So, what happened to all the Primarchs?

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**Henners91**

Short answer:

If they're a loyalist, GW found a convenient way to get rid of them.

If they're a traitor, then it's more than likely than not that they're just itching their arses sitting on some backwater daemon-world doing nothing.

**Luna Havoc**

TyraelVladinhurst wrote:
somecallmeJack wrote:
Luna Havoc wrote:
TyraelVladinhurst wrote:russ is alive.... as for primarch models, i can't see it happening at least not officially. though rules for them have been done, tempus fugitives made them well balanced but not unkillable

they havent done a model for him, but angron is a playable daemon prince/primarch. granted its ni-impossible to field him but his does have his own stats and gear.

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Vulkan might have been lost at the dropsite massacre of Isstavan V, it was never really comfirmed.

Where can I find the rules for Angron?

an old white dwarf

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?community=&catId=cat1290027&categoryId=600005&aId=11600027
thats where its located under Battle for Armageddon

**somecallmeJack**

Nice one Luna Havoc. He seems a bit over-priced though!

**Melissia**

They all saw how much GW loved the ultramarines that they decided to ragequit.

**bash_bates**

Ilkhan wrote:It's easy to say that the missing Primarchs are just dead, but I really hope it's not the case. If 40k ever actually ends I think it should be with the missing Primarchs returning, to be joined by the healed Guilliman and a resurrected Emperor, only to have to hold the line against a full scale Chaos invasion headed by all the Daemon Prince Primarchs (and perhaps the Chaos Gods themselves), the full-scale rise of the Necrons, massive Waaghs and Hive Fleets, and the ascendant Ynnead, Eldar God of the Dead. This universe deserves to go out with the biggest bang imaginable.

I just don't know how the Tau could get in on the uberness.

the tau would probably be the ones left over at the end to pick up the pieces!

either that or the grots will take over...

**purplefood**

oggers wrote:What do they mean by Vulkan 'disappearing'?

As in he is gone and no one knows where he is

**Kogwar**

CHeck here it also tells in detail what happened to most of them and also alot of them are said to be comign bakc in the End of day and yes i know they all have different names for that time but it is all the same it is mentioned in the sm fluff and the eldar fluff for the pheonix lords.
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Primarchs

**Temujin**

FITZZ wrote: This is a bit off the original topic,but does anyone else see the similarities between the Night Lords Primarch Konrad Curze and the Character of Colonel Kurtz in "Apocalypse Now"?

Apocalypse Now is based on Joseph Conrad's novel Heart of Darkness, which also had a character called Kurtz. I must admit I'd never realised that the assassin's name came from Martin Sheen.

**chub**

All the Primarchs are dead, apart from the deamon prince ones and Guilliman. It said so in Codex Imperialis

"Although long lived, the Primarchs were not immortal and the last of their kind finally died after fourteen hundred years."

So there you have it, unless GW decide to rewrite their own fluff, and we all know that won't ever happen.....

**Gwar!**

chub wrote:All the Primarchs are dead, apart from the deamon prince ones and Guilliman. It said so in Codex Imperialis

"Although long lived, the Primarchs were not immortal and the last of their kind finally died after fourteen hundred years."

So there you have it, unless GW decide to rewrite their own fluff, and we all know that won't ever happen.....

You do realise that all fluff is written from someone viewpoint, and that all of it is bias in one way or another and that there is not one single piece of fluff in a 3rd person omnipotent view?

**Lord of battles**

Vulkan went out for smokes but never came back/

**Temujin**

Gwar! wrote: ...there is not one single piece of fluff in a 3rd person omnipotent view?

We have some lines written from the perspectives of beings who might well be near omnipotent, albeit perhaps not so trustworthy.

**chub**

Gwar! wrote:
chub wrote:All the Primarchs are dead, apart from the deamon prince ones and Guilliman. It said so in Codex Imperialis

"Although long lived, the Primarchs were not immortal and the last of their kind finally died after fourteen hundred years."

So there you have it, unless GW decide to rewrite their own fluff, and we all know that won't ever happen.....
You do realise that all fluff is written from someone viewpoint, and that all of it is bias in one way or another and that there is not one single piece of fluff in a 3rd person omnipotent view?

Actually I wasnt aware, but that is hardly suprising as I dont pay much attention to it. I only posted the comment I made as I thought I remembered seeing it all those years ago, and a quick flick through found it.
Also Codex Imperialis doesnt read like a point of view more like a sourcebook which it is, being a part of 2nd editions core rule books

**Gwar!**

chub wrote:Also Codex Imperialis doesnt read like a point of view more like a sourcebook which it is, being a part of 2nd editions core rule books

The name kind of gives you a hint, don't ya think?

**DEUS VULT**

Lord of battles wrote:Vulkan went out for smokes but never came back/

He does that to all his families. Last time it was for a gallon of milk. What a deadbeat.

**chub**

@ GWAR Didnt really think about that, Dont really care either, fluff is fluff and as far as I am concerned is 99% of the time totally needless

**bash_bates**

Fluff adds that extra depth to the game. It's one of the reasons my interest has been kept for so long. Fluff is important as it explains WHY legions/ chapters/ alien races act the way the do. Without the fluff it would just be a bunch of races with no background fighting for the sake of fighting. These forums would be bland had there not been any fluff to debate/ reasons to convert models. Without the fluff there is no 40K. Simples.

**chub**

bash_bates wrote:Fluff adds that extra depth to the game. It's one of the reasons my interest has been kept for so long. Fluff is important as it explains WHY legions/ chapters/ alien races act the way the do. Without the fluff it would just be a bunch of races with no background fighting for the sake of fighting. These forums would be bland had there not been any fluff to debate/ reasons to convert models. Without the fluff there is no 40K. Simples.

Yet it means nothing to me when I play a game I am just pushing miniatures around a board and rolling dice, to me the game is all about the social interaction, I could just as easily be playing chess except I am not smart enough. Dont get me wrong Ive read dozens and dozens of BL novels but I enjoy them for what they are just 'Pulp Fiction' stories,they have no bearing on what I play or how I play. I also understand there are many out there who like yourself are kept interested by the fluff and even I have to admit I can get sucked into their excitement when I play against someone that enthusiastic.

**bash_bates**

It can be infectious. The fluff doesn't effect how the game is played so much, but can change how the army is collected and structured. So does it have a knock on effect into how the games played? Maybe.

**Sgt.Roadkill**

chub wrote:@ GWAR Didnt really think about that, Dont really care either, fluff is fluff and as far as I am concerned is 99% of the time totally needless

then why are you posting in the fluff section of this website?

anyhoo pretty much everythign has been said in regards to this HOWEVER

there were models for some of the primarch remember. 40k you had leman Russ and Robute Guilliman (SP for all) and in Epic You had Fulgrim and Angron IIRC, they were the size of titans. I think there may have been more but i can't remember.

**TyraelVladinhurst**

Sgt.Roadkill wrote:
chub wrote:@ GWAR Didnt really think about that, Dont really care either, fluff is fluff and as far as I am concerned is 99% of the time totally needless

then why are you posting in the fluff section of this website?

anyhoo pretty much everythign has been said in regards to this HOWEVER

there were models for some of the primarch remember. 40k you had leman Russ and Robute Guilliman (SP for all) and in Epic You had Fulgrim and Angron IIRC, they were the size of titans. I think there may have been more but i can't remember.

morty and magnus as well

**Alpharius**

Starting to get slightly uncivil in this thread.

Lets endeavor to keep things in check.

And yes, it probably isn't the smartest tactical decision to come into the Background Forum and post in a thread on the Primarchs if you really don't care about the Background.

**chub**

Alpharius wrote:Starting to get slightly uncivil in this thread.

Lets endeavor to keep things in check.

And yes, it probably isn't the smartest tactical decision to come into the Background Forum and post in a thread on the Primarchs if you really don't care about the Background.

Sorry I dont often post in the fluff side of things, only on this occasion I thoughyt I had information that was relevant.

**bash_bates**

Has anyone found any pictures of the Epic models???

**Alpharius**

Magnus the Red:

Mortarion:

Angron:

Fulgrim:

**Retribution**

Melissia wrote:They all saw how much GW loved the ultramarines that they decided to ragequit.

Haha

**Kogwar**

chub wrote:All the Primarchs are dead, apart from the deamon prince ones and Guilliman. It said so in Codex Imperialis

"Although long lived, the Primarchs were not immortal and the last of their kind finally died after fourteen hundred years."

So there you have it, unless GW decide to rewrite their own fluff, and we all know that won't ever happen.....

Also Lion is still alive in the rock

**Gwar!**

And Russ is still alive in the EoT, getting phenomenally drunk.

**SonofTerra**

Dont forget that Alpharius and/or Omegon are still alive as well.

**tallshortguy**

I remember reading somewhere of rumors that Russ was spotted along with the 13th Company during the 13th Black Crusade.