Ard boyz semi-finals scenarios?

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**Krak_kirby**

I'm guessing the missions will be up tomorrow, after the trade sales guys get into the office. I'm looking forward to what army I should bring as well. I like the idea of guard or orks, but I also have marine and eldar builds that might fit the scenarios better.

**Valhallan42nd**

It would be nice to get these out ASAP. So we can get things clarified when they overlook something.

**bachus248**

I took 4th at prelimsand was sure that i wasn't going, but i was just told that number 3 has to back out. So i get to go but no time to rebuild my army. So i will take the same army that got me to the first placefor losers two years running. LOL

**just2fierce**

Anyone else been checking the gw site? They still haven't posted the senarios............BIG FROWN!!!

**titasah64**

as of now still not up

**tetrisphreak**

This is likely caused by the backlash last month when the scenarios were released. Maybe GW is actually taking time to work out some of the kinks this time around...

HAHAHAHA omg, sorry, i thought I could restrain myself. Like GW would ever thoroughly think something through, what was i thinking?

edit - the 'what's new today' feature hasn't been updated for monday june 7, either, so maybe the web team really did just drop the ball this morning. it's about 2:30 PM London time now, right?

**jbunny**

kartofelkopf wrote:Meh- it's one thing to "list tailor" for a particular opponent/army, but building a list to play to a particular scenario... what's wrong with that?

Intentionally ignoring available information is handicapping yourself irrationally.

With 'list tailoring' for opponents, you can get screwed by a) not drawing that opponent b) them playing a different list. [as an aside, we were doing a campaign where a players race was known, but not their list, which could change game by game. I was Orks, usually run a foot horde, but showed up for a game with Kans, Dreads, and BWs; that was a short game]

With pre-determined scenarios, OF COURSE you alter your list to match. Playing standard games of 40k, do the missions influence your list? Obviously, they do- people make sure to have multiple, mobile scoring units for the 2/3 of missions where those are important.

I understand people don't like to 'list tailor' but the pejorative association there should only be directed at people tailoring to particular opponents.

TL;DR: Playing to the scenarios is acceptable and encouraged.

The only problem with changing your list for one mission is it can completely change your playstyle. I run fast moving Blood Angels. If I changed up to all footslogging tact squads it would be a complete departure from my normal playstle, and could cost me greatly.

I took a list that gave up 35KP's in total, but I only lost 5 in my game will being one model short of tabling the guy. I still have a 7+ margin and got all bonus points for the mission.

**don_mondo**

tetrisphreak wrote:This is likely caused by the backlash last month when the scenarios were released. Maybe GW is actually taking time to work out some of the kinks this time around...

Nahhhh, they just figure that if they wait until the last minute to post them, then the local TOs wil be the ones having to deal with their lack of competence.

**barontuman**

Anyone called them and asked them what's going on?

**dereksatkinson**

barontuman wrote:Anyone called them and asked them what's going on?

Call who? GW sales can't help.. Ard Boyz is done by the trade reps.

**barontuman**

Yet it is called "customer service" :lol:

**dereksatkinson**

barontuman wrote:Yet it is called "customer service" :lol:

I emailed a rep.

**CaptainChaos**

This sucks! It is the anticipation that kills you. Im excited as this is my first year of ard boyz. Which would also make it my first year of making it to the regional event.

**The Everliving**

Is it certain that the scenarios for the semis will be different than the ones for the prelims? I didn't play last year but I don't recall the scenarios changing at all in 2008...

**CaptainChaos**

Actually, I am almost certain the scenarios will be the same as the prelims. SWEET!

**don_mondo**

Nothing is certain, but they have indeed changed the scenarios in previous years.

**Kirasu**

Every year the scenarios have been different.. However some years they procrastinate more than others

Its very time consuming to write 3 missions in 1 month. They could do them all at once, but unfortunately that might break the 3 month window!

**Valhallan42nd**

I really wish GW would move forward with this. I think they're afraid that we'll tear them to pieces over whatever scenarios they publish. Which, to be honest, will happen.

It's like pulling off a band-aid, GW. The longer you wait, the more the internet subhumans will wail and gnash their teeth. That being said, out of that general internet noise, there can be useful things that come out of it, like the clarifications for scenario three.

**just2fierce**

I called customer service yesterday, Swan who is really nice BTW transferred me to someone who was a trade rep(didn't write a name down) and he said that they would be up sometime yesterday....guess he was wrong! WTF is the deal?

**CaptKaruthors**

WTH GW? Get these things posted already. Some people have some traveling to do and would like the the army portion to be planned by now.

**Omeryar**

The scenario's will be posted on Thursday. I just got off the phone with a rep from GW and that is the what they are being told to tell people that call in. They could give me no further information even though I hinted at a bribe (empty promise) for the down low.

Good luck at the semi's dudes, my nids can't wait to eat ya

**CatPeeler**

Valhallan42nd wrote:I really wish GW would move forward with this. I think they're afraid that we'll tear them to pieces over whatever scenarios they publish. Which, to be honest, will happen.

How's that saying go? "Never ascribe malice to what can easily be explained by incompetence?"

**Omeryar**

I like "Non-Illigitmus carberundum" ; Don't let the bastards wear you down. It's kind of my credo.

**Hacksaaw**

Thursday. cool. would be nice if they could trust store owners not to leak the scenarios to favorite locals, so they could spring them on the tourney goers saturday morning.

then people would be forced to bring the best list they could make for any eventuality.

**Kirasu**

That assumes GW had them ready to go.. Virtually every year they make a mistake or a typo and have to rerelease all the missions the night before

Makes no sense to give them to store owners if they're not even correct the first time

**Valhallan42nd**

Kirasu wrote: That assumes GW had them ready to go.. Virtually every year they make a mistake or a typo and have to rerelease all the missions the night before

Makes no sense to give them to store owners if they're not even correct the first time

This, a thousand times a thousand times.

**CaptKaruthors**

Bah. Thursday? Seriously. The window of time to catch errors, etc. is small. Hopefully, the delay is because they are scrutinizing the missions more. Either way, it's a planning nightmare.

**don_mondo**

don_mondo wrote:
Nahhhh, they just figure that if they wait until the last minute to post them, then the local TOs wil be the ones having to deal with their lack of competence.

As I said earlier.........................

**Valhallan42nd**

CaptKaruthors wrote:Bah. Thursday? Seriously. The window of time to catch errors, etc. is small. Hopefully, the delay is because they are scrutinizing the missions more. Either way, it's a planning nightmare.

I hope you are correct, but I believe that there will be errors and confusions created by groupthink. They will all know what they mean when they write out a special rule, as they all play to a certain internal convention. But we don't all play to those some conventions as they.

I hope they are explicit in their terms. I don't want to promote legalese in a tournament, but this is for some significant swag. It's better to have legalese than misunderstanding.

**game.dude**

Ok, so we start with the main 'Ard Boyz page quote from Tironum ( note you were half right )

You should expect rules online about a month before a scheduled event, and scenarios for each event about 2-3 weeks before each round.

Then, when the 40K rules are put up (filled with cut and paste errors copying from last year) they change it to...

Scenarios will be posted one week prior to the event.

Mannahnin nailed that one.

It just shows a total lack of effort and I am disgusted.

And to comment on Hacksaw's post...

Thursday. cool. would be nice if they could trust store owners not to leak the scenarios to favorite locals, so they could spring them on the tourney goers saturday morning.

That has happened before and supposedly was fixed by going online with their missions. Unscrupulous venues have been removed from the list of semi locations as well.

I am still disgusted.