks - for every 1 person saying 'Great, my army is getting redone, I'm going to save up for the new models' etc, there are 5 people who say 'Oh great work, GW, delaying my precious (insert army/codex here) again to work on (insert new codex release here).' True, most of the people who QQ quite hard are probably the sort who would complain anyway even if their codex was redone with new models because of some random flaw they perceive.

What is QQ?

It's a dude crying. I find it helps if you add a period for a nose.

Q.Q
^
See? Crying face. shortened to QQ.

Ah, the horizontal faces don't work for me, I just don't see them.
I thought it was an acronym.

Scottywan82 wrote:Rackham Entertainment. and lords 2001 hit it on the head. all three companies are clamping down on their outgoing rumor mill and it's been irksome to their fanbase.

I've not seen a reduction in PP's 'leaks' and previews, As previously stated the full list of books being released between now and December 2010 is known fact. There are only a handful of models for the Warmachine factions that are unknown at this point (even this figure could change when the next NQ hits the shelves in the next few days).

I'm (much) less familiar with the Rackham rumour mill so I'll take your word for it.

Gargskull wrote:horizontal

Sure that's what you mean?

I'm not so chuffed about Marine books being released if it means the other armies still get new models. Except Daemonhunters.

Ostrakon wrote:

Albatross wrote:I would like to go on record as stating that I am not a Marine-hating nerdrager. My army (Orks) recieves quite a lot of love from GW, relatively speaking.

But for all those people talking about how Marines keep GW afloat: yes that's true, but why lump them (pretty much) all in to one year? If they spunk all their major marine releases this year, what happens next year?

Alright, I didn't want to reveal this info, but I have a list of the 40k releases for the next few years

Grey Knights
Black Templars
Necrons
Blood Ravens
Dark Angels
Ultramarines
Sisters of Ultramar (replacing WH)
Dark Ravens
Ultramarines
Dark Eldar (Actually, this ends up being retconned into a loyalist marine chapter for some reason)
Blood Templars
Black Angels
CSM
Imperial Ravens
Blood Fists

You somehow missed three tau releases in that bunch.

On the topic of plastic Mega Armored Nobz: Stickmoney's summary only says "Plastic elite Ork infantry" so that means GW could be releasing the Ork models that we've all been waiting for: Flash Gitz!

Competitive gaming I sneeze at thee!

Plastic Mega-nobz are going to be a serious danger to my bank account...

Cool, mine too
Any news on plastic meganobs or is it just a wishlist thing.

Ah, the horizontal faces don't work for me, I just don't see them.
I thought it was an acronym.

Its not an acronym and its definitely not crying eyes. Geez, how can fellow gaming nerds like yourselves not know this.

Brother SRM wrote:On the topic of plastic Mega Armored Nobz: Stickmoney's summary only says "Plastic elite Ork infantry" so that means GW could be releasing the Ork models that we've all been waiting for: Flash Gitz!

Competitive gaming I sneeze at thee!

Flash Gitz are a heavy support choice. iirc, the elite choices are:

Nobz (plastic)
Lootas and Burnas (both plastic)
Tankbustas (new metals that came out with codex)
Kommandoes (relatively new metals that came out with Cities of Death)
Mega Armored Nobz (metals that came out with third edition codex)

I'd be shocked if it's anything but MANz. It's the oldest metal unit, it's expensive, and they know that terminators sell like hotcakes. Plastic MANz will sell - not as well as termies, but good enough to justify the capital cost.

JOHIRA wrote:I figure it's a long shot, but it would be nice if that meant an all-plastic Fire Prism.

I think somewhere, in one of these lists of rumors, the Fire Prism was listed, along with an ork buggy/wartrakk/skorcha kit, etc., so you may get your wish.

And if it is meganobz, that will be great. Hopefully the kit will be decently priced, like the nob box set and the killa kans.

Ostrakon wrote:

Albatross wrote:I would like to go on record as stating that I am not a Marine-hating nerdrager. My army (Orks) recieves quite a lot of love from GW, relatively speaking.

But for all those people talking about how Marines keep GW afloat: yes that's true, but why lump them (pretty much) all in to one year? If they spunk all their major marine releases this year, what happens next year?

Alright, I didn't want to reveal this info, but I have a list of the 40k releases for the next few years

Grey Knights
Black Templars
Necrons
Blood Ravens
Dark Angels
Ultramarines
Sisters of Ultramar (replacing WH)
Dark Ravens
Ultramarines
Dark Eldar (Actually, this ends up being retconned into a loyalist marine chapter for some reason)
Blood Templars
Black Angels
CSM
Imperial Ravens
Blood Fists

You know, I had my reservations about the upcoming Black Ravens release ; but I think my fears will be dispelled once we all see the other half of the story in the Dark Ravens codex.

There are just too many unanswered questions, that probably won't be solved with anything short of a retcon of the already illustrious Blood Templars fluff.

Edit - I also like how there are 14 projected releases over the next 2 years.

@dietrich
If they were to release feral orks would that fit into their codex? I don't really have any great interest in 40k, but I know they are working on the new orc boys sprue, and with a little work it could easily be modified for feral orks.

Grimstonefire wrote:@dietrich
If they were to release feral orks would that fit into their codex? I don't really have any great interest in 40k, but I know they are working on the new orc boys sprue, and with a little work it could easily be modified for feral orks.

The codex only really pays liupservice to the whole clans thing, it has a brief blurb for each and some paint demos in the models sectioin but there's no specific units. The earliest we'd be able to get plastic boarboyz is with the next codex some years down the line.

Gargskull wrote:

Stickmonkey wrote:
* got to see some preliminary cad for upcoming plastic elite orks

Plastic Meganobz, oh yes.

Plastic ork elites, I find Meganobz doubtful though not impossible. New tanks + new ork elites, i'm going to put it on the line (in a way) and say tankbusters!