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Dashofpepper wrote:

Rematch? Have we played? And if we did, what did you play? What did I play? How did the match go?

Yeah, when you were warming up for SoCal. I was the guard army that conceded at the end of turn 1. It was my first 2k guard list, and my first time playing a real game as them. You destroyed me

My skype is mrbutterscotch99

I like keeping track of stats because I like numbers a lot and I like to analyze data. I enjoy looking at the numbers and seeing the story they tell me about my performance. I also am very competitive and it makes me feel good to track my successes.

I honestly only track my games against players whom I feel are a solid challenge. If I play someone I always beat, it is a for fun game and I don't really take it too seriously. When I play someone who beats me often, or who is a skilled opponent, then I get ultra engaged into the game and have the most fun.

I think there is nothing wrong with tracking your stats. It's like baseball or football. Some people may think it is silly, but hey, to each their own.

So, in short, for me, the only stats that matter are those played in a tournament or league setting or against very skilled players as those are were you play your best game and represent a high level of challenge.

As for top tier players, some of the best in the world are here on Dakka.

I placed 6th at the last tourney I went to, jumping from my standard 20th place bracket. That is the only record I keep track, last placing in tournaments as to recent one.

Reecius wrote:As for top tier players, some of the best in the world are here on Dakka.

You're too kind.

My issue with posting your stats is that they really don't mean anything to anyone other than you. I mean, knock yourself out and all, but no one is going to give any weight to something so easily fabricated.

Count?

I thought you were supposed to make those records up.

W 102 L 0 D3

See I'm awesome.

@kirasu -done

Btw its hynotoad from futurama.

Thats an awesome frog.. Give yourself an extra 3 wins to your internet record.. We all know how much win records matter on the net

Kirasu wrote:records are great if you care what other people think I suppose

Kirasu wrote:We all know how much win records matter on the net

Record matters on the internet just as much as your narrative battles and galleries. Every player plays for different reasons. Every player has interests in different parts of the hobby. Some like to show off how good they are at actually playing the game. Others like to show off their artistic side. Who are you to say one is more significant than the other?

It's a game. By definition, it's meant to be competitive. You generalize that keeping record of your games played is some sub-standard or inferior part of the hobby. If anything, it should be the definitive part of the hobby. GW stresses to "play for fun". But if losing is fun to anyone (the destination, not the journey), then, well...then perhaps that person should have some instrospection time

Monster Rain wrote:

Reecius wrote:As for top tier players, some of the best in the world are here on Dakka.

You're too kind.

My issue with posting your stats is that they really don't mean anything to anyone other than you. I mean, knock yourself out and all, but no one is going to give any weight to something so easily fabricated.

That's why verifiable records are handy. Every GT and major event I've attended this year is a matter of public record, with battle reports, pictures, and sometimes TO announcements accompanying. You can't fabricate that.

If my GT record - my tournament games against the best of the best across the country is readily verifiable, why would the scope of my friendly game/local FLGS tourney record be less in scope? I should have a *better* non GT record than my GT record given the nature of competition and who attends what events.

Besides, as I've pointed out multiple times, I'm willing to let anyone in the world challenge my self-proclaimed 40k skills, and willing to put money on the fight too. Losing some cash is a small price to pay for finding someone who can beat me down on a table; finding people to learn from is the whole reason I travel around the country playing in 40k events.

Lemme ask you a question: Why do you think people would bother fabricating their record? I only have a record (as I established earlier) because I posit myself as a subject matter expert on Orks. My record serves as a foundation for people who don't know me or are new to dakka to judge the merits of the advice I give. I'm looking for, "Hrm...I haven't thought of playing my Orks like that before, but apparently its working for him, so I'll try it."

I have no pissing contest to hold with anyone else; although like I said - I'm happy to let anyone test their mettle against me from anywhere in the world (via Vassal for non-local, non-tournament players) and if they smack-talk, I encourage them to put their money where their mouth is.

Why is there such animosity towards putting a record in your signature? I do it for reasons I think are noble - helping less proficient players.

Dr. Cheesesteak wrote:

Kirasu wrote:records are great if you care what other people think I suppose

Kirasu wrote:We all know how much win records matter on the net

Record matters on the internet just as much as your narrative battles and galleries.

I disagree. Aesthetically pleasant artistic expression is much more enjoyable to the average Forum user than "W: X L: Y D: Z."

Has anyone ever actually ever looked at someone's record and been genuinely impressed? I haven't. I would say that I've had my day enhanced on many occasions by artwork and writing that I've found on these forums and galleries though...

Monster Rain wrote:
I disagree. Aesthetically pleasant artistic expression is much more enjoyable to the average Forum user than "W: X L: Y D: Z."

and i agree w/ you. The average forumer probably does enjoy that part more. But just b/c the average forum users think X, doesn't mean X is an inherent truth or fact.

Monster Rain wrote:

Dr. Cheesesteak wrote:

Kirasu wrote:records are great if you care what other people think I suppose

Kirasu wrote:We all know how much win records matter on the net

Record matters on the internet just as much as your narrative battles and galleries.

I disagree. Aesthetically pleasant artistic expression is much more enjoyable to the average Forum user than "W: X L: Y D: Z."

Has anyone ever actually ever looked at someone's record and been genuinely impressed? I haven't. I would say that I've had my day enhanced on many occasions by artwork and writing that I've found on these forums and galleries though...

You're COMPLETELY missing the point of having a record in your signature. Completely. Expand your vision beyond your petty comparison of your playing ability to other people. The record serves to present a foundation upon which to establish a subject matter expertise on something.

Example:

1. I believe that I am one of the best Ork players in the world.
2. I keep track of my record so that aspiring ork players can look at my advice, and when someone offers advice counter to mine, they can look to my record and achievements to decide which is more valuable.

chromedog wrote:I'm trying to get my tournament ranking so low in the next 12 months that I drop off the board.

My w/l/d results are irrelevant. All that is important is whether or not the game was a fun one.

Sounds like something people that lose a lot say. I'm sure you won't have to "try" too hard to accomplish your goal. Best of luck.


By the way, Dashofpepper, what is this Atlanta tournament circuit you speak of? I'm not too far from the region.

@ Dash:

All of that is based off of comparing your W/L/D ratio to other people's. Your entire post proved my point, though I would never call someone names over it. I'm sorry my opinion upset you so much but I totally stand by what I said.

Monster Rain wrote:@ Dash:

All of that is based off of comparing your W/L/D ratio to other people's. Your entire post proved my point, though I would never call someone names over it. I'm sorry my opinion upset you so much but I totally stand by what I said.

Your point was that you're not impressed by W/L/D signatures.

My point was that I don't care; its not there for your benefit.

You say....I proved your point. Well done?

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Terminus; Player-A here on Dakka helps run/organize it; Primarch (here on dakka as well) cued me into the Atlanta circuit. GW didn't approve them for the GT circuit, although attendance is better than some GTs being hosted. =p The next event is May 22nd at Treefort Games in Fayetteville GA outside Atlanta. I think its Fayetteville. Google Treefort Games. The Warfan forums are the local Atlanta folks. Its 1750, 3 round RTT; expect 30-50 people.

Dashofpepper wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:@ Dash:

All of that is based off of comparing your W/L/D ratio to other people's. Your entire post proved my point, though I would never call someone names over it. I'm sorry my opinion upset you so much but I totally stand by what I said.

Your point was that you're not impressed by W/L/D signatures.

My point was that I don't care; its not there for your benefit.

You say....I proved your point.

You say that you post your "stats" as some sort of appeal to authority on your advice on Ork Tactics based on your win record which could very easily be a massive load of bullgak(Yeah, yeah I've seen your Slaughter in Space thread. I've won a tournament or two myself so I really don't care about that.) I'm not saying that it is or isn't, but it could be and I would go out on a limb and say that most people would see it and take it with a grain of salt. You also said that I should expand my vision beyond the comparison of one's playing ability to other people's, even though your whole point is that people should listen to what you say because of the record in your signature... How is that not comparing your ability to another person's, petty or otherwise?

I only count important tournament wins.

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W/L/D
124/0/0

I count the games that last from beginning to the end. so the games where my friends Daughter decides Barbie is Slaanesh incarnate and kills half of his force don't count.

-Toeko

i count games that meet the following criteria.


1) The game was finished.

2) the game wasn't the first few i had with a new army.

3) my opponent wasn't my gaming clubs TFG(he is so easy to beat that to count it would be cheating)

Monster Rain wrote: your whole point is that people should listen to what you say because of the record in your signature..

Ork players should listen to me because the advice I give is very good.

Unfortunately, Dakka seems to be increasingly infested by people who post bad advice. People who don't even play orks post ork advice. Ork players without a working strategy post ork advice. The same happens for other races as well, but I don't care about any of them.

When these bad people post their bad advice, unwary posters soliciting that advice have to sift through the trash to find good advice. While there are plenty of people that would (and do) drop in and tell them to message me, or to listen to what I say, or link them to one of my articles...the easiest way is just to have credentials in my biography. If you can think of a better way that doesn't result in going around in circles with people posting crap advice....lemme know.

As it is, when someone posts bad advice counter to my own, I can point to my record, express to the person soliciting advice that I speak with the voice of success, and offer the person giving advice counter to mine the opportunity to play a game with me to test their theories on effective tactics / list building versus my own.

Its in the name of helping Ork players get better. I think I've said everything that needs to be said several times here, even if points are taken out of context of the whole to try making a futile point.

Ain't that the truth. 90% of the tactics "advice" that passes on this forum is utter made-up garbage, often stemming from people who don't have an assembled army, much less actual experience with the army/units in question.

Dr. Cheesesteak wrote:

Kirasu wrote:records are great if you care what other people think I suppose

Kirasu wrote:We all know how much win records matter on the net

Record matters on the internet just as much as your narrative battles and galleries. Every player plays for different reasons. Every player has interests in different parts of the hobby. Some like to show off how good they are at actually playing the game. Others like to show off their artistic side. Who are you to say one is more significant than the other?

It's a game. By definition, it's meant to be competitive. You generalize that keeping record of your games played is some sub-standard or inferior part of the hobby. If anything, it should be the definitive part of the hobby. GW stresses to "play for fun". But if losing is fun to anyone (the destination, not the journey), then, well...then perhaps that person should have some instrospection time

Never said my stuff matters either! Hell I dont care if 0 people read my stuff cause its done for my gaming group mostly. But I do believe that art is more widely viewed unless Im mistake and sites like deviant art are a figment of my imagination!

Come now.. If people cant take a little poking fun at hilariously long win/loss records then they really do take them way too seriously :p I really don't care one way or another, its just I also dont believe anyone actually reads win/loss records except for the person posting

However, I do know for a fact people read both of my campaign books and I post them because of the effort everyone involved put into it. Quite a few people enjoy reading indepth narrative driven battle reports (Example - imperial armor)..Its fun!

Either way doesnt really matter.. if you want to post it in your sig well its your sig

Ain't that the truth. 90% of the tactics "advice" that passes on this forum is utter made-up garbage, often stemming from people who don't have an assembled army, much less actual experience with the army/units in question.

Some forums have that up to 100%!

Since this thread is about plugging yourself.. Next campaign book will be over 150 pages and it wont cost 75$ like FW! (If you're an artist and want to draw something cool for the book that will be distributed everywhere then pm me)

Well, if we're going to plug ourselves here....I make parodies about Warhammer 40k.

Here's a parody of Vanilla Ice that I made called Dice Dice Baby

Terminus wrote:Ain't that the truth. 90% of the tactics "advice" that passes on this forum is utter made-up garbage, often stemming from people who don't have an assembled army, much less actual experience with the army/units in question.

This is a fact. There's plenty of insanity for the Space Marines as well. I think that I give better advice than a some others on the subject, and people can listen or not. I don't care.

I don't think that posting "stats" is going to add any gravitas to my posts though.

Kirasu wrote:

Ain't that the truth. 90% of the tactics "advice" that passes on this forum is utter made-up garbage, often stemming from people who don't have an assembled army, much less actual experience with the army/units in question.

Some forums have that up to 100%!

coughwarseercoughcough

Man, these allergies are killing me.

I don't keep records of individual games. My group has a Planetary Empires map on the wall, so it doesn't show how many games have been played, as tiles change hands frequently, it does show how well each army is doing overall.

Why do people even record it? Are they trying to enlarge their e-peen?

Henners91 wrote:Why do people even record it? Are they trying to enlarge their e-peen?

Amazing and insightful. Perhaps read the thread?

Kirasu wrote:records are great if you care what other people think I suppose

Thats my general take on it all. I can see the guys that really take it serious, like pepper. Hell if I played tournies for serious Id probably keep track of that as well. But so far in 5th, Im getting alot of draws witha few wins/losses here and there

Dashofpepper wrote:

Henners91 wrote:Why do people even record it? Are they trying to enlarge their e-peen?

Amazing and insightful. Perhaps read the thread?

Cba, I'd rather read a few sentences and then bother you all with my gut reaction.

What is the real reason then?

But I still think deep, deep down record-keepers just want to show off

Henners91 wrote:Why do people even record it? Are they trying to enlarge their e-peen?

i keep my record. it's not in my sig. wtf does that have to do w/ my e-peen?