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Honestly, I dislike all homebrew chapters. I've never had that urge to make my own chapter, it'll just turn out like crap. It's just not worth the time when you have no inspiration and you have to figure out everything.

"hmmmm...I don't really like any of these chapters at all....Maybe I'll make my own...They specialize in sieges and they're yellow, like construction workers....I'll call them the Imperial brofists...Yeah, that's cool."

Samus_aran115 wrote:
Honestly, I dislike all homebrew chapters. I've never had that urge to make my own chapter, it'll just turn out like crap. It's just not worth the time when you have no inspiration and you have to figure out everything.

"hmmmm...I don't really like any of these chapters at all....Maybe I'll make my own...They specialize in sieges and they're yellow, like construction workers....I'll call them the Imperial brofists...Yeah, that's cool."

...so let me get this straight. You have no creative talent, so you hate the fruits of the labors of people who do?

"I dislike all homebrew chapters" is not the same as "I dislike poorly thought-out homebrew chapters."

And not everyone who brews up their own chapter decides to call them the Imperial Brofists.

Maybe you should do some actual reading before deciding you hate a large portion of the playerbase with whom you interact for ridiculous reasons.

The only reason I did it is because I'd rather make my own paintjob than have one already in use. I like to be myself, not others.

brandon noble wrote:The only reason I did it is because I'd rather make my own paintjob than have one already in use. I like to be myself, not others.

Yet you blindly follow a false god like millions of outers.

Lol sorry I could not resist.

Oh Duke imma gonna get you now! Go back to your Guard!

SaintHazard wrote:

Samus_aran115 wrote:
Honestly, I dislike all homebrew chapters. I've never had that urge to make my own chapter, it'll just turn out like crap. It's just not worth the time when you have no inspiration and you have to figure out everything.

"hmmmm...I don't really like any of these chapters at all....Maybe I'll make my own...They specialize in sieges and they're yellow, like construction workers....I'll call them the Imperial brofists...Yeah, that's cool."

...so let me get this straight. You have no creative talent, so you hate the fruits of the labors of people who do?

"I dislike all homebrew chapters" is not the same as "I dislike poorly thought-out homebrew chapters."

And not everyone who brews up their own chapter decides to call them the Imperial Brofists.

Maybe you should do some actual reading before deciding you hate a large portion of the playerbase with whom you interact for ridiculous reasons.

What? I'm not saying I hate them. I'm saying I don't understand why people can't find an actual chapter they like among the numerous ones that GW writes actual fluff for.

If you couldn't tell, I was talking about the imperial fists.

And your going to insult me and say I have no talent just because I don't want to make my own chapter? Wow, yeah. That really makes sense. Just because I actually like a chapter that has organized fluff, I'm not creative at all? Yeah,sure.


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brandon noble wrote:The only reason I did it is because I'd rather make my own paintjob than have one already in use. I like to be myself, not others.

And I understand that. I'm not talking about yours. Don't sweat it

Samus_aran115 wrote:Honestly, I dislike all homebrew chapters.

Here you are saying you hate all homebrew chapters.

Samus_aran115 wrote:I've never had that urge to make my own chapter, it'll just turn out like crap. It's just not worth the time when you have no inspiration and you have to figure out everything.

Here you are saying you lack the 1) talent and 2) motivation to create your own chapter.

Samus_aran115 wrote:What? I'm not saying I hate them. I'm saying I don't understand why people can't find an actual chapter they like among the numerous ones that GW writes actual fluff for.

Here you are contradicting yourself.

Samus_aran115 wrote:If you couldn't tell, I was talking about the imperial fists.

Here you are doing it again. The Fists are not a homebrew chapter.

I'm not saying you don't have talent. You said that. I'm saying you're ragging on people who decided they do, in fact, have some talent. Jealousy doesn't become you.

Samus_aran115 wrote:And I understand that. I'm not talking about yours. Don't sweat it

Finally, here you are either 1) contradicting yourself again (note the first quote, where you say you dislike all homebrew chapters) or 2) lying through your teeth after realizing that you just insulted someone to their face, in their thread.

You may want to stop talking before more people besides me start thinking poorly of you.

Samus_aran115 wrote:
Honestly, I dislike all homebrew chapters.

i feel the same way, theres so many "actual" chapters in 40k that honestly most people should just pick one because unless their fluff is super out there (which probably means it doesn't make any sense in relation to the actual fluff so i won't like it for that reason.) their chapter is probably similar to one which already exists in name, paint scheme, basic lore and sometimes all 3...

Joetaco wrote:

Samus_aran115 wrote:
Honestly, I dislike all homebrew chapters.

i feel the same way, theres so many "actual" chapters in 40k that honestly most people should just pick one because unless their fluff is super out there (which probably means it doesn't make any sense in relation to the actual fluff so i won't like it for that reason.) their chapter is probably similar to one which already exists in name, paint scheme, basic lore and sometimes all 3...

Except when it isn't. At all.

Maybe try actually reading some homebrew chapter fluff?

Samus_aran115 wrote:
Honestly, I dislike all homebrew chapters.

i feel the same way, theres so many "actual" chapters in 40k that honestly most people should just pick one because unless their fluff is super out there (which probably means it doesn't make any sense in relation to the actual fluff so i won't like it for that reason.) their chapter is probably similar to one which already exists in name, paint scheme, basic lore and sometimes all 3...

Yeah, exactly. I can appreciate successor chapters, but these random chapters that just pop out of nowhere are silly. You should develop it's origins before you do anything else.

You obviously don't get my joke sainthazard, so it's not worth my time to even respond to your post.

SaintHazard wrote:

Joetaco wrote:

Samus_aran115 wrote:
Honestly, I dislike all homebrew chapters.

i feel the same way, theres so many "actual" chapters in 40k that honestly most people should just pick one because unless their fluff is super out there (which probably means it doesn't make any sense in relation to the actual fluff so i won't like it for that reason.) their chapter is probably similar to one which already exists in name, paint scheme, basic lore and sometimes all 3...

Except when it isn't. At all.

Maybe try actually reading some homebrew chapter fluff?

alright i read the fluff and i have some immediate comments
1. all marines are chosen based on being strong, smart and tough so your chapter doing that more so is very hurr durr
2. space marine training is usually alot more than arena then kill some feral orks...
3. space marines using ork weapons??? thats a huge fluff mistake, ork weapons are a) something a space marine would probably never use b) not work in the hands of a space marine because of the lack of the latient psychic energy powering the weapon

You've stopped talking out your ass, that's good. You've begun the long uphill struggle towards people taking you seriously.

As for "chapters coming out of nowhere," that's specifically why GW has two missing Primarchs.

One for people who want to create their own chapter that isn't a successor to any of the established legions, and one for people who want to create their own CSM legions the same way.

There's absolutely no logical reason for a chapter "coming out of nowhere" because it's too easy to come up with a Blood Ravens-style origin story tying into a missing Primarch. It works, and it's often done well.

Some people just have no appreciation for creativity.

Which is, arguably, what this hobby is all about.

Joetaco wrote:clipped

So tell the writer, not me.

I'm not referencing a specific example, simply stating that good homebrew fluff does exist, and in abundance.

SaintHazard wrote:
Some people just have no appreciation for creativity.

theres a huge difference between an appreciation for creativity and contradicting the fluff of the game. I look at this chapter and i chalk it up as another fluff chapter which a poster put themselves in and did think out as compared to the fluff. Honestly if the makers of the game wanted us all to make up chapters, they would have alot chapters in game and take away limiting factors such as no space wolf descendants or no female space marines. i've never once seen a nice well thought home brew chapter so i see it as i've never seen a chocolate whale and i'm not holding my breath to see if their real. more over if your going to get really touchy and insult other posters maybe you should step back and write your post when your less angry because personal attacks on another poster does not make your point seem more valid.

I'm not referencing a specific example, simply stating that good homebrew fluff does exist, and in abundance.

Which I agree with. Sons or Orar has a wonderful homebrew chapter,but that's about the only one I've ever liked.

Homebrew chapters on the field are fine. I don't mind them, and sometimes homebrew colors can look really good. I just don't want to hear about the fluff. It's unnecessary. It's probably easier to make a homebrew chapter without fluff, really.


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Joetaco wrote:

SaintHazard wrote:
Some people just have no appreciation for creativity.

theres a huge difference between an appreciation for creativity and contradicting the fluff of the game. I look at this chapter and i chalk it up as another fluff chapter which a poster put themselves in and did think out as compared to the fluff. Honestly if the makers of the game wanted us all to make up chapters, they would have alot chapters in game and take away limiting factors such as no space wolf descendants or no female space marines. i've never once seen a nice well thought home brew chapter so i see it as i've never seen a chocolate whale and i'm not holding my breath to see if their real. more over if your going to get really touchy and insult other posters maybe you should step back and write your post when your less angry because personal attacks on another poster does not make your point seem more valid.

I like you a lot This about describes exactly what my initial post was trying to say.

Nope.

Without fluff, 40k is nothing to me. It becomes no more interesting than chess. A good strategy game, but with no substance behind it.

You'll notice I'm not driving across town every other day to play chess.

And GW has given its customers specific tools with which they may craft their own fluff. Remember how I just mentioned those two lost Primarchs? GW has outright stated that that's their purpose.

If GW didn't want us to be creative, minis would be pre-assembled and pre-painted, and 40k probably would have died out a couple of decades ago.

And if you haven't found good homebrew fluff, it means you're not looking hard enough. It's all over Dakka, all over the internet, and probably right in your hometown. You just have to be willing to actually look for it, which Samus clearly is not.

So you enjoy your empty strategy game, where everything is made for you and you don't have to expend any creative energy.

I play a different 40k, and not by accident.

Which is why you play an actual chapter? So you can have developed fluff to make your games more fun?

It's much more fun to know that your chapter is ACTUALLY known by the other Chapters and plays a part in ACTUAL Fluff.

GW has never said that's what those two primarchs are for. They've never said anything about them really. It's thought that they might play some sort of part in the heresy.

Also, even if you used those two random primarchs, it would make no sense to have them come back. Nor would any of the fluff you made make sense, since they haven't even been recorded for at least 10 thousand years and any accomplishments they have would have to be stupidly irrelevant to the current fluff.

SaintHazard wrote:Nope.

Without fluff, 40k is nothing to me. It becomes no more interesting than chess. A good strategy game, but with no substance behind it.

You'll notice I'm not driving across town every other day to play chess.

And GW has given its customers specific tools with which they may craft their own fluff. Remember how I just mentioned those two lost Primarchs? GW has outright stated that that's their purpose.

If GW didn't want us to be creative, minis would be pre-assembled and pre-painted, and 40k probably would have died out a couple of decades ago.

And if you haven't found good homebrew fluff, it means you're not looking hard enough. It's all over Dakka, all over the internet, and probably right in your hometown. You just have to be willing to actually look for it, which Samus clearly is not.

So you enjoy your empty strategy game, where everything is made for you and you don't have to expend any creative energy.

I play a different 40k, and not by accident.

40k is a game of fluff and that i can agree with that, but w/ all the fluff GW has given it seems unappreciative to make up something especially if the fluff is poorly thought out and a blatent contradiction of the established fluff. I love the fluff of 40k, i went thorough every space marine chapter and chose one i liked because i felt that if i'm not something from 40k why am i playing 40k? Lastly your attacks on Samus, I and the people you would consider "uncreative" "empty" people, certainly need to stop. your arguement loses alot of its meaning when your insulting people and it certainly makes you look like an unrational person (excuse the term). We're giving out opinons on someones chapter and the overall idea of homebrew chapters, if this person didn't want criticism they wouldn't have posted it on dakka so you can quit your insulting and rudeness because we, like you, have our own opinon on the subject and you should at the very least be able to respect our opinon enough to not insult us for having these beliefs...

Directly from the Wikipedia page on Space Marines:

"However, Games Workshop has explained that there is a game play purpose for these "deleted" Legions: they are available to individual players those who wish to develop their own custom Legions. The basic idea is that since there were 20 Legions, and half went to Chaos but half stayed loyal, these two lost Legions would one of each, traitor and loyalist, for "do-it-yourself" forces."

This is also stated on the 40k Wikia, as well as several other sources.

Dan Abnett allegedly stated this in an interview as well, but I can't find it right now. Found a video that might be it, but I don't have speakers at work.

Want me to keep citing sources, or are you satisfied that I know what I'm talking about?


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Joetaco wrote:clipped

I'm not insulting anyone. The first person to actually throw an insult was Samus, and it was aimed at the OP. I'm sticking up for the OP and calling Samus out on his/her crap. If someone starts trying to make definitive statements and obviously doesn't know what he or she is talking about, I WILL call them out on it. With cited sources.

Dan Abnett isn't GW as far as I'm concerned. I wouldn't expect too much of what he says to he the actual intent of GW. I'm sure the missing primarchs are a way to advance the story of the heresy or something.

It would still make no sense to involve them in anything that has to do with the 41st millenium. They are "lost" which implies they aren't coming back.

Wow, you're really not paying attention, are you? Dan Abnett said it as well, as in, in addition to GW.

You know what? I'm done with this conversation. If you're going to slander everyone who doesn't agree with you and not bother to pay attention to a word I say, what's the point?

Hey guys, if you're gonna argue on my thread, please, go somewhere else. Im in it for fun and games, not you pompous-ass remarks. I thank you Hazard for atleast giving constructive critisism, the rest of ya'll, quit hobbying and fluffing and just PLAY. It's twice as fun and for you a healthier option socially.

Fair enough.

If anyone has any further comments, PM me. He's right; this isn't the place for it.

brandon noble wrote:Hey guys, if you're gonna argue on my thread, please, go somewhere else. Im in it for fun and games, not you pompous-ass remarks. I thank you Hazard for atleast giving constructive critisism, the rest of ya'll, quit hobbying and fluffing and just PLAY. It's twice as fun and for you a healthier option socially.

so everyone's post except for brandon's were inconstructive, huh? please refer to my second post (also posted below for your convience)

Joetaco wrote: alright i read the fluff and i have some immediate comments
1. all marines are chosen based on being strong, smart and tough so your chapter doing that more so is very hurr durr
2. space marine training is usually alot more than arena then kill some feral orks...
3. space marines using ork weapons??? thats a huge fluff mistake, ork weapons are a) something a space marine would probably never use b) not work in the hands of a space marine because of the lack of the latient psychic energy powering the weapon

as for only posting "pompus" remarks....
if you don't want someone commenting on the validity of your fluff in the universe and would rather only have people post "i love it comments", please post that so i can edit all my posts in your thread to just say "i love your chapter"
otherwise i'd refamiliarize myself the "healthier social option" of not calling people "pompus ass"

Please, as I stated before, stop the arguing, go meet some people.

Oh please just say the word that all you want is postive feedback and i'll take down all my negative criticism. the way i see it, you think everyone who doesn't share your views is socially inept. Now as i've said before, i'm not arguing; i'm commenting on your chapter and explaining why it doesn't make sense in the warhammer universe, you can either accept the criticism and make appropriate changes to not only improve your chapter, but to make it more acceptable to people who care about the fluff of the game or you can continue to assume i'm picking an internet fight and that your chapter is perfect

The "New" guys...
Now have an actual captain and an epistlory for my company. The auspexish part on the librarians 'pack is a psy-counter. (instead of geiger counter, its for detecting psykers other than the epistolary).


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Messy.

The librarain didn't turn out...as planned. i dont have the right shade of blue in my paints.

I got a tip for you. Smaller brushes.

And twitch meds.