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If you're having problems facing people with P90s, I suggest you uninstall/sell your copy of MW2 and go to Hello Kitty's Adventure Island.

Daba wrote:Stopping power with silencer turns the UMP from a 3 hit kill to a 3 hit kill (not much practical difference).

What's wrong with LMGs? The high recoil and muzzle flash make them harder to use than an AR or SMG. The large magazine really only helps when you run into about 5 people in the same place.

I like equipping the L86 with a grip (essential for most LMGs) and FMJ for people who hide in aeroplane cockpits and similar hiding.

Also, the Raffica is basically a burst assault rifle. Give it a sight and use it like an M16 or FAMAS.

I think the ACR is actually one of he strongest guns in he game though. The lack of recoil on the thing makes it monstrous compared with it's rivals who require more recoil management.

LMGs can be used with skill true, but usually its some milk toast dude running around spraying with like a 3rd place ranking but 13/27 KDR. The raffica is awesome, takes some time to get it right though. I like it. The ACR is a good gun, I use it sometimes during domination.


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Kanluwen wrote:If you're having problems facing people with P90s, I suggest you uninstall/sell your copy of MW2 and go to Hello Kitty's Adventure Island.

No I am having problems with your hostility.

I am good enough at the game. I pwn noobs, as I say, which I say in humorous irony. And you need to chill out.

What hostility?

You're complaining about one of the single most underpowered SMGs in the game, while touting your "skills" with one that is used by pretty much every player who wants to abuse the fact that it's for some reason immune to the silencer drop off damage.

As for LMGs, nobody runs around spraying and getting a 13/27 KDR.

The Raffica is an overpowered joke, a pistol which somehow has the range of a sniper rifle--with none of the real aiming required.

But then again, pretty much every one of the "burst" fire weapons are.

I don't know man, it seems like you don't really play the game at all, or you play on console.

Because playing on a console is a bad thing, amirite?

no, stop assuming.

It is just a very different experience.

Actually it's not.

The game does not change just because the control scheme does.

There's Autoaim on The console version. The control scheme also might change the pace for the player, though I haven't played a console FPS since the N64 (or maybe PS2, can't rememeber)

IG_urban wrote:LMGs can be used with skill true, but usually its some milk toast dude running around spraying with like a 3rd place ranking but 13/27 KDR. The raffica is awesome, takes some time to get it right though. I like it. The ACR is a good gun, I use it sometimes during domination.

What?

Nobody runs around with a LMG, the mobility hit, poor hip shooting accuracy and slow time to ADS make that a woeful option. I know some people hate LMGs because average players wil use them to snipe, basically relying on the rate of fire to score kills, as they're not confident of hitting with a sniper rifle. But even that's a dubious option as the ACR is effective out to the same range, and while it doesn't hit as hard it doesn't have the recoil and muzzle flare problems.

In general LMGs are a weak choice, which is why you rarely see them. Compare it to dudes relying AK-47s, ACRs, M-16s, UMPs, Barretts, tactical knifes, and dual G-18s, at which point you've gotten about 80% to 90% of the builds in the game. They're the dominant builds because they're the most effective.

IG_urban wrote:
hmm. the etcetera was placed for a valid reason. If you play the game too much, as I do, from the items on my list, you can infer the additional items that my list might include. Notice how I said light machine guns, and the p90, therefore no categorizing all SMGs or assault rifles together, just the light machine gun group. The rest of the items I listed are all similar in nature, therefore, the use of the etcetera, and considering the words in it of itself just means "unlisted additional items", I think I used it correctly.

I didn't say you used it incorrectly.

IG_urban wrote:
You can assume anything you like about my life, because it really does not matter. You can be a troll and an internet tough guy ( http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Internet_Tough_Guy ) all you want.

I didn't make an assumption. I didn't state you were necessarily anything, I stated that you appeared to be a certain sort of thing.

Additionally, my behavior is not consistent with your source. I didn't "talk gak" I described my observation of you behavior. If you found that insulting, it isn't my concern; excepting any instance in which you would like to indicate otherwise.

The problem with knives is he netcode. You can shoot a knifer, buf if his client command goes in before you then he gets a knife kill and you get nothing.

G18s are a problem as they don't have the massive accuracy penalty other akimbo users use (even without steady aim!)

When I'm not levelling a weapon (which is most of the time), I think I like the L86 and TAR the best currently.

Not sure what to do for secondary though (for my non stealth build). Maybe RPG? But I find the 1014 auto shotgun useful too.

Kanluwen wrote:If you're having problems facing people with P90s, I suggest you uninstall/sell your copy of MW2 and go to Hello Kitty's Adventure Island.

Turn it down a notch please, let's keep it light and friendly.

Ta.

Daba wrote:The problem with knives is he netcode. You can shoot a knifer, buf if his client command goes in before you then he gets a knife kill and you get nothing.

Somewhat, that's a problem with the game and lag in general. Plenty of times I'll ping a dude three or four times, get killed when he fires once, then when I watch the killcam he'll have shot me three or times in his screen while I won't have registered a shot at all.

The problem with knives is that a melee attack is given absolute lethality, while guns are a lot less lethal than they are in real life. Add in the extreme level of speed that light weight and marathon can give and you get the silly situation where a person can run straight at someone shooting them and stab them with a knife.

G18s are a problem as they don't have the massive accuracy penalty other akimbo users use (even without steady aim!)

Yeah, and the clip size, means you can really suck and still bring down two or three guys in a single room.

When I'm not levelling a weapon (which is most of the time), I think I like the L86 and TAR the best currently.

I like the TAR, but I find it struggles a bit at range. I find the AK is the most solid gun all round, does enough damage up close that you can use it at close quarters, and is still effective at medium range.

Kanluwen wrote:Actually it's not.

The game does not change just because the control scheme does.

actually, it does.

sebster wrote:

IG_urban wrote:LMGs can be used with skill true, but usually its some milk toast dude running around spraying with like a 3rd place ranking but 13/27 KDR. The raffica is awesome, takes some time to get it right though. I like it. The ACR is a good gun, I use it sometimes during domination.

What?

Nobody runs around with a LMG, the mobility hit, poor hip shooting accuracy and slow time to ADS make that a woeful option.

False.

dogma wrote:I didn't say you used it incorrectly.

I didn't make an assumption. I didn't state you were necessarily anything, I stated that you appeared to be a certain sort of thing.

Additionally, my behavior is not consistent with your source. I didn't "talk gak" I described my observation of you behavior. If you found that insulting, it isn't my concern; excepting any instance in which you would like to indicate otherwise.

Now you are pulling at straws. Insinuating that I am a "whiny frat boy", is pretty antagonistic. My behavior is similar to the tens of thousands of people that play MW2 that are tired of little kids using cheap weapons and hacks and calling it "skill, dog". There is nothing more annoying then a little kid blatantly aimbotting and wallhacking, then when you call him on it, he just says "umad?". Grr.

The fact is, the majority of FPSers nowadays have only been gaming FPS for the past few years. You calling me a whiny frat boy that is the problem with the FPS crowd nowadays, when I have been an avid FPSer since Doom and Wolfenstein, is quite offensive.

Deadshane1 wrote:Boosters....lame.

Whats lame is the lack of power from an FN shot. FAL's are .308s. They should be uber killy.

If you add a holographic sight to a FN FAL, it suddenly hits harder.

Seriously.

IG_urban wrote:
Now you are pulling at straws.

No, I'm literally explaining the words I used.

IG_urban wrote:
Insinuating that I am a "whiny frat boy", is pretty antagonistic.

Perhaps it is. But if you don't see yourself in that fashion, then it should be jocular, not insulting.

IG_urban wrote:
My behavior is similar to the tens of thousands of people that play MW2 that are tired of little kids using cheap weapons and hacks and calling it "skill, dog". There is nothing more annoying then a little kid blatantly aimbotting and wallhacking, then when you call him on it, he just says "umad?". Grr.

Right, so more evidence then.

IG_urban wrote:
The fact is, the majority of FPSers nowadays have only been gaming FPS for the past few years. You calling me a whiny frat boy that is the problem with the FPS crowd nowadays, when I have been an avid FPSer since Doom and Wolfenstein, is quite offensive.

History is not an exemption from seemingly apparent behavior.

I guess I should consider myself lucky that I don't get so "hardcore" into MW:2 that these minor flaws in a game dont detract from my experience in the game. I like to use a lmg with a grip and scavenger pro for extended mags. I do hardcore team deathmatch. While my tactics may not get me any trackable stats (unless a random bullet wings you), my covering fire/distraction of a full 100 round clip helps my teamates flank you. I don't care about stats or pwnage, I care about fun. Use commando pro and a riot shield, leap off a building and kill a guy with the shield before landing. The only thing that made that moment more priceless was I managed to get the game winning kill (of my 3 kills of the round). Keep in mind kiddies. Its just a game, have some fun.

gameandwatch wrote:Looks as if most of you prefer to play regular, I stick entirely to Hardcore, I prefer the added realism, and tube spam is usually a little less common. The ump is the only weapon that truly needs a nerf in the game. It is the only weapon with a bug where it suffers no added fall off damage for using a silencer. In addition, the vector, which is the weakest SMG in the game, fires the same round at higher velocity than the ump, but is somehow weaker... Either weaken the ump, or make the P90 the weakest of the smgs, being it fires the smallest bullet, and make the ump and vector equal in power...

I love Hardcore as well. After spamming hundreds of tubes I like the nerve wracking realism of Hardcore, if you get into it and put effort into it.

And no it is not a bug on the UMP. All silencers cause all damage to be reduced EARLIER in the overall distance fired of the weapon. As an abstract hypothetical, Gun A does max 40 damage and trails off at the far end to 30 damage. A silencer just causes it to drop to 30 sooner along that distance. The UMP does this, but unlike any other gun its minimum damage is 35 not 30 (or less in many cases, but after the UMPs 40-35 damage range the next highest are the M16 Famas and a couple others at 40-30)

As I said before players have 100 health in regular, 30 in hardcore. This means in regular it takes 3 hits from a UMP no matter the distance or what is on it (-35 HP per bullet). Its just a matter of having overpowered ranged stats.

IG_urban wrote:


I have over 6500 kills with ump, when I have stopping power equipped with a silencer, it is different that without it, I also use Stopping Power more for my TMP.

Yeah there is a difference. SP increases damage by 1.5x. So there IS a small window of distance between the muzzle and the opponent that SP will have an effect on a silenced UMP.

This thread is gonna be so locked, that all threads within 5 pages will die with it.

I don't see why, there haven't been any new posts in over two weeks.

I thought the game was a blast at first, but stopped playing due to a few very unrealistic and bleh mechanics.

UMP is way to good and everyone tends to run around with it.
No dedicated servers, hackers are all over the place.
Commando's knifing range is waaaayyyyy to long
The berreta 50 cal doesnt one shot in the chest (that thing would turn a person inside out)
Kill cam is just stupid, whats the point of ninja and cold blooded if they can just see where you shot them from.
Idiots running around with the best set-ups thinking harrier>gunner chopper>nuke=skill

Hardcore fixes a lot of this, but not all scenarios are available in hardcore.

This also just scratches the surface.

Hardcore is amazingly fun.

@op
Boosting IS for kids who don't want to play the game. Do you think I got my "All Pro" in a private match, hell no. I still haven't gotten a nuke (highest streak was 21 using hardline so I needed only two more), but I legitimately haven't gotten a nuke.


Also, sometimes a "n00b" can be overwhelming suprising. I can't tell you how many times I've beaten lvl 40-prestige after just joining as a lvl 1-10.


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Players can prevent boosters should they be in gametypes Other than 3rd Person Cage Match.

If a booster is in Free For All, players can simply kill them at any point after their 5th (6th to be 100% certain, due to the possible use of Hardline) kill to prevent them from obtaining a Tactical Nuke due to the 30 kill game cap.
If a booster is a friendly (in team-games), then prevention can be accomplished by locating them on the map, and killing their victim and destroying their Tactical Insertion, or to humiliate the victim, spawn kill him/her, then messaging an enemy to tell them to kill the friendly booster.
If the one who's dying is on your team, the onscreen death will persistently be pointing towards the same area. Use this to locate where they are.
Some people make a class with Cold Blooded and SitRep and go out to find and terminate boosters.
Heartbeat sensors and UAVs won't be very helpful as the booster will most likely be using Cold-Blooded and Ninja to counter these. But on occasion some may use Scrambler, giving away their position. SitRep, at least in Free For All, can be unreliable as if a booster with the TI is on the player's multiplayer faction (SEALs, Spetsnaz etc.), their TI will not appear red.
An extremely rare, but effective, and also humourous tactic, is to ask another player in FFA to help in boosting an EMP, which will prevent the booster's Nuke being launched, but this requires precision timing.
If the booster is on the player's team, dropping a Care Package or Emergency Airdrop - with precision, will kill them and reset their streak, or if it's on a hardcore gametype
A Video containing Nuke Boosters (Rare, but happens), simply kill the booster using your knife or weapon, but after a certain point you will get penalized by the Friendly Fire Penalty.
The player may also not have to make a boosting prevention class as there is already SitRep in the Overwatch Default class (Which contains an AT-4 for taking out Boosters at long range and an L86 LSW MG incase you miss).
If in the end, nothing can stop the Nuke boosters, the player should encourage their team and the enemy team to leave the game so the Booster will only receive an extra kill from the victim.
A melee run-and-gun class can help players stumble upon a booster and stop his plot.
Spectate, look for people who's kills and deaths inversely match those of another player, the player may also see where they are hiding.
Also pay attention to constant knife kills or headshots from the same players.
Look on the score board to see if any players have the same clan tag. This will usually, but not always, indicate players that are playing together.
To stop boosters, use SitRep to seek out Tactical Insertion. Players can see Tactical insertion through most surfaces from a fairly long distance so it is quite easy to spot.
Listen for the sounds of tactical insertions (when a player actually spawns) and silenced gunfire/knifing sounds.


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The short of it: Use sit-rep to look for boosters.

This is a fantastic hobby to get into and I wholeheartedly invite everyone to try it.

The 50 cal does kill in one chest shot. 70 damage x 1.5 multiplier for that gun is 105 = dead with no stopping power.

Unless you put a supresser on which turns it non fatal, even with a headshot.

I snipe with a L89 with grip and thermal. Got a double headshot that way. You really need to limit the fire to 1-3 bullets in order to do well with it.

My biggest gripe with the game is people with one man army and grenade launcher. Infinite grenades is really annoying. Also, melee is way over powered. I had a guy leap 9 feet while laying on the ground and stab me to death while I was shooting him. And people who can stab through a hail of bullets.

I snipe with an Ak-47 because I can.

You can 'snipe' with any non shotgun gun as the first bullet always hits where you're pointing at.

I like to snipe with grenades.


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I also like using thermal on "derail".

Thermal is my homeboy.

Not when everything in the background is also white.