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Glimpse The Void wrote:You should make a new chapter surrounding a primarch long thought to be lost to us all.

Chuck Norris

boooooooo

Chuck Norris actually founded the Grey Knights. Embedded in every Nemesis force weapon is a molecule of his beard.

No, that's the ultramarines. They're just as fail and arrogant as he is.

Melissia, do you enjoy anything about this game, this hobby, at all? I have cannot recall off the top of my head ever seeing you make a positive statement in regards to the game, the hobby, or Games Workshop. Do you enjoy it whatsoever?

Monster Rain wrote:Saints preserve us. What kind of hipster toolbags are you playing with if they'd make fun of your choice of army? And if they did, why not just say "Yeah, Ultramarines. Recognize?" Wanting to play something other than Ultras is obviously fine, but the constant hating on them is wearying. /rant The answer to your question, obviously, is the Rainbow Warriors.

Me and my friends make fun of Ultramarines all the time. If one of us played Ultramarines we wouldn't stop. So we are apparently now Hipster Toolbags? Good to know "monster rain", I'll inform the crew.

ph34r wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:Saints preserve us. What kind of hipster toolbags are you playing with if they'd make fun of your choice of army? And if they did, why not just say "Yeah, Ultramarines. Recognize?" Wanting to play something other than Ultras is obviously fine, but the constant hating on them is wearying. /rant The answer to your question, obviously, is the Rainbow Warriors.

Me and my friends make fun of Ultramarines all the time. If one of us played Ultramarines we wouldn't stop. So we are apparently now Hipster Toolbags? Good to know "monster rain", I'll inform the crew.

Then you're just another band-wagon jumper,obviously. I'm sure deep-down you don't hate the ultramarines as much as you say you do. In fact,I'm fairly sure most people don't hate the ultramarines,they just want to look kewl around their anti-ultramarine friends.

Jimsolo wrote:Melissia, do you enjoy anything about this game, this hobby, at all? I have cannot recall off the top of my head ever seeing you make a positive statement in regards to the game, the hobby, or Games Workshop. Do you enjoy it whatsoever?

Wait, because I stated I despise Chuck Norris and Chuck Norris jokes, I must therefor hate the 40k hobby?

Melissia wrote:

Jimsolo wrote:Melissia, do you enjoy anything about this game, this hobby, at all? I have cannot recall off the top of my head ever seeing you make a positive statement in regards to the game, the hobby, or Games Workshop. Do you enjoy it whatsoever?

Wait, because I stated I despise Chuck Norris and Chuck Norris jokes, I must therefor hate the 40k hobby?

Guess I hate 40k too then....

Play Iron Hands. Fight the Power.

I got away with a divergent color scheme, because Clan-Company Avernii has a grand total of one piece of fluff on it. They somehow manged to get their hands on forgebreaker.

Playing a space marine chapter with black as their main color has some problems. First of all, I would say that black is not as easy to paint as people think it is. It is easy to paint a model black but to do it well takes a bit of skill. Secondly, the problem with space marines wearing black is that they are a dime a dozen. There are a ton of chapters that have black armor: Black Consuls, Iron Hands, Raven Guard, Black Templars, Scythes of the Emperor, Dragon Warriors etc. etc. So if you do decide to go with a black and something color scheme be prepared for everyone to think that you are playing Black Templars and/ or Raven Guard (as these are the two most commonly seen space marines in black). I would recommend you go for something a little more distinctive. Gray is a nice, easy color to work with for most people. Maybe the Relictors would be a good choice, assuming you like their fluff that is.

I am assuming here that you are new to the hobby. If you are not new, I apologize for telling you stuff that you probably already know.

Samus_aran115 wrote:

Melissia wrote:

Jimsolo wrote:Melissia, do you enjoy anything about this game, this hobby, at all? I have cannot recall off the top of my head ever seeing you make a positive statement in regards to the game, the hobby, or Games Workshop. Do you enjoy it whatsoever?

Wait, because I stated I despise Chuck Norris and Chuck Norris jokes, I must therefor hate the 40k hobby?

Guess I hate 40k too then....

Guess I love 40k then

Chuck Norries jokes FTW!

I say do your own chapter. A lot of the current chapters suffer from flawed/biased writing. Doing your own chapter and colour scheme also allows you to flex your artistic muscle.

Also: Chuck Norris jokes FTW

@Phear: since you asked... Yes. Yes it would seem that you are.


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andain841 wrote:Playing a space marine chapter with black as their main color has some problems. First of all, I would say that black is not as easy to paint as people think it is. It is easy to paint a model black but to do it well takes a bit of skill. Secondly, the problem with space marines wearing black is that they are a dime a dozen. There are a ton of chapters that have black armor: Black Consuls, Iron Hands, Raven Guard, Black Templars, Scythes of the Emperor, Dragon Warriors etc. etc. So if you do decide to go with a black and something color scheme be prepared for everyone to think that you are playing Black Templars and/ or Raven Guard (as these are the two most commonly seen space marines in black). I would recommend you go for something a little more distinctive. Gray is a nice, easy color to work with for most people. Maybe the Relictors would be a good choice, assuming you like their fluff that is.

I am assuming here that you are new to the hobby. If you are not new, I apologize for telling you stuff that you probably already know.

good points (i'm assuming this was adressed to me) i wasn't really thinking much beyond... "hmmm which "main" chapter do i never see..." Also no worries on telling me what i knew, i'm sure it helped someone.
As far as i'm concrened my greater point still stands, don't make your own chapter...

No it doesn't. You claim don't make your own chapter because it wouldn't be original... then tell them to use someone else's chapter, because you know stealing someone else's work is TOTALLY ORIGINAL!

BRILLIANT!

@Joetaco: Actually, I was trying to help out the OP. My fault for not being more specific. I am not sure where I stand on creating a chapter from scratch. I would say that I have seen some really, really nice examples of home brew chapters. However, I have seen more, in my opinion, bad examples than good ones. Of course, the same thing could be said for just about any space marine army no? I think that a good looking army is frequently more about the execution of the painting rather than the colors employed. I would agree that a beginner might have an easier time painting an established chapter if only because it gives them examples to work with.

You just need to pick something that works for you. If you like the colors, then Forget everything else. This is a game, and so you should do what you think is fun. As you paint your first few models, you'll work through the problems and something nice will evolve. As for me, I am starting wolves because they are like space marines, but cooler.

Brother SRM wrote:

MasterOftheScott wrote:So i got the codex a little while back and was daunted by picking a chapter for my space marine army so much that i actually just put the book down and left it for like half a year.The thing is i really really really dont want to do ultramarines and in the codex there is so much stuff on them thats its kinda annoying i mean yes i know they're the poster boys of GW and yes i know they're what people usually want to start with because their simple but really the amount of jibes i would get out of the people i game wtih would be horrendous.So im wondering if any of yous have good ideas for a chapter i could pick?all suggestions except from Ultramarines are welcome

Could you please capitalize your I's? Also, punctuation isn't a replacement for a space. Proper spelling and grammar are appreciated here.

As to what kind of Space Marines you want, what's your favorite color? There's pretty much a different chapter for every color of the rainbow (and even Rainbow Warriors, but the jokes write themselves there) and there's 3 variant codices worth using. Read up on the Lexicanum link that was posted in the first reply for this thread, and make your decision from there.

But there's FOUR varient codex's..... oh, wait, your right, three worth USING........

Make your own chapter. Usually, just pick your favorite chapter and go. I have Brown space marines, and people call them the "Turd marines". Just go wtih it, learn how to use what you have, and crush the competition. Just roll with it and have fun.

Actually there's seven space marine variant codices. Not four.

Blood Angels, Black Templars, Chaos Space Marines, Dark Angels, Grey Knights (from Daemonhunters) Space Marines, Space Wolves.

Samus_aran115 wrote:Then you're just another band-wagon jumper,obviously. I'm sure deep-down you don't hate the ultramarines as much as you say you do. In fact,I'm fairly sure most people don't hate the ultramarines,they just want to look kewl around their anti-ultramarine friends.

I'm amazed how much I don't know about myself. Thanks for opening my mind to the person I really am, Dakka!



Of course you see, it is impossible for someone to genuinely dislike the Ultramarines! They're that Ultra!

Nice strawman, Phear. Clearly that's exactly what everyone here is saying.

Glimpse The Void wrote:You just need to pick something that works for you. If you like the colors, then Forget everything else. This is a game, and so you should do what you think is fun. As you paint your first few models, you'll work through the problems and something nice will evolve. As for me, I am starting wolves because they are like space marines, but cooler.

This.

Personally, I thought long and hard before putting together my Space Marine chapter - I considered Black Templars, because I love the crusader pastiche and like to think of myself as something of a history buff - but their color scheme bores me. I considered Ultramarines, because I honestly love their color scheme and they've got some of the most fleshed-out fluff (obviously an effect of being GW poster boys) - but I wanted to do something that people wouldn't often see, and Ultramarines are fairly common. I considered Relictors, because the idea of playing a chapter on the brink of going Renegade is sort of thrilling, and like the Relictors I have a fascination with tainted artifacts in the 40k setting - but their color scheme bores me even more than BT. I considered White Scars because I like their hit-and-run tactics and color scheme - but after reading the rules I decided I hate bikes.

In the end, I came up with my own chapter whose fluff is inspired by Black Templars, and whose color scheme and some of their tactics are inspired by White Scars. I created the Storm Crusaders and I haven't regretted it since. I love the look, I love the fluff I've made for them, and I love their tactics.

The bottom line is, none of the GW chapters had exactly what I was looking for, so I combined my favorite elements of several chapters, added a little bit of original fluff, and created something that really works for me. That's what you gotta do. Find whatever draws you to it, be it your own DIY chapter or an existing GW chapter, and run with it, the opinions of other people be damned. I can't tell you how often I get "Oh, are those White Scars" because their primary color is white, and it bugs me, but I shrug it off and explain the Storm Crusaders and their fluff, and most people enjoy them.

On the other hand, if you're got a thinner skin and want to fit in with the hipsters, play Blood Angels. Everyone plays Blood Angels (and makes fun of Ultramarines), you know.

Monster Rain wrote:Nice strawman, Phear. Clearly that's exactly what everyone here is saying.

1. The name is ph34r, spell it correctly if you wish to attempt snide remarks at me.
2. It's what he said, that I was merely a bandwagon jumper, that he knew what I thought more than I did, that for some reason I am lying on the internet for no good reason.
I am allowed to dislike UM. Nobody on the internet can argue otherwise, because nobody can read my mind. Don't like it? I don't care. Can't understand sarcasm? I don't care.

E: In summary, I don't like Ultramarines. Really.

Blood Ravens FTW. Just sayin'.

I gained so much respect for the BR when... well, my avatar.

@FPh4rt: My apologies for mispelling your leetspeak babytalk name. No one said you weren't allowed to not like UM. The point is that the OTT hatred of them is goofy as hell.

My original Space Marines were a DIY chapter. For me, in the end, I regretted going that route.

It could have to do with the fact that I ended up selling all my Space Marine stuff and going Chaos and Nids. But that said, if you think that is EVER likely, you will probably get a better return on your investment for selling an army painted as any specific Chapter.

Just a thought...

Poster boys they may be, they are also filled with greco/roman symoblism, and if you are a history buff that might be the reason you play them- same as someone who's into the crusades and the middle ages might be more inclined to play Black Templars!

Agreed with the above- what kind of hipster douchebags are you playing with?

One of my friends HATES Ultramarines for some reason, however he also hates Tau...which I join him on. Anyway I have been reading some of the fluff and looking at their codex, and if some of their rules weren't in need of fixing I would definitely go with a black Templar army.

If money is not an issue, I would suggest starting with a pre-existing chapter to hone you painting skills, then build your own once you know what your doing. It brings a tear to my eye when I see some epic DIY chapter fluff , and then I cant look at the models and take them serously anymore. A DIY chapter should look like something to be proud of IMO.

I actually have most the models i need to field a decent sized army. I have more tactical marines than you can shake your fist at. a land raider, assault termi squad, regular termi squad, assualt marines. really all i need is some devastator squads and a few rhinos. I think what the issue boils down to is that I want to make my own chapter, but there are divergent marine chapter rules that I want to play by and I'm not sure how well that would blow over in a tournament.