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I actually like the fact that they took Daemons and made them their own codex. Daemons always were very interesting... a unique phenomenon in 40k.

I'm kinda hopeing that since they have gotten rid of the Daemons, they will add in Cultists. Cheap units meant to do little else but be cannon fodder for the dark gods. And lets face it, anyone stupid enough to ally themselves with the Chaos Space Marines deserve to die in the most painful death imaginable.

Hello...

Just wanted to give a quick update as to what's going through my mind...

-SoB need the 3rd edition Codex to "really work" (as stated by a very educated person of SoB); so I'm thinking I may be better off with an army with a newer Codex as my first one...I also don't know how much I enjoy the 'faith' aspect of SoB.

-Still haven't really looked into SM yet...I like that they're good with guns, tanks, and look pretty cool but dislike the fact that they're extremely common (yes, I know it's for a reason)

-CSM still into how they look but want female models >:\ Also the 'fluff' about the different factions is soooo confusing to me...

New question!
Say I made an army of CSM and for the 'Fast Attack' chose the 'Chaos Space Marine Raptors'...might I be able to use the 'Sisters of Battle Seraphim Squad' (and of course try to file/cut any holy/relic stuff on the Sisters first) as a replacement but still use the specs of the 'Chaos Space Marine Raptors'?


Thank you again EVERYONE who has put input into this and my other forums and I especially thank those who have helped with my questions in PM's!

I don't think that'll work for the simple fact of no women space marines for fluff reasons. You could try traitor guard or something like that but it'll be a tough sell for saying oh my chaos space marines from the founding have girls. :O

emielizabeth wrote:Hello...

Just wanted to give a quick update as to what's going through my mind...

-SoB need the 3rd edition Codex to "really work" (as stated by a very educated person of SoB); so I'm thinking I may be better off with an army with a newer Codex as my first one...I also don't know how much I enjoy the 'faith' aspect of SoB.

-Still haven't really looked into SM yet...I like that they're good with guns, tanks, and look pretty cool but dislike the fact that they're extremely common (yes, I know it's for a reason)

-CSM still into how they look but want female models >:\ Also the 'fluff' about the different factions is soooo confusing to me...

New question!
Say I made an army of CSM and for the 'Fast Attack' chose the 'Chaos Space Marine Raptors'...might I be able to use the 'Sisters of Battle Seraphim Squad' (and of course try to file/cut any holy/relic stuff on the Sisters first) as a replacement but still use the specs of the 'Chaos Space Marine Raptors'?


Thank you again EVERYONE who has put input into this and my other forums and I especially thank those who have helped with my questions in PM's!

Well Emily, CSM doesn't have any rules allowing them to use Fast Attack as Troop Choises in general, however a faction that fluffynessyness-wise uses Fast attack a lot (And in the old edition could have as many Raptors as they'd like whilst all others had 0-1) are the Night Lords. I like them because of their cool colour scheme and their bat wings (I'm a huge vampire fan, and will slay any Twilight, Vampire Diaries or the like fans on spot if they refer to those... those... things as vampires!). But then again, Night Lords are pretty much made out of criminals, rapists and murderers, and even though there indeed are female murderers and criminals (although I still don't understand how a woman would commit rape o.O) I'm not sure the... the... Wait.

*conjures an immage of SoB Seraphim's in Night Lord colour Scheme* ... Female vampire-reminding-like fast-attackers... Awsomenessyness.

You'd still need two troops and a HQ though before using any Fast attacks. Although I think that even the normal troopers would look awsome as Female Night Lords...

Although if you don't mind the fluff and just want female chaos fast-attackers, I'm sure any colour scheme you'd pick would look awsome, Night Lords is just a preference of my own.

Shatter.proof wrote:I don't think that'll work for the simple fact of no women space marines for fluff reasons. You could try traitor guard or something like that but it'll be a tough sell for saying oh my chaos space marines from the founding have girls. :O

Could I make up some type of fluff about the Daemonettes of Slaanesh somehow allowing for females in my CSM army? I'm trying to do a Slaanesh CSM army; that's why I chose Slaanesh...because I thought, according to previous fluff, it would be the most acceptable for females to be in it.

emielizabeth wrote:

Shatter.proof wrote:I don't think that'll work for the simple fact of no women space marines for fluff reasons. You could try traitor guard or something like that but it'll be a tough sell for saying oh my chaos space marines from the founding have girls. :O

Could I make up some type of fluff about the Daemonettes of Slaanesh somehow allowing for females in my CSM army? I'm trying to do a Slaanesh CSM army; that's why I chose Slaanesh...because I thought, according to previous fluff, it would be the most acceptable for females to be in it.

Well, Slaanesh, The Emperor's Children, were normal marines, I don't think they'd have any females. The females in the Slaanesh are the Demonettes, whom are Daemons... Not marines. About that, does Daemons have any specific gender? And if so, what gender is Slaanesh him/herself? When I read about him/her in the.. Eldar Codex I think it was, I think I bumped over both he, she and it o.O

Riffzor wrote:

emielizabeth wrote:

Shatter.proof wrote:I don't think that'll work for the simple fact of no women space marines for fluff reasons. You could try traitor guard or something like that but it'll be a tough sell for saying oh my chaos space marines from the founding have girls. :O

Could I make up some type of fluff about the Daemonettes of Slaanesh somehow allowing for females in my CSM army? I'm trying to do a Slaanesh CSM army; that's why I chose Slaanesh...because I thought, according to previous fluff, it would be the most acceptable for females to be in it.

Well, Slaanesh, The Emperor's Children, were normal marines, I don't think they'd have any females. The females in the Slaanesh are the Demonettes, whom are Daemons... Not marines. About that, does Daemons have any specific gender? And if so, what gender is Slaanesh him/herself? When I read about him/her in the.. Eldar Codex I think it was, I think I bumped over both he, she and it o.O

o.O is right...well I'll try to see if I can get any more info on this...I want girls in CSM somehow >:\

...preferably that aren't scary looking (in a daemonish way) and don't have their nips poking out...lol

Well, I'd say it's up to you. However, remember that converting models at such degree to change their genders isn't the easiest thing to do.

I don't think your friends you're playing with would mind if you'd use SoB models painted as Chaos to represent Chaos Marines, however I doubt you'd be able to play with them at your local Game Store or in tournaments.

Another army that extensively uses Females, however, are the Dark Eldar (Or even Eldar if you get Howling Banshees, though they're elites)

You could make a Wych army.. Still digging in that matter on another topic though, apparently I've got a very, very old DE codex that doesn't even have those rules in it >.<

To be pretty blunt here.

Your thoughts / ideas > fluff.

When it comes to making an army you want something you like.
I dont see how fluff should stop you from running with an idea you want, simply because it doesent mention it anywhere.
Its nice to see unique armies rather than standard out of the box models.

Imo SM are the easiest to begin with. You can play however you like, you can shoot them, get up in their face and beat them down, or even field a bunch of tanks and just go with the flow. From there you could see what you liked to do, and pick a chapter of the SM(a sub-army within the army its self).

To be pretty blunt here.

Your thoughts / ideas > fluff.

When it comes to making an army you want something you like.
I dont see how fluff should stop you from running with an idea you want, simply because it doesent mention it anywhere.
Its nice to see unique armies rather than standard out of the box models.

This is the only advice you should follow. It doesn't matter what people think is cool, not cool, undoable, etc. If you wanna convert SOB to CSM then rock it hard, and give it your best! i've never heard of it before, and who's to say that there wasnt a SoB group that didn't convert to chaos? Make it your own, you'll do great.

Riffzor wrote:Well, I'd say it's up to you. However, remember that converting models at such degree to change their genders isn't the easiest thing to do.

I don't think your friends you're playing with would mind if you'd use SoB models painted as Chaos to represent Chaos Marines, however I doubt you'd be able to play with them at your local Game Store or in tournaments.

Another army that extensively uses Females, however, are the Dark Eldar (Or even Eldar if you get Howling Banshees, though they're elites)

You could make a Wych army.. Still digging in that matter on another topic though, apparently I've got a very, very old DE codex that doesn't even have those rules in it >.<

I don't mean having a whole CSM army of converted SoB; just replacing the 'Chaos Space Marine Raptors' with the 'Chaos Space Marine Raptors'

You mean Seraphims, right? =P

I think it sounds like a nice idea, would make your CSM army kinda unique. Go for it =)

Riffzor wrote:You mean Seraphims, right? =P

I think it sounds like a nice idea, would make your CSM army kinda unique. Go for it =)

Yes I did =P

and thanks for the support! =D

OK, from a technical POV, as-is Seraphim won't work as Raptors.

If converted nicely, then, yes, Seraphim would be fine, particularly if if not Khorne / Nurgle.

Of course, converted well makes pretty much anything possible.

Buy the World Eaters' shoulder pads, paint them brass and red and put the stickers on their clear shoulders and they're good as Khorne.

Take some green stuff, give them a belly and uggly, bloated faces, use a hobby knife to scratch their armour, paint them in sickly green colours and Bam! Nurgle Female Raptors! *nod*

Pfft, just make the Female SMs to toy with the silly minds of Marine fanboys. It'll help you tell which ones are going to be unpleasant to be around. The ones that are worth playing with usually don't care either way.

Melissia! *pokes Melissia with a stick and points to the zoo-like sign* 'Do not encourage new Wargamgers to play Space Marines, Danger!'

I'm not. But they already were talking bout playing female Space Marines. So if they're gonna do it, the least they could do is troll Marine players.

Female >Chaos< space marines. *nodnod*

Go ahead and follow your ideas. Just PLEASE do one thing. Using sob s for csm sounds cool. But most people who use green stuff to make female marine (i've only seen loyalist female marines) usually overdo it w/ thin waist, large rack, ect. Now in my mind, a female in power armor + helmet would look pretty much the exact same as a regular marine. I haven't read much fluff, but I don't think that power armor is very form-fitting. Otherwise, sounds good. Take a look at this guy's site

http://www.fightingtigersofveda.com/

While they are loyalist marines, he has some females mixed in there, as seen here.

http://www.fightingtigersofveda.com/galleryHQ.html

I personally believe that using female heads made w/ green stuff or from sob is the best way to make female marines.

Oh, if you ever want to fight w/ a fluffmeister, use some of these points.
http://www.fightingtigersofveda.com/roarsgirls.html


have fun, you traitor to the emperor, you!

Hello!
Pretty much decided on my army list (not complete) today...

I was wondering if you could use models from other games/series as replacements for squads (once conversions are complete)

(ie I was thinking of replacing one CSM squad with a SoB squad)

In other words...would I be able to use the below...
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?prodId=prod1110235&rootCatGameStyle=

In my CSM army if they replaced a similar looking squad (and had conversions)?

Should be able to, as long as you let your opponent know what they are.

Slarg232 wrote:Should be able to, as long as you let your opponent know what they are.

Cool! Thank you

Be careful! Those are Inquisitor scale models, and are HUGE compared to 40k scale.

NoShoes wrote:Be careful! Those are Inquisitor scale models, and are HUGE compared to 40k scale.

They are? Never looked at 'em before...

I like that model, but if she's larger than normal... Perhaps you could use that as your sorcerer with some conversation? I mean look at the Daemon Princes, they're huge! She's just a little taller than normal... So far.

Riffzor wrote:

NoShoes wrote:Be careful! Those are Inquisitor scale models, and are HUGE compared to 40k scale.

They are? Never looked at 'em before...

I like that model, but if she's larger than normal... Perhaps you could use that as your sorcerer with some conversation? I mean look at the Daemon Princes, they're huge! She's just a little taller than normal... So far.

It's not just a bit taller, it's 54mm scale. To illustrate, here's a picture, inquisitor to normal scale from left to right.

NoShoes wrote:Be careful! Those are Inquisitor scale models, and are HUGE compared to 40k scale.

These models are death cult assassins, which are the same type as the Severina and Sevora Inquisitor figures, but in the scale you need: http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat30047&prodId=prod1670014

And I second(or third or fourth) the idea of using sisters of battle as chaos space marines should you choose, especially as you're doing a Slaanesh army(and sisters wear power armor). Converting them can be a little difficult as they're all-metal models, but you should be able to file off Imperial symbols and glue on chaos iconography in their place. The most important thing is to make sure that the models in your squad are actually carrying the weapons you want them equipped with - WYSIWYG(what you see is what you get) is important for the game, so your opponent can look at a squad/unit and know what's he or she is facing. But that certainly doesn't mean that you can't be otherwise creative in converting your army...there are many fantastically converted models and armies out there; it's part of the fun of the hobby.

Woah, those Inquisitor models are... HUGE. =o *begins to consider making a 'Chaos Space Giants' team*