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Does GW usually post these scenarios before the semi finals?

Or do people usually go not knowing them?

They are usually posted a few days prior, about the same time they send them to the stores. Prevents any shenanagins with store favorites knowing the scenarios in advance.

Info can be found on the Games Workshop website.

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/articleCategory.jsp?communityArticleCatId=400002a&articleCatId=400002a&catId=§ion=community

You should expect rules updates online about a month before a scheduled event, and scenarios for each event up about 2-3 weeks before each round.

The rules this year (and I believe last year) state that scenarios will be posted approximately a week before.

Originally the scenarios were all supposed to be surprises on the day, but logistically they had to send them to the stores/organizers in advance, and a couple of years ago there was a problem where it came out that some of the organizers were sharing them with friends, who were then participating with armies customized to the mission, thus gaining an unfair advantage on those who did not know the missions in advance. That’s why they switched to a public release.

Will the scenarios be different at the semi's than the prelims?

So far, yes. And I'd expect they will be different this year as well. I hope to hell #3 is different, at least.)

Jeez, any word on when these are hitting the streets? It's a week away dammit. Come on GW, get the lead out.

CaptKaruthors wrote:Jeez, any word on when these are hitting the streets? It's a week away dammit. Come on GW, get the lead out.

LOL, yep, I've been hovering around the Ard Boyz page for a week now to get a look at the missions...

I just want them to post the scenarios so i can make my list..

Not planning on changing my list. I did not change it for the dreaded 3rd mission, and I got max points on it. So unless all 3 missions hose my list over, I will be running the same list with a small tweek.

I want to see the missions so I can plan around any problem areas.

jbunny wrote:Not planning on changing my list. I did not change it for the dreaded 3rd mission, and I got max points on it. So unless all 3 missions hose my list over, I will be running the same list with a small tweek.

I want to see the missions so I can plan around any problem areas.

If the 3rd mission happens again at the semi-finals I wont be bringing the same list.. I heavily favors certain builds.

dereksatkinson wrote:I just want them to post the scenarios so i can make my list..

I'm a fan of running the same list regardless of mission or opponents.

The missions will not effect my list in anyway, I am tweaking it to make better use of my points. I just like studying the scenarios ahead of time so I waste less time when i'm at the tournament. After all running 100 foot slogging marines I will need all that spare time

The missions do not necessarily effect my lists; however, it will help me determine which army I will take, either foot Eldar or mech Chaos.

List tailoring is something I don't do. Just build the best list you can and try to win based on your skill!

Meh- it's one thing to "list tailor" for a particular opponent/army, but building a list to play to a particular scenario... what's wrong with that?

Intentionally ignoring available information is handicapping yourself irrationally.

With 'list tailoring' for opponents, you can get screwed by a) not drawing that opponent b) them playing a different list. [as an aside, we were doing a campaign where a players race was known, but not their list, which could change game by game. I was Orks, usually run a foot horde, but showed up for a game with Kans, Dreads, and BWs; that was a short game]

With pre-determined scenarios, OF COURSE you alter your list to match. Playing standard games of 40k, do the missions influence your list? Obviously, they do- people make sure to have multiple, mobile scoring units for the 2/3 of missions where those are important.

I understand people don't like to 'list tailor' but the pejorative association there should only be directed at people tailoring to particular opponents.

TL;DR: Playing to the scenarios is acceptable and encouraged.

That's a good point, kartofelkopf. Still, I don't think the missions last time were extreme enough to cause massive revisions to one's list. The object is to crush and massacre your opponent, first and foremost.

Oh, agreed- I ran a very similar list to the one I took last year, but, if there was some sort of exceptionally wonky scenario, or 2 that had very similar benefits (or drawbacks!) for a particular unit type, I might rework some of my list to account for it. If, for example, Scenario 3 AND Scenario 2 hosed transports, I'd understand people flipping out.

Monster Rain wrote:List tailoring is something I don't do. Just build the best list you can and try to win based on your skill!

You mean you didn't build your army with the standard missions of 40k in mind?

cerealkiller195 wrote:The missions will not effect my list in anyway, I am tweaking it to make better use of my points. I just like studying the scenarios ahead of time so I waste less time when i'm at the tournament. After all running 100 foot slogging marines I will need all that spare time

In the 3rd scenario in the prelims certain armies couldn't do well in that scenario unless they managed to get the right draw. When killing 3 terminators squads has the same number of KP as a single 50 point ravenwing attack bike you better take that into consideration for that third round. Not adjusting is simply foolish

And knowing is half the battle!

I run necrons, so can someone explain what list tailoring is? HAHA jk... yea I tailor as much as my codex allows! so yea I must be an excellent tailor... or somethign of that sort. Anyway I am among you fellas that are overly anxious to see the funktified scenarios GW is gonna have for us at semi's. too expensive for me to make it to ILL from CA, but it s worth the playtime to pick up a new start to an army besides necrons... Im pretty maxed out till I get a new codex in 2112 (no typo there im just not dellusional about the release) Well, here s to having an f5 complex on the GW ard boys page!

Umm... is that the Pillsbury Dough Boy raping the Blue Bonnet butter girl on a hostess cake?

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Very nice, high five

maybe... ever wonder how they get the cream filling in those little debbie snak cakes? sorry for the serious off topic....

I think it is little debbie......

i walked in to round 1 with out looking at the scenarios. to bad i run mech IG, scenario 3 was a shock. just with that said i still took first in the terny with 69pts. but the crazy one was 2ed place was dark eldar, running mech with far more kill points then me. it just gos to show that even with the deficit the scenario realy wasnt that bid of a killer. i would guess alot of the people on the thread was running mech.

still with that said i would hate to see it in round 2 lol

Danny Internets wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:List tailoring is something I don't do. Just build the best list you can and try to win based on your skill!

You mean you didn't build your army with the standard missions of 40k in mind?

Not really. I build the list I want, and rely on skill to win. Sometimes it works out, and sometimes it doesn't. When I lose, I remind myself that this is a hobby I participate in for fun and don't get all that bent out of shape about it.

Monster Rain wrote:

Danny Internets wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:List tailoring is something I don't do. Just build the best list you can and try to win based on your skill!

You mean you didn't build your army with the standard missions of 40k in mind?

Not really. I build the list I want, and rely on skill to win. Sometimes it works out, and sometimes it doesn't. When I lose, I remind myself that this is a hobby I participate in for fun and don't get all that bent out of shape about it.

hmm, and here i thought you relied upon Vulkhan and his rerolls to win?

Hacksaaw wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:

Danny Internets wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:List tailoring is something I don't do. Just build the best list you can and try to win based on your skill!

You mean you didn't build your army with the standard missions of 40k in mind?

Not really. I build the list I want, and rely on skill to win. Sometimes it works out, and sometimes it doesn't. When I lose, I remind myself that this is a hobby I participate in for fun and don't get all that bent out of shape about it.

hmm, and here i thought you relied upon Vulkhan and his rerolls to win?

I rely on Vulkan to make my luck on my to-hit rolls with Melta Guns improve from "Abominable" to "Slightly Below Average."

wow gw doesnt have the missions for the public yet. I bet that sucks. lol they arent that bad.