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SlaveToDorkness wrote:

Only if you're an insensitive jackass with no respect for the feelings or beliefs of others.

Yes, because not worrying about someone getting butthurt about some doodlings someone else does makes me an insensitive jackass definitely. Believing that a drawing someone else did somehow destroys your religion is so very reasonable.

Perhaps not, but that's irrelevant. Have several hundred million people drawing your mother doing very unladylike things and have it covered all over the internet and media then be chipper about it. It's a sacred law to islam that the prophet not be portrayed visually. It's not hard to understand and it's not a difficult thing to avoid doing. You have no reason to draw these pictures except to insult people in a personal way. You are going out of your way to insult one in seven people on the planet intentionally. That would logically make you a jackass, regardless of how silly you think their reaction could be.

The worst part is that you likely don't even know any muslims that would be insulted. To you it's a non-issue so you have very little understanding of the human face of this topic.

But the respect of a son for the sanctity of his mother is real, and empirical. No subjectivity is involved it is a fact of the universe as created by God.

Oh, wait...

ShumaGorath wrote:And im pleased as feth i contributed to Pakistans ridiculous over reaction. The pen is indeed mightier than the sword eh?

Yeah you're really striking out at pakistan. I'm sure the loss of revenue for facebook and the clamping down of freedoms in pakistan is really teaching the wacky pakistani government a lesson.

Do you read the things you type?

Those submitting pictures of Mohammed must be aware that we don't really have a freedom of speech anyways. As an example, the use of the N word. Sure I can use it, but to do so in a way as to deliberately insult or belittle someone is a hate crime.

Drawing Mohammed in this way is a hate crime. Just that 85,000 or so people are jumping on the bandwagon in an attempt to feel superior, because they can get away with it. But it is the same thing. Why not have the KKK host a facebook page? Why not Nazis? Why only do it to Muslims? Because they mind, a lot.

It's just petty, and I am above it.

So, if I kill a White dude, it's not the same as killing a Black Guy?

Yeah, that makes sense. I've never understood the concept of why "hate" crime is worse than normal crime.

I just disagree with apologists like you, I think the problem is worse than people think in Europe, not better.

Yes, and I believe that you make the problem up to cover up for the fact that your economies are breaking and most of your countries have declining native populations.

Those who claim to support and empathise with the Palestinians must recognise that it is the terrorists of Hamas who have so disastrously betrayed their own people. No matter what Islam apologists like you and the many of this forum say, there is a clear choice to Muslims, between Hamas, a terrorist group committed to destroying a sovereign state and its people, and Israel, the region's only democracy which is responding to that threat.

This thread is about pakistan.

Oh and sorry, what do you personally find disgusting about the UK? Im curious!

Racial xenophobia and the constant and successful attempts at creating an unconstitutional nanny state.

Im not great fan of Isreal, but it is laughable to suggest that "the overwhelming majority" of Muslims are nice peaceful people who condemn terrorism. I dont see them whinging about Hamas as often as i see them whinging about pretty much everything else.

Magical. You also trick yourself into believing lots of other things so this isn't really surprising.

Those submitting pictures of Mohammed must be aware that we don't really have a freedom of speech anyways. As an example, the use of the N word. Sure I can use it, but to do so in a way as to deliberately insult or belittle someone is a hate crime.

No. No it's not. You don't know what the term hate crime implies.

So, if I kill a White dude, it's not the same as killing a Black Guy?

Yeah, that makes sense. I've never understood the concept of why "hate" crime is worse than normal crime.

It's not. Hate crimes are meant to reduce the prevalence of racially motivated crimes via harsher penalties. You punish the motivation, not the crime. It's a form of social engineering and it's somewhat successful (primarily in regards to homosexual hate crimes).

Vaer, im aware its a tad petty. But its funny too, and im happy to admit im somewhat petty and childish.

But seriously, check the group out, some of them are fething funny. I just think its hilarious that Muslims have such a lack of a sense of humour, so i mock them.. whats so screwed up about that?

This one for example.

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Awesome picture, but I think the mods are gonna frown upon it....

I completely agree with matty on how overlooked this problem seems to be to you guys.

To me the problem isn't that their slowly gaining on the native population, it's that that lots of them are actively working to turn us into an Islamic country. To bad those things go hand in hand...

mattyrm, I freely admit some are funny. So are rascist jokes.

Shuma, the US and the UK are very similar. I know you like to wind people up, but do you actually believe that the US is so much better?

The economy?!

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124753066246235811.html

Declining native populations?

Racial Xenophobia?!?!

I know your just trying to "needle" me mate, so ill not bother going into one about it.. but seriously.. think before you type eh?

To me the problem isn't that their slowly gaining on the native population, it's that that lots of them are actively working to turn us into an Islamic country. To bad those things go hand in hand...

Just how exactly are they doing that?

Vaercathor wrote:mattyrm, I freely admit some are funny. So are rascist jokes.

They are the best jokes, like this excellent example!

An Englishman, Irishman, Welshman, Scotsman were captured while fighting in a far-off foreign land, and the leader of the captors said, 'We're going to line you up in front of a firing squad and shoot you all in turn. But first, you each can make a final wish.'

The Englishman responds, 'I'd like to hear "God Save The Queen" just one more time to remind me of the auld country, played by the London All Boys Choir. With Morris Dancers Dancing to the tune.'

The Irishman replies, 'I'd like to hear "Danny Boy" just one more time to remind me of the auld country, sung in the style of Daniel O'Donnell, with Riverdance dancers skipping gaily to the tune.'

The Welshman answers, 'I'd like to hear "Men Of Harlech" just one more time to remind me of the country, sung as if by the Treorchy Male Voice Choir.'

The Scotsman says quickly, 'I'd like to be shot first.'

mattyrm wrote:Shuma, the US and the UK are very similar. I know you like to wind people up, but do you actually believe that the US is so much better?

The economy?!

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124753066246235811.html

Declining native populations?

Racial Xenophobia?!?!

I know your just trying to "needle" me mate, so ill not bother going into one about it.. but seriously.. think before you type eh?

I never said anything about my feelings concerning the u.s. You asked me about the UK and I answered. You use your muslim population as a crutch without actually paying attention to logic or statistics we use our latino population for the same. Remember the Arizona thread? I'm not needling, I'm telling you to check your head and work to fix your country like I do with mine.

Gwar, that's not a rascist joke. That's a race joke.

Vaercathor wrote:Gwar, that's not a rascist joke. That's a race joke.

Fine, how about this then?

Englishman, an Irishman & a Scotsman in France are sentenced to death by guillotine.

The Englisman walks silently to the device and puts his head on the block. The executioner pulls the lever, but the blade doesn't fall. The governor says ' If this happens 3 times then by French law you walk free'. The lever is pulled twice more & still the blade doesn't fall so he was set free.

The same thing happens when the Scotsman had his head on the block & he was set free.

The Irishman is then dragged, kicking and screaming, "I'm not going near that thing until it is fixed!"

I laughed at that one, I admit.(the cartoon)

You know, without taking sides either way, matty did make me think for a minute there.

You have all the far right nutters screaming about the Islamic threat. And then you have all the liberalist newspapers featuring articles from 'Muslim leaders'who tell you that it's apparently only a minority who are nutters.

I assume that most of them aren't religious nutters, because I like to think that most people are pretty much like me:-average people going through life. But what if that's not the case? In assuming that the 'Islamic Threat' is a right wing fallacy, I'm blindly taking what the newspapers are telling me as gospel truth. It wasn't so long ago that the West was a bunch of religious nutters. Who's to say the socially, technologically, and economically more backward middle east and the religion it generally espouses isn't still like that?

I don't really know any muslims. For all I know 90% of those 1 in every 7 people wants me dead, and my mother to wear a veil. I wouldn't know. All I've done up to this point is assume that what the liberalist media tells me is true.

Hmmm. I guess what I'm saying is, everyone(in the media) says that it's a minority, but how do I know that? I mean, let's face it, the media tells lies and includes bias all the time.

Gwar! wrote:

Vaercathor wrote:mattyrm, I freely admit some are funny. So are rascist jokes.

They are the best jokes, like this excellent example!

An Englishman, Irishman, Welshman, Scotsman were captured while fighting in a far-off foreign land, and the leader of the captors said, 'We're going to line you up in front of a firing squad and shoot you all in turn. But first, you each can make a final wish.'

The Englishman responds, 'I'd like to hear "God Save The Queen" just one more time to remind me of the auld country, played by the London All Boys Choir. With Morris Dancers Dancing to the tune.'

The Irishman replies, 'I'd like to hear "Danny Boy" just one more time to remind me of the auld country, sung in the style of Daniel O'Donnell, with Riverdance dancers skipping gaily to the tune.'

The Welshman answers, 'I'd like to hear "Men Of Harlech" just one more time to remind me of the country, sung as if by the Treorchy Male Voice Choir.'

The Scotsman says quickly, 'I'd like to be shot first.'

hahahha thats great

Think of it another way: If it is a threat, what would you do about it? Neo-crusade?

As Gene Hunt, from the TV series Life On Mars, once said: "A hate crime murder! As opposed to one of those I-really-like-you-crimes!"

Back on topic. Once again, I ask - why mock the prophet? It's cheap, it's easy, and it's not clever. It distracts from the real issue i.e the fragile state of the freedom of speech laws in this country. In the UK, it's not that people are afraid of offending Muslims, it seems that people are afraid of offending ANYBODY for fear of being hauled in front of the beak (translation for US members: Judge).

It's why you get the comic/surreal/ironic situation of BNP members(translation for US members: an extreme right wing UK party) becoming free speech martyrs!

Soladrin wrote:To me the problem isn't that their slowly gaining on the native population, it's that that lots of them are actively working to turn us into an Islamic country. To bad those things go hand in hand...

That sounds like a personal problem. If you guys were a little quicker you could have recruited some of the better minorities: the short ones who do math good and don't like getting politically involved. It's like picking teams in gym you guys should have been picking the Japanese kid who's the pitcher on the little league team but instead you felt bad and picked the weird Lebanese kid who's never played dodgeball. So now your team sucks and it's your own fault.

You got to be in it to win it, son.

dogma wrote:Think of it another way: If it is a threat, what would you do about it? Neo-crusade?

I suppose, what the right wing nutters do, which is a scary thought!

Makes you wonder which side is the brainwashed one though.....

ShumaGorath wrote:

To me the problem isn't that their slowly gaining on the native population, it's that that lots of them are actively working to turn us into an Islamic country. To bad those things go hand in hand...

Just how exactly are they doing that?

Well, the legit way, getting into politics and such. Rotterdam's new Mayor for example is Islamic.

The sad irony of all this is that the "Muslim world" was once the most scientifically advanced, tolerant and secular places on the planet, as opposed to the technologically repressed religiously controlled west.

Gwar, still not a rascist joke. But very funny.

This idea about an Islamic 'conspiracy' to take over Europe is nothing new. We've had Catholic conspiracies, Jewish conspiracies, Free mason conspiracies... the list goes on. I keep hearing the same old song

Yeah your right Shuma.. i just feel like we cant work to fix anything, i mean, im just an aging lower middle class fella.. what the hell difference can i make to the countries big issues? I prefer not to get dillusions of granduer and merely laugh and try an enjoy myself...

I admit im prone to being a tad rash.. but soldiers get taught to see things in black and white... ignore all that "grey" gak.

And yeah im glad you liked that Ketara, some of them make me smile.. and thats my point. If they smiled too.. then groups like this WOULDNT GET MADE.

You know.. like if your kids and you call a kid names and he responds, you carry on doing it. I just think Muslims really need to... massage their humour glands.

avantgarde wrote:

Soladrin wrote:To me the problem isn't that their slowly gaining on the native population, it's that that lots of them are actively working to turn us into an Islamic country. To bad those things go hand in hand...

That sounds like a personal problem. If you guys were a little quicker you could have recruited some of the better minorities: the short ones who do math good and don't like getting politically involved. It's like picking teams in gym you guys should have been picking the Japanese kid who's the pitcher on the little league team but instead you felt bad and picked the weird Lebanese kid who's never played dodgeball. So now your team sucks and it's your own fault.

You got to be in it to win it, son.

Wait wait wait.... it's my personal fault they got in here? That's a good one. This ball started rolling before I was born, or of any age to be able to comprehend it.

Ketara wrote:
I suppose, what the right wing nutters do, which is a scary thought!

Makes you wonder which side is the brainwashed one though.....

Both of them are brainwashed. The vast majority of people that will state an opinion about the ideological demography of the Muslim world are unlikely to be doing anything beyond parroting the opinion of another, marginally more qualified individual. The fact that one brainwashed opinion might correspond with fact doesn't negate its original nature.

Still, if Muslims are a threat akin to what the right believes, the only solution is mass deportation, and the restriction of immigration to non-Muslims; which really just means getting rid of people who look scary, as it isn't hard to lie about your beliefs.

In that case, wouldn't the solution here to simply go with what I empirically experience, so as to avoid being one of the brainwashed? Works for me.

In other words, I don't know.

In the US the Freedom of Speech stopped being just that a long time before I was born.

I can't use racial slurs, can't hang up signs or billboards that might offend someone.

Sorry, 1st Amendment is on a slow decline and it's only worsened every year that the PC police are allowed to infringe upon my freedom to express and say what I want.