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Pah! always a critic.

Well.. I didn't like paying 10 bucks to see... well not much really, some gakky camera work.

I had the same problem with Blair witch, it wasn't scary, it was just damn annoying.

Soladrin wrote:Well.. I didn't like paying 10 bucks to see... well not much really, some gakky camera work.

I had the same problem with Blair witch, it wasn't scary, it was just damn annoying.

On the account that we have a common consensus on Blair Witch I won't hunt you down and feed you to the wienies for your apostasy towards the greateness that is Cloverfield. Sure its not Creature from the Black Lagoon but its still choice.

In Blair Witch, were you also hoping the girl would die a screaming horrible death NOW NOW PLEASE NOW, within ten minutes of the beginning of the movie? We kept joking that they would be standing there losing it about being lost, and in the background you would see a 7-Eleven sign at any moment.

Horrible camera style aside, by far my worst jibe with the movie was just the monster itself, something that's the most important part of a monster movie, that's where they failed me.

Especialy cause i thought it was gonna look like this:



Which I think looks awesome.

I haven't seen Cloverfield yet (I really need to get around to it) but I think that the unseen monster would be a good thing? Doesn't anyone remember Jaws and why that was so good?

Cloverfield was fun, but it also literally also made me nauseous.

I'm all for 'realistic', but that was a bit much...

I hated the 1998 Godzilla. I was a huge Godzilla fan growing up, I watched all the Japanese versions dating back from the original 1950ish to Godzilla 2000 before I lost interest. When the American version came out I cryed it was so bad, they killed my childhood hero. Luckily pokemon came to these shores around the same time so I had a new Japanese monster(s) to obsess over. I hope they don't feth this one up. I'd really like to see my favorite atomic sea dragon gain back some of his street cred, (although Godzilla 2000 was badass back in the day). Sadly I think robot chicken already predicted the outcome.

They did?

How so and/or link?

The cartoon also gave credence to the myth that Godzilla is green :/

Alpharius wrote:They did?

How so and/or link?

Grrr! can't find it on youtube and I can't seem to get adultswim clips to link. I believe it was in the 2nd or 3rd season. They did a spoof on the 1998 American Godzilla. Basically it was a musical, featuring Godzilla and his/her? offspring dancing on rollerskates.

Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:The cartoon also gave credence to the myth that Godzilla is green :/

And laser beam eyes. Don't forget the laser beam eyes. You had kids on the playground thinking Godzilla had laser beam frickin' eyes. In some ways that's worse than Godzooky, as impossible as that seems.

Although honestly, I didn't hate the 1998 film. It wasn't a Japanese-style Godzilla move, but then a Japanese-style Godzilla movie would bomb in this country and couldn't get made. I didn't even hate the design. I think they could have brought in a few more traditional elements, but I for one was glad to see a Godzilla that moved like a dinosaur/lizard instead of a man in a rubber suit (hint...dinosaurs didn't drag their tails everywhere they went).

It wasn't a particularly good movie because it wasn't a particularly good movie, not because they veered from Godzilla canon so much.

Norwulf wrote:

Alpharius wrote:They did?

How so and/or link?

Grrr! can't find it on youtube and I can't seem to get adultswim clips to link. I believe it was in the 2nd or 3rd season. They did a spoof on the 1998 American Godzilla. Basically it was a musical, featuring Godzilla and his/her? offspring dancing on rollerskates.

Couldn't find the link your refering to Norwulf,I did however find this bit of classic hilarity.

I rather liked the american godzilla. It wasn't godzilla, but it was an entertaining film regardless. There aren't enough western giant monster movies, it's a genre thats really unexplored over here.

ShumaGorath wrote:I rather liked the american godzilla. It wasn't godzilla, but it was an entertaining film regardless. There aren't enough western giant monster movies, it's a genre thats really unexplored over here.

Hmmm,don't know if I totaly agree with that Shuma.
While it's true that America dosn't have an "iconic" giant monster (or indeed plethora of iconic monsters),during the 50s & 60s and even into the early 70's American cinema did explore the giant "mutated" monster genre,japan just did it much better.

FITZZ wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:I rather liked the american godzilla. It wasn't godzilla, but it was an entertaining film regardless. There aren't enough western giant monster movies, it's a genre thats really unexplored over here.

Hmmm,don't know if I totaly agree with that Shuma.
While it's true that America dosn't have an "iconic" giant monster (or indeed plethora of iconic monsters),during the 50s & 60s and even into the early 70's American cinema did explore the giant "mutated" monster genre,japan just did it much better.

I like to think that movie making has changed a bit in sixty years.

Indeed it has changed,not always for the best.
However my point was that the genre had been explored by American films.
Now,could it continue to be built upon,of course,and of course "American" versions of Godzilla could be well done,however IMO I still belive Japan has/will done/do it better.

Personally I liked the 1998 American Godzilla. It's a different take on Godzilla and frankly I couldn't give a crap about Mathew Broderick if I tried, but on the whole I liked it and the monster design.

I also enjoyed Cloverfield. Shaky cam isn't for everyone, no doubt, but I enjoyed the way that it gave you the perspective of someone actually trying to avoid being stepped on.

Well,as I said earlier,I didn't dislike the American Godzilla film,it just wasn't "Godzilla" IMO.
I did however enjoy Cloverfield,I like the shaky cam,first person perspective of the film (among others).

Waaagh_Gonads wrote:Cloverfield was how Godzilla should have been done.

How the heck to you have a giant monster movie... where you never see the monster!!!!

And for that matter... how the did the monster, after loudly smashing and crushing half the city sneak up on the main characters in the middle of Central Park?!?


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Mr 4 Strings wrote:I haven't seen Cloverfield yet (I really need to get around to it) but I think that the unseen monster would be a good thing? Doesn't anyone remember Jaws and why that was so good?

Of course, we all already know what a shark looks like...

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Okay, if you liked Cloverfield, more power to you. The shakycam never fails to leave me feeling I just paid way too much money to see a movie filmed by overcaffinated high school art students. And if I'm going to see a giant monster movie, I wanna see the darn monster. I couldn't care less about a group of yuppies getting picked off one by one until they are all dead; I want to know what the monster is doing and how it is going to be stopped.

I liked the American version of Godzilla as well. The plot sucked, granted. It would have made a lot more sense to me if the film had ended, not with the hatching egg, but with a deep-sea panorama... featuring several more of the Big-G lizards. Let that self-righteous twerp scientist be totally wrong about the way Big-G reproduces... But the look of Big-G in that movie absolutely rocked! He moved like a bipedal lizard, not a guy in a rubber suit! Not so fond of him dodging missiles, but ramming the sub with those shoulder-crests was neat!

But I really like the Tojo Studios Godzilla movies best. They set the stage, and when they change the look of Big-G, it still harkens back to the original movie.

I actualy liked the USA Godzilla version as well, except for the stadium bit-way too Jurassic Park for me.

Now who would win is the Q. USA Godzilla or Cloverfield monster in the thrilla by Central Park NY Domination Bowl?

Godzilla would wreck his face.

It's kind of hard to grasp the power of a monster you see 3 times in the entire god damn movie.

It'd go the way it always goes. Godzilla would box Clovie for a while and make it look good. Then he'd get bored, open up the radioactive flame breath, and win by KO.

Soladrin wrote:Godzilla would wreck his face.

It's kind of hard to grasp the power of a monster you see 3 times in the entire god damn movie.

USA Godzilla:
shot at with 35mm cannon and rockets. most missed. Survived multiple torpedo concussions but stunned.
*Looks to be quite faster. Was able to run at helicopter speed and swim at attack sub speed. Not bad.
*Able to do substantial damage. Didn't wreck as many buildings but did go through one and through the stadium so relatively tough.
*Sneaky. Able to ambush helicopters.
*Wiener dog class bad breath able to take out M1 tanks.

Cloverfield monster
*Slower
*Appeared much more stupid.
*Appeared tougher. Took lots of attacks including at least one full bomb run. Able to knock over buildings and go through buildings to evade attack. Did seem to run from attacks though.

Old School (black and white original movie Japanese) Godzilla
*Slow as snot.
*Atomic breath blows up stuff left and right. multiple shots no problem.
*whines a bit but ignores air and ground fire. Appears utterly invulnerable.
*not particularly concerned about refinery fires.
Weakness-really likes chocolate, queso, and fair Spanish ladies.
OG for the Win!

You know what, I'm gonna rewatch Cloverfield. See if i might like it better a second time.

OK I'm in charge now.

The US Godzilla was fine except for calling it Godzilla, that brought back all the Japanese stuff.

Cloverfield was fine too, though TBH I watched in on DBD so it only cost me £3.

There is a Godzilla statue in Tokyo. I have a picture somewhere, can't find it right now, it is only about 10 feet tall including the pedestal, unfortunately

The reason why the Japanese Godzilla looks funny is because there is a man in a spandex suit inside. Some years ago I was privileged to be able to see an in-depth interview with the first female Godzilla person in spandex suit (called a suit actor or body actor or something). It was quite nice. I heartily endorse cute young Japanese women wearing spandex bodysuits.

Don't tell my wife.

Frazzled wrote:I actualy liked the USA Godzilla version as well, except for the stadium bit-way too Jurassic Park for me.

Now who would win is the Q. USA Godzilla or Cloverfield monster in the thrilla by Central Park NY Domination Bowl?

Cloverfield monster by a large margin. Godzilla was killed by hellfire missiles, the cloverfield monster survived MOABs. Now if it were traditional godzilla vs cloverfield you would have a much better fight. Traditional godzilla has an enourmous size advantage, atomic breath, similar resistance to damage, and the ability to do sweet ass flying kicks.

Soladrin wrote:It's kind of hard to grasp the power of a monster you see 3 times in the entire god damn movie.

The power was largely irrelevant from the movie's perspective. "More than enough to kill you purely by accidental contact," was more than descriptive enough in the context of the movie.

ShumaGorath wrote:

Frazzled wrote:I actualy liked the USA Godzilla version as well, except for the stadium bit-way too Jurassic Park for me.

Now who would win is the Q. USA Godzilla or Cloverfield monster in the thrilla by Central Park NY Domination Bowl?

Cloverfield monster by a large margin. Godzilla was killed by hellfire missiles, the cloverfield monster survived MOABs. Now if it were traditional godzilla vs cloverfield you would have a much better fight. Traditional godzilla has an enourmous size advantage, atomic breath, similar resistance to damage, and the ability to do sweet ass flying kicks.

Dude yea forgot about that. Yea USA Godzilla is weaker. on the other hand we're not sure of the offensive potential of Cloverfield. USG could still literally run around him and potentially flame broil him.

OSG on the other hand, yea he's a buttkicker in the original. I had to limit it to that because later he learns to fly with his atomic breath, has awesome whip tail action, and the aforementioned seemingly mile long Kirk kicks. Isn't he also physically a lot bigger? We're going back to cool halcyon days but wasn't he on the order of 40 stories tall or such?

Dude yea forgot about that. Yea USA Godzilla is weaker. on the other hand we're not sure of the offensive potential of Cloverfield. USG could still literally run around him and potentially flame broil him.

USG didn't have flame breath. The only time in the movie he used something similar was when he was roaring at the taxis. One of the vehicles ruptured its gas tank and he basically shouted the flames away, which looked like a breath weapon (a cool homage, but thats all it was intended to be). The offensive potential of the cloverfield monster is pretty high, he was eating tanks and knocking down buildings pretty well. It's not like USG managed to do much more.

OSG on the other hand, yea he's a buttkicker in the original. I had to limit it to that because later he learns to fly with his atomic breath, has awesome whip tail action, and the aforementioned seemingly mile long Kirk kicks. Isn't he also physically a lot bigger? We're going back to cool halcyon days but wasn't he on the order of 40 stories tall or such?

OSGs size varied dramatically from movie to movie and even from scene to scene. Sometimes he was ten to fifteen stories, other he towered over skyscrapers. I believe the actual height is somewhere around 60-90 stories tall.

I'm old school Kaiju.

But let's be honest, what are the chances this new version will be any good?

Shia LaBeouf Jones or the latest flavor will be all over it, and it will be bad.

Though I hope not!