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I would go CSM more common on the starter side of things.

My answer for everything...Orks.

I say good for you for choosing CSM. I love them to be honest. I had a good army going until my cat knocked every single model off the table and the dogs chewed them all to peices. a good 40+ CSM models...since then I havnt bothered collecting them more, but they are an awesome force, good models, and fluff wise are pretty intense, especialy if you get into a specific traitor legion, like you are with Iron Warriors. Personally I've always liked Word Bearers. Color scheme is well done, plus if you've ever played Dawn of war:dark crusade, it gives alot of character to them!

Little lord Fauntleroy wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Iron Warriors stay as far away as possible. They employ Cult Troops from the other Legions/Warbands

Correct me if once again I have failed, but don't some Iron warriors fall too far down the path of battle and become devoted to Khorne? I think I remember reading that somewhere.

Ehhhh. That's one of those things that's kind of vague.
I'm sure there are some Iron Warriors who revel in aspects of what Khorne gives them, but I'm sure there's the same for some who feel kinship to Nurgle, Tzeentch, and Slaanesh.
But once they start down the path of becoming Cultist Troops--they've generally severed their ties with their own Legion and fallen in with a warband or formed their own with like minded individuals.

Little lord Fauntleroy wrote:

Kanulwen wrote:but the most corrupted I can think of for the Iron Warriors is the fact that they bind Daemons into cybernetic bodies.

That would be an interesting idea for a unit of possessed.

Indeed.

Little lord Fauntleroy wrote:Correct me if once again I have failed, but don't some Iron warriors fall too far down the path of battle and become devoted to Khorne? I think I remember reading that somewhere.

Yeah, they discuss that in Storm of Iron. One of the main Iron Warriors leads a mob of bezerkers.

I think I've read somewhere too that Iron Warriors generally dislikes the Chaos Gods' will to have power over them, but that some becomes corrupted, and that Khorne was the most frequently.. corrupted-into/by. *nodnod*

Then again, I mostly read about the Night Lords, as I like how they look.

Oh wait, I've got the old codices right here... Third and fourth. I'll check it out.

Edit: 3rd edition didn't say much.. Although I fun a picture of a very old daemonette which made me laugh.

4th ed, though, states in the Iron Warriors' page that they cannot have other Daemons than Princes and Possessed ones, which is a pretty strong hint towards their disliking of Daemons. Then there was something about cybernetic bodies or whatever you spoke of.

emielizabeth wrote:Hello!

Hiya!

If you're starting, start small. Play small, small games (250, 400, 500 pts) to get the feel of the game.

Of the armies you list, Eldar and CSM are current books, so you have low risk of needing to "redo" stuff anytime soon. Both are fairly elite armies, so small armies are more common. Both have great painting potential. My [WWW] button has some examples of painted Eldar, among other things. See Cool Mini Or Not for more examples.

If you really like DH / WH, then you should wait a bit to see if/when they get redone. Personally, I'd avoid both of them right now.

Otherwise you could just spam a huuuge bunch of Eldar warriors that are like.. very cheap. But... You'll get a ton of casualties, and I doubt you'd win with that!

Chaos is pretty flexible in terms of how you want to paint and model them. They don't have to be uniform and each model can be modeled/styled differently as long as it matches the army colour scheme. People who really like conversions often play chaos. You can also paint them as detailed or as simple as you want (Iron Warriors have a pretty easy to paint colour scheme).

In terms of what to buy, I would start off with just one box of chaos marines. Assemble, paint and play a few small skirmish game with them (using simplified rules if you want). Buy more stuff to suit an army list you want after that. Iron Warriors tend to have alot of tanks/defilers, obliterators and heavy firepower. Basically try to squeeze in as much marines with special weapons in rhinos and heavy support/heavy weapons as possible into the army list.

A lot of pro painters like tank armies as they treat their tanks as a canvas and paint awesome freehand images on them.

Sorry if this makes me sound dumb but...

If there's no Codex for 'Iron Warriors' how would I play them/get their specs?
If I got a box of CSM and converted them into 'Iron Warriors' would I still abide by the CSM specs?

Also....I REALLY like the colors of the 'Angels of Ecstacy' and 'The Flawless Host' as seen in the Codex but don't understand how I would start an army with them especially since there isn't any fluff I've seen about them....?

In regards to any of the Chaos legions/factions, you would use the CSM book. If you feel that a particular army you want to build is better represented by a SM book then your free to use that as long as all the war gear is accounted for (AKA WYSISYG).

You can try an internet search for flawless host fluff. Some of the 40k wikis might have stuff. Otherwise Flawless host is a Slaanesh warband so it would contain stuff like a slaanesh HQ, daemonettes, and everything painted in purple/pink.

emielizabeth wrote:If there's no Codex for 'Iron Warriors' how would I play them/get their specs?

If I got a box of CSM and converted them into 'Iron Warriors' would I still abide by the CSM specs?

Also....I REALLY like the colors of the 'Angels of Ecstacy' and 'The Flawless Host' as seen in the Codex but don't understand how I would start an army with them especially since there isn't any fluff I've seen about them....?

Iron Warriors are just regular CSM with:
- at least 1 unit Obliterators (Fluff)
- at least 1 unit Vindicator ("siege" Fluff)
- no Marks except basic Mark of Chaos
- no Cult Marines
- silver armor with yellow & black "hazard stripe" trims
Roughly following the guidelines above, you do whatever you like. Chaos isn't a straitjacket.

Yup.

AoE could be anything you want, but should probably include at least some MoS units. FH should be unmarked / MoS due to the EC link, but you have freedom here, too.

That was in the 4th ed rules, I can't find anything in the 5th ed Chaos codex saying Iron Warriors may use Vindicators or several Obliterators.

@Riffzor: the fluff is mutable. They're still siegemasters (hence Vindicators, which they'd steal or make) and Oblit fluff says there's an affinity. Don't sweat it.

I think I'd go by the 4th ed Codex if I was to make an Iron Warrior force.

I just noticed, however, that Chaos actually has Vindicators and have removed the 0-1 rule on Obliderators in 5th ed. Though they don't get any of their flashy rules or wargears as they do in 4th ed.

Good luck at getting people to play you with the extra Heavy trading for a worthless Fast, along with Obits as Elite...

emielizabeth wrote:Hello!

My name is Emily and I am completely new to Warhammer. I am hoping to play as one of the 40k series but am having trouble deciding between 3. I would appreciate any input on which one might be easiest to start off with (since I've never played any sort of miniatures game), along with any possible army lists.

I am between Daemonhunters; Witch Hunters; and Eldar...I'm also kind of considering Chaos Space Marines...
I am also looking into the squad sizes and painting difficulty of the above....

Thank you

I suggest Sisters of Battle (witch hunters) with allied in Grey Knights (daemonhunters).

You can have the best of both worlds there.

As far as 40k goes, sisters of battle are the most awesome looking to me. that and blood angels sanguinary guard.

eldar are kind of pretty in their own way.

I would choose Witch Hunters as my first choice...just worried about the Codex situation...(ie there is no longer one available on the Games Workshop website) and it's pretty dated

Witch Hunters are kinda weak, but Sisters are, and have always been, rather strong. My W/L ratio is roughly 1.5:1 with my Sisters, though admittedly I don't play tournaments (the rules lawyers piss me off).

As for the codex, rumors are that it'll be released as a PDF on the site in month or two. They've already done that on the French and German sites, IIRC.

emielizabeth wrote:I would choose Witch Hunters as my first choice...just worried about the Codex situation...

Good pick, just not right now.

But from what I've heard, though, the GK codex is quite probable to be for the entire inquisition. That should come in August I think?

I haven't heard anything about the Sisters, but atleast the GK seems to get plastic models. Otherwise you can find the codex in pdf-format on the internet, I for one almost always checks the Codices' in PDF before deciding to buy them or not.

I reckon it'll be Grey Knights and Inquisition soonish (late this year, early next year?), and Sisters with Frateris Militia later on (mid next year?).

Daemons nuff said

Sisters of Battle have some really awsome stuff, as someone said, they kill evil, with fire!

Go Chaos! Chaos is your Master!

.... What? Last few posts were about going WH, so I figured I would try to spread my heresy.

Nice to see a new player. Just so you know: when GW pulls a codex/ models from their website/catalog that stores order from, it usually means that they are going to be releasing a new codex soon. But I could be wrong.

Oh, don't let anyone say that you're a bad player/painter/ect. because you're a girl. Kick their buts on the table, and if this is impossible, do so later when you have more experience. Remember to stay away from WAAC-ers, and find a forgiving/nice player for your first few games. I noticed in the OP that you mentioned an online codex. I have no doubt that this is legal and that you would never ever use, let alone mention doing something illegal upon a forum where GW sometimes checks up (hint hint). Some gamers frown upon this, but try playing a few proxy games with both armies. Proxying is when you use either other models or small items to represent the units of your army, so that you can get a feel for how they play on the battlefield. But if you prefer the look/color scheme of one, go for it.

Lastly, if you like the look of some models but not the colors, make your own color scheme! It's fun, original, makes your models stand out, and is allowed. In fact, in every codex I have read they say that such acts are okay.

Slarg232 wrote:Go Chaos! Chaos is your Master!

.... What? Last few posts were about going WH, so I figured I would try to spread my heresy.

micahaphone wrote:Nice to see a new player. Just so you know: when GW pulls a codex/ models from their website/catalog that stores order from, it usually means that they are going to be releasing a new codex soon. But I could be wrong.

Oh, don't let anyone say that you're a bad player/painter/ect. because you're a girl. Kick their buts on the table, and if this is impossible, do so later when you have more experience. Remember to stay away from WAAC-ers, and find a forgiving/nice player for your first few games. I noticed in the OP that you mentioned an online codex. I have no doubt that this is legal and that you would never ever use, let alone mention doing something illegal upon a forum where GW sometimes checks up (hint hint). Some gamers frown upon this, but try playing a few proxy games with both armies. Proxying is when you use either other models or small items to represent the units of your army, so that you can get a feel for how they play on the battlefield. But if you prefer the look/color scheme of one, go for it.

Lastly, if you like the look of some models but not the colors, make your own color scheme! It's fun, original, makes your models stand out, and is allowed. In fact, in every codex I have read they say that such acts are okay.

Also, be careful of who you play with. I crush anyone I play with a powered Fist, except my brothers (Whom are who I play most often, sadly enough). I am not quit sure what he is saying with that second paragraph about legal and illegal, but if you have a local gaming store, go there and see if they would be willing to let you play a game and if you could borrow that codex for that particular game.

I jumped into Chaos because I loved the fluff (backstory/mindset, stuff like that) but I didn't really find an army I wanted to play. So I made my own using Tin Bitz and Mythril Silver (I would upload some of them, but my camera is terrible, and it's a topic for another time). Have fun with your colors, and also make sure that you enjoy painting whichever army you choose. I used to play WHFB Orcs, but I just could never bring myself up to paint leather and skin and lost interest in them.

Thank you for the tips guys!

I'm confused on what micahaphone was saying about illegal/legal stuff too....heh. But thank you for the warning if I did read it correctly!
I am trying to figure out what color scheme I want and I like ones on certain factions (mainly the pinks/purples that come from Slaanesh) but still figuring out about 'fluff' to make it work.

If anyone does say something like that to me micahaphone I will not be insulted, I'm good at taking critique and if it's justing aimless, rude ranting I can ignore it

I will be very careful with who I play with Slarg...but once I get into it I am usually pretty competetive too!