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Is there a chance you could post some of the artwork with helmets like these? I must admit...I've never actually seen any.

Top notch work. The truer you stay to the source material the better. Unfortunately, some (minimal) of the art work in Collected Visions is crap.

I love the crest in #5. which ties back to the 1st metal UM commander GW produced. I'd love to see a MK IV helmet with that crest.

@CH- Have you guys thought of polling to determine which sculpts get released vs. which sculpts get cast at a later time? This might help conserve resources while opening up selling the heads as single sculpt sprues. I'm a slave to uniformity in my armies.

Pyriel,

I think you need to add the crest to the generic GW heads (I thought this was the plan), of course you will have to change the heads slightly so they are not copies of GW sculpts.

Just take a regular MK2-5 head, add some extra details and then add the crest, I dont think we will have a problem finding fans of that idea.

Also, dunno if you can do this since its very small. But add a eagle crest to the forehead of some of the heads, it will go a long way to making them fit in.

ok, guess humour isn't allowed in this thread.
Constructive.

1. The helmets look more akin to Tau than Space Marines, i.e. they look like they are high tech, and not the usual blocky STC form that was the Imperium's way even before the Horus Heresy.

2. The back of them, though showing cool piping, isn't like the overall head covering that older marks had to protect them. Older marks of SM helemts had thicker armouring, hence not being able to turn their heads.

3. The teardrop style eye guards don't seem like a good idea for vision purposes, it looks like the SM won't be able to fully take in his surroundings.


don't get me wrong, I love your works, most of my Crimson Fists contain elements of your shoulderpads and the like. I just can't imagine alot of people adding these to forces, and the small number of people who will buy them to build a new army, will probably not cover the cost of making them.

Pyriel- wrote:This also leaves anotehr issue, upcoming helmet themes like wolf, egyptian etc where people were suggesting skull looking helmets and jackal helmets like from stargate, all those I can and wanted to do but now I´m not so sure any more.
They are not supported in the PH art and we´ll just end up with a long line of people complaining about jackal helmets not looking SM.ish.
I really need to think things through and ditch a lot of current ideas for upcoming PH helmet ranges.
No more far fetched ideas, its going to be more close to the PH art.

If you start ditching ideas just because someone on the internet doesn't like it, you're not going to be producing very much.


If you're wanting to make stuff that isn't covered in the existing artwork, produce it and be upfront about the fact that you're making it because people asked for it rather than out of any 'historical' accuracy. People will like it, or they won't... but if you're calling them 'Jackal' helmets or whatever rather than 'Pre-Heresy' helmets, people will like them or not based on the sculpts, rather than on how well they match whatever artwork they have personally come across.

Man, some solid stuff there, and some stuff that still needs a bit more love.

The one thing that stands out as needing work are the eyes on the PH Ultra helmets. Right now they don't look much like lenses, but more like "this is what happens to soft putty when you scribe an outline". I'd suggest re-visiting that portion of the helmet, at least, to sharpen that detail up.

The spartan helmets look great thus far. I'd definitely pick some up for character conversions. I like that they're armored fully through, for exactly the reasons you listed in your post.

That first zealot helm though? Made of win. I love it. The crown (second) helm doesn't do it for me so much, as I'm sure it's supposed to hold a burning fire. To each his own. But that first helm with the distinct "wrought-iron" looking face guard is spectacular. 5 unique versions of that and I'd equip a squad or three. 10 and I'd build my entire army with them. Very unique styling, I really dig it. Do you have plans to bulk out a full set of them? I'd definitely bite, and that would push me off the fence on those delicious PH jump packs I've been waffling over lately.

Chapterhouse wrote:Be on the look out for a major model announcement coming up this week... its been long in progress.

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Pyriel still has some issues with communication. I share many of the comments and thoughts of the posters.

Call the jackal heads "Anubis", the falcon heads "Horus". The Pharaos forgot to get a copyright for their religion
Nice heads BTW.

warboss wrote:

Chapterhouse wrote:Be on the look out for a major model announcement coming up this week... its been long in progress.

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I think Sisters of Silence would be an even better release...


How close are the Scarab/Heresy TS pads to being available?

or both custodes and sisters of silence... great marketing especially with tempus fugitives campaign and all. hell an emperor's gift APC conversion kit or full kit would be awesome and most welcome

I think you need to add the crest to the generic GW heads (I thought this was the plan), of course you will have to change the heads slightly so they are not copies of GW sculpts.

Explain. What generic heads (some of the greens displayed?)

And what type of crests?

Just take a regular MK2-5 head, add some extra details and then add the crest, I dont think we will have a problem finding fans of that idea.

Gimme a pic so we both end up on the same page.

Also, dunno if you can do this since its very small. But add a eagle crest to the forehead of some of the heads, it will go a long way to making them fit in.

Hmm, what is an eagle crest?

ok, guess humour isn't allowed in this thread.
Constructive.

Must have completely missed it then.

1. The helmets look more akin to Tau than Space Marines, i.e. they look like they are high tech, and not the usual blocky STC form that was the Imperium's way even before the Horus Heresy.

Hmm, if I remove the "tear canals", would that make them look better?

3. The teardrop style eye guards don't seem like a good idea for vision purposes, it looks like the SM won't be able to fully take in his surroundings.

I´ll probably remake the eyes then.

Thanks for the pointers now that I finally get what you mean

The one thing that stands out as needing work are the eyes on the PH Ultra helmets. Right now they don't look much like lenses, but more like "this is what happens to soft putty when you scribe an outline". I'd suggest re-visiting that portion of the helmet, at least, to sharpen that detail up.

lol
Yeah, I´ll do that.

Very unique styling, I really dig it. Do you have plans to bulk out a full set of them? I'd definitely bite, and that would push me off the fence on those delicious PH jump packs I've been waffling over lately.

Surprised, I thought everybody were going to hate those.
What do you mean bulk out a full set?
Like cast a 5 row of them or make a few more in the same theme?

Pyriel still has some issues with communication. I share many of the comments and thoughts of the posters.

Where?

How close are the Scarab/Heresy TS pads to being available?

They are basically done, all parts are sculpted, just needs to be glued together and cut to fit.
But everything is on hold now since I am in bed with fever feeling like a ton of crap and to weak to sit up concentrating on sculpting:(

Thats what you get for walking 20 km in ice cold, rainy Czech mountains amongst the clouds dressed in shorts... (I´m an idiot)

Very cool Nick... very cool.

Surprised, I thought everybody were going to hate those.
What do you mean bulk out a full set?
Like cast a 5 row of them or make a few more in the same theme?

Heh, no hate from my end, that's for sure.
I meant more heads in that same theme, so one could order a few sets and do a couple tac squads with relative variety.

Hmm have checked the horus hersey book? Because you should be able to make the ultramarine helmets pretty easily then.

I, along with alot of other people, like the spartan helments as well.

Pyriel- wrote:



Hope you like them and as said, I can re-sculpt things if you demand it enough.

But in all honesty this head is absolutly brilliant (minus the plume though) I would rip the heads off all my marines and replace them with this head.

Nice work

I meant more heads in that same theme, so one could order a few sets and do a couple tac squads with relative variety.

Any ideas on new things that fit the theme?

I am not a Space Marine fan, so my comment probably doesn't count.
But I hate crests, please don't add them to every helmet.
And I like the distinguished non-SM style including the eyes, maybe because I like Tau and find the SM helmet boring.

Pyriel- wrote:

For a comparison, look at MaxMini's Steam Knight Helmets.
They look very accurate.

Not really, just a few do, the ones with no distinct concepts on them.
They are overly generic.
They mix dark angel, ultramarine, 1ksons and death guard styles in one big pile with helmets displaying several distinct features fitting in multiple legions on one helmet.

I want to do helmets that are as pure as possible.
Thus no rebreather cartridges or 1ksons ornaments on ultramarine iron man-ish helmets.
If it is a death guard helmet then there are death guard features only etc.
Show me PH art where an iron man helmet has rebreather cartridges for example and then tell me it is "accurate".

And again, if you want to change something then let me know what and I´ll see if I can do it. You have a chance of affecting the look of bitz that are to be casted.

The rebreather heads are the least accurate, as they should be slightly more rounded and have tubes attached.
But that's not the point.
The grill face head looks exactly correct for Iron Armor helmets.
The asymmetrical face looks almost (the small pipe detail is often not used on the UM helmets in art) exactly correct for ultramarine helmets.
The Thousand Sons style helmet has no major changes either, and the last one is a pretty standard World Eater or 1kSons helmet.

I fully encourage you to try to do even more distinct and accurate helmets though, I'd love that!
However, I can't see these helmets are being "pure" in any way, because they have major changes all over the place that make them not identifiable as any type of helmet that a space marine would wear.

Don't get me wrong, some of them are really cool, like the Spartan helmets or the Zealot helmets, but it's like whenever you have a detail unobscured that is fairly standard, you make a significant change. The double top ridge thing is the worst offender in my opinion, especially on that zealot helmet.

eagle crest? you mean like these? http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat1020020&prodId=prod1050236

That eagle faceplate would go a long way on salvaging some of the less likable helmets.

You could also do a wolf on one to save it as well.

I meant the Double head eagle icon. Just a small one (or basic shape) on the forehead of some of these pieces would help them out.

Pyr-

I do agree that the double line on the tops of the heads kills many of them.

Without bothering to repeat what others have said, I just want to shreik that I am a fan of much of the stuff in here.
Basically, the farther down it is in the first post, the more I like it.
Great stuff here. Once I finally start the Blood Angels I'm collecting, I suspect I'll be placing an order.

Eric

The spartan helms are awsome if you could put out just a few helm plumes as a set or add one or 2 when you make that mold it would be awsome. hard to replace a lot of the metal heads and extra plumes to add for the models that will not allow a full head swap would be killer.(Yes I know another company made head plumes but i like the ones on this page much better)

Great work, Pyriel. I join others in praising the brazier helms, and the second/third Spartan helms (the nose on the first is a bit too protruberant- it may be semi-historical but looks funny at that scale). Also, the other grecian helms further up are great, with the exception of the eyes on the first one (more on that below).

The techy look for the first few helms is great. Ignore the Ironman comments: this is the height of Imperial technology here, folks! The mouth/nose plates are really cool, and the rounded bits are great.

What is _not_ great about them, unfortunately, are the eyes. The eyes on the first and third ones are decent, but the second, fourth and fifth look unrealistic. Upon consideration, it seems like the more complicated eye shapes there just don't work. The dips in the middle are both odd and draw the eye in the wrong direction. The shapes are just off.

But those are small flaws in some otherwise great work. Just by way of suggestion from a fan: If you reworked the second and fourth one to have more orthodox eye-shapes and the fourth one with a raised slit-visor, they would all look great.

Can't wait to see these in resin!

[PS... pssst... true scale bodies? Heresy-era, even? Pretty please?]

Helmet 1&2 - Just do not look right. 1 looks too robotic, 2 has the eyes too widely spaced. It looks like something a kroot or predator might wear. They simply do not have the 40K aesthetic and you do so much great stuff, best not to pollute your brand with lesser stuff. I'd just write these off and further develop the more promising ones.

Helmet 3 - eyes are not great (don't like the shape. Mouth excellent. I'd reuse this part of the helmet for others. Earholes good.

Helmet 4 - Don't like the studs. Face good.

Helmet 5 - Crest good. I might like it better turned sideways - possible to cast the crest seperately? Mouth holes good.

Helmet 6 - sideways crest - this is what I'm saying. If you had all of Helmet 6 with the mouth from 3, would be awsome.

Helmet 7 - no changes. Great as is.

Helmet 8 - looks to much like a squid as is. However, if the arrows were differing lengths and pointing outward more, would make an excellent current chaos head.

Helmet 9 - Don't like the coal brazier, but the rest of the helmet is fantastic.

Spartan helmet - I'd remove the nose and change nothing else. The other 2 Spartan helmets are outstanding.

Agree that I'd love to see some eagle winged helmets. Also like the idea of tear-lines under the eyes, just not the current implementations. I'd continue pursing the concept on future helmets till it looked right.

As someone who's never read any of Black Library's Heresy novels, or seen much of the "canon" artwork for the period, I think these are just perfect as-is. Chapterhouse really shouldn't fall into the trap of simply catering to the whims of people wanting exact reproductions of Games Workshop art. Be artists, not xerox machines.

Best of the lot, those spartan helms.

Lets take it in small steps first.
Its your call guys so do vote...

I do agree that the double line on the tops of the heads kills many of them.

There is only one helmet with a double crest/air intake.

1: Should I change it for a single crest/air intake?

What is _not_ great about them, unfortunately, are the eyes. The eyes on the first and third ones are decent, but the second, fourth and fifth look unrealistic. Upon consideration, it seems like the more complicated eye shapes there just don't work. The dips in the middle are both odd and draw the eye in the wrong direction. The shapes are just off.

2: Should I change the eyes on the first handful of helmets to be simple PH art eye slits?

3: Should there be "tear canals" on some/all and if so just some simple things?

Spartan helmet - I'd remove the nose and change nothing else. The other 2 Spartan helmets are outstanding.

4: Should I remove the nose or remake the nose in the first spartan helmet?
If remake then what would you like?

But those are small flaws in some otherwise great work. Just by way of suggestion from a fan: If you reworked the second and fourth one to have more orthodox eye-shapes and the fourth one with a raised slit-visor, they would all look great.

What do you mean by raised vision slit? Pic?

My two cents...

1. I actually like the double intake, it's unique... as a some-time artist myself, I agree with Agamemnon2... but I understand you want to improve your sales by responding to comments as well.

2. I think the eyes are only unreasonably far apart on the second and third helmets, even then you just need to pull them together a bit. Medieval helms often had small eye slots in order to protect the eyes, if they're positioned relatively close to your eyes you'll have plenty of visibility, plus these would have been augmented and interfaced with the marine's ocular nerves, so I suspect the size and positioning would have been nearly meaningless. That being said, I think the look of those two helmets would improve if the eyes were brought together and enlarged a bit.

3. Mix it up... you're not making "standard munitions" helmets... this period is characterized by a high degree of variability. Run with it.

4. In the spartan helm (if it's the one I'm looking at), the nasal pays homage to the slot that would normally be there, but allows the "closed helm" look that is essential the 40k helmet function. Instead of putting it on the outside, you might build up the cheek pieces a little more prominently and then "close" the helm behind them (i.e. in-between and behind), either with a plate or some kind of grille affair. Actually a grille of some sort would be a nice contrast to clean cheek pieces.

I think the chaos helm with the downward pointing arrows is flat out the coolest thing I've seen in a long time.

How about a simple Crusade style barrel helm?

no's 1.2 and 4 look to much like mechanicus skitari helms, the rest however are awsome. I like the idea of Jackal helmets as I collect SW