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Yeah, and my apartment only came with one parking space. I need that for my car, so no where to put the 360.

You must have a car like The Jetsons that folds up into a briefcase then.

Have you got medical insurance Kan?

I ask because I want to make sure you're covered before I book you in for a humour-transplant. Your sense of humour clear died years ago and you need a new one. Are you on the donor waiting list yet?

I've got a fantastic sense of humor.

See "The Jetsons" had a car that was the size of a briefcase.

And it flew.

Plus, you're old!

Fiend wrote:I'm glad too. I haven't bought a console since PS2 and I don't intend to buy one again. Although, I'm going to have to upgrade my PC anyways since its pushing 4 years old.

I haven't bought a console since the Atari 5200 so I'm definitely happy.

His Master's Voice wrote:

Cheese Elemental wrote:whenever I play an FPS on the PC it feels awkward not being able to do everything with two fingers and my thumbs (bar button-mashing).

You're not saying shooters are better with a pad, are you?

To me, yes, the controls are better.

That's just me though. It's just because I'm so used to a 360 controller.

You're the first I've heard that from Cheese.

Mouse uber alles.

H.B.M.C. wrote:You're the first I've heard that from Cheese.

Mouse uber alles.

Have to agree here - NOTHING beats a keyboard and mouse for a FPS.

And Kan, if you're cracking Jetsons jokes, you do NOT get to call someone old!

H.B.M.C. wrote:You're the first I've heard that from Cheese.

Mouse uber alles.

'sup mouse using bro?

I like consoles just fine, but I prefer PC for games whenever I can. 10 bucks cheaper, the options for mods, and mouse+WASD is real comfy for me. I do have an Xbox 360 on my desk right next to my computer though - although I do prefer the PC there are console exclusives and some games that just play better on a console.

Alpharius wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:You're the first I've heard that from Cheese.

Mouse uber alles.

Have to agree here - NOTHING beats a keyboard and mouse for a FPS.

And Kan, if you're cracking Jetsons jokes, you do NOT get to call someone old!

Sure I do, I've only seen Jetsons as a rerun!

And it realllllllly depends on the FPS. "Pure" FPSes such as Quake, Doom, etc work better with a keyboard and the mouse with buttloads of weapon choices to scroll through.

Games like Halo or Gears or even the new Rainbow Six games work better on a console, simply due to not having to deal with the clutter of unused keyboards to screw with.

Kanluwen wrote:

Alpharius wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:You're the first I've heard that from Cheese.

Mouse uber alles.

Have to agree here - NOTHING beats a keyboard and mouse for a FPS.

And Kan, if you're cracking Jetsons jokes, you do NOT get to call someone old!

Sure I do, I've only seen Jetsons as a rerun!

And it realllllllly depends on the FPS. "Pure" FPSes such as Quake, Doom, etc work better with a keyboard and the mouse with buttloads of weapon choices to scroll through.

Games like Halo or Gears or even the new Rainbow Six games work better on a console, simply due to not having to deal with the clutter of unused keyboards to screw with.

True that

Brother SRM wrote:I like consoles just fine, but I prefer PC for games whenever I can. 10 bucks cheaper, the options for mods, and mouse+WASD is real comfy for me. I do have an Xbox 360 on my desk right next to my computer though - although I do prefer the PC there are console exclusives and some games that just play better on a console.

Exactly. I have a PS2, and I wouldn't dream of playing God of War or Tekken on anything but the PS2, but for FPS's and RTS's? Mouse/Keyboard all the way. Controlling FPS's on consoles is just a pain.

Kanluwen wrote:Games like Halo or Gears or even the new Rainbow Six games work better on a console, simply due to not having to deal with the clutter of unused keyboards to screw with.

You're kidding, right? Keyboard 'clutter'?

How many buttons do you need for Halo, really? Probably no more or less than Half-Life 2, and that isn't a harder to play on keyboard because of the unused keys.

The difference lays in the sensitivity for some aspects of games.

I'll use Medal of Honor: Airborne as an example here.
On the PC, it requires very fine manipulation of the mouse to use the corner/cover system. If your mousepad is weirdly surfaced--you're screwed because it'll slide you right out of cover while shifting, not to mention needing to hold down both Shift and the Mouse 3 button, while moving said mouse to shift directions.

On 360? Left trigger and right stick. That's it.

Kan, I hope you're aware that the Rainbow Six games were severly dumbed down for consoles.

And for the record, for all your complaints about the innaccuracy of M&K, how the hell do you get by with analog aiming? Oh wait, console FPS uses autoaim.

Fafnir wrote:Kan, I hope you're aware that the Rainbow Six games were severely dumbed down for consoles.

And for the record, for all your complaints about the inaccuracy of M&K, how the hell do you get by with analog aiming? Oh wait, console FPS uses autoaim.

I'm going to assume you don't read everything posted and just jump in wherever you feel like.

The "new" Rainbow Six games(and to an extent the new Ghost Recon games) were intended for consoles first and PC second. Not everyone enjoyed the old days wherein you spent twice as long actually planning out the operation, and it basically ran on autopilot once you gave the go-code--so they tried the 'new' way, and guess what?

It was a resounding success. Compare the sales figures of the current ones to the old, and you'll see a huge difference.

However, of course that earns the animosity of the "PC purists" who feel that somehow the mouse & keyboard makes them more skillful or some such crap.

I always love the "console FPS uses autoaim" argument by the way, seeing as autoaim is a feature that can be turned on or off in both console and PC versions of most games.

I remember the first time I played a FPS with mouse support (after being raised on Doom 1 and 2/Wolfenstein etc) I initially started using the keyboard commands to look up and down to aim, until I finally figured out I could use the mouse.

I find fumbling around with Console controllers much the same, though Autoaim means I only have to be pointing in the general direction of the enemy of course

Personally my platform of choice is the PC, though I own a ps3, and have a Xbox 360 controller for my PC for games that I felel work better with controllers (Assassins Creed and Just Cause 2 come to mind)

Kanluwen wrote:
I always love the "console FPS uses autoaim" argument by the way, seeing as autoaim is a feature that can be turned on or off in both console and PC versions of most games.

In pretty much every successful console FPS, even if you turn aim assist off, you're not actually turning it off, you're just lessening its impact. It's because of the simple fact that you don't have nearly as much control or steadiness with your thumb as you have with your whole arm, and mouse control is capable of much faster movement. There's a reason why consoles will never have an FPS as fast as something like Quake.

And here's a hint: Just because Crysis 2 will sell more than the original, because of a wider audience, does not mean it will be a better game. Higher sales does not always equal higher quality, especially in the console market, where the shooters that sell the most tend to be the ones that are the most homogenized.

And this, ladies and gentlemen, is why the PC vs Console debate is pointless. The amount of disinformation from the PC crowd is as bad as politics.

Which is funny, when you consider that I play on my PS3 and my Wii just as much, if not more than my PC. It's also funny, when you consider that my collection of console titles more than quadruples my collection of PC titles. It's also funny that, were I to arrange my favourite games into a top ten list, every single one of them would be a console game.

And it's not even an argument about which is 'better' - I don't see any as being superior to any other. It's just that certain games are a better fit on certain platforms.

Fighting games, for instance, don't work all that well on PC's. I own Mortal Kombat 4 on PC and it's quite difficult to play compared to, say, Tekken 5, which has a million more combos and moves, because console controllers are naturally better for fighting games.

But could you imagine trying to play Starcraft on an XBox? No.

Which is, again, why you don't see Starcraft on Xbox. The only RTSes that are on consoles are games that are adapted for it.

Take Tom Clancy's EndWar, for example. The keybindings are replaced with voice commands. It's a fun system to play with, but is it on par with say Command And Conquer: Tiberian Sun?

Of course not.

Actually, I got Guilty Gear XX#R (no Order Sol makes me a sad Dakkite) playing just fine on my PC. Just use my PS3 controller. Works great.

I would have used my 360 controller... but y'know... the D-pad.

Aim assist is NOT a good thing. It's a pain in the arse when you're trying to target tightly-packed enemies, and often slows down your tracking.

It really varies from game to game, a lot of the good games give you a slight aim assist, others auto-lock on to targets you really don't want to bother with.

Anyway, enough off-topic.

I do hope that Relic releases a demo when the time is almost upon us, that way we can all see for ourselves where it plays best. Not that it matters, I might get it for PC and 360 anyway.

BrookM wrote:It really varies from game to game, a lot of the good games give you a slight aim assist, others auto-lock on to targets you really don't want to bother with.

Anyway, enough off-topic.

I do hope that Relic releases a demo when the time is almost upon us, that way we can all see for ourselves where it plays best. Not that it matters, I might get it for PC and 360 anyway.

Heh - yeah!

I cannot wait for this game - even if it is bad, I'm still getting it.

Unless it is super-mega awful bad.

And even then...

Alpharius wrote:
I cannot wait for this game - even if it is bad, I'm still getting it.

Unless it is super-mega awful bad.

And even then...

Yeah, I know how it is. Even if its bad I'll still play through it. Just to get the story and some new background. Are we addicts?

I have Fire Warrior for the PC, that should say enough about how deep I go for the hobby.

Fiend wrote:

Alpharius wrote:
I cannot wait for this game - even if it is bad, I'm still getting it.

Unless it is super-mega awful bad.

And even then...

Yeah, I know how it is. Even if its bad I'll still play through it. Just to get the story and some new background. Are we addicts?

Yes, I believe we are - but GET INTO IT!

Thank you all so much for giving me another voice telling me to buy a computer with more than four megs of ram(my current comps limit). Now to figure out how to come up with enough money to buy it.

Im off to the organ donation clinic, cause which is more important Warhammer or internal organs.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Yeah, and my apartment only came with one parking space. I need that for my car, so no where to put the 360.

Yo Dawg!! i heard you like 40k and, like, have a small pad down under so i'z solve yo problem!