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Soladrin wrote:

MasterDRD wrote:Why oh why does everyone on the internet hate MW2 so much? I swear, it's like you people latch on to whatever game is really popular and want to be contrary with how much you 'really hate it, it sucks, etc.' I think MW2 is a great game. In a shocking twist, I also liked all 3 Halo games. *prepares flame-shield*

So you didn't like ODST and Halo wars eh? XD ( I did, ODST is much better then Halo 3 IMO)

Yeah ok, ODST was awesome too. Halo Wars was gak; the only console RTS I've ever liked was Brütal Legend, because it didn't try to be the same as a PC game, instead going for a hybrid action-strategy style which I think worked out pretty well. No it's not the greatest RTS of all time, but I thought it was a lot of fun and it was one of the best action games I've ever played when it wanted to be. That spider queen fight had me thinking "Oh f***, it's Metal Gohma!"

Oh and back on topic, if you hate MW2 on PC so much get the console version. Lag is almost NEVER a problem if you have a good connection on your end (like every other online game) and there are virtually no hackers. At least, I've never encountered any in all the hours I've put in my 360 version of it. If you're whining about overpowered weapons then in my honest opinion you should just man up and use your brain. Try out some tactics. Maybe you need more practice with your own gun. Yeah, some guns are better than others. So go earn the better ones then, you girly-men!

DRD: we must be playing a different game then.

Lag isnt only dependant on your connection.
My connection is running at a constant 15-20, so i shouldnt have problems at my end.
You do however have problem when someone with a poor connection joins in, resulting in lagged timing on thier part (and usually jittery movement)

Hackers are in pretty much every game of MW2 on the 360.
Usually its just modded names / 10th / gamerscore, but you do get the odd wallhack or aimbot now and then (not as bad as the PS3 for it)


I do however agree with you on tactics.
You dont need a strong gun to kill someone, you just need to think about it 1st.

I use a MP5 with a silencer most of the time, so its not strong, it has short range, and it takes a well aimed half clip to kill someone (no stopping power either), but thats easy enough when you sneak up on someone.

۞ Jack ۞ wrote:DRD: we must be playing a different game then.

Lag isnt only dependant on your connection.
My connection is running at a constant 15-20, so i shouldnt have problems at my end.
You do however have problem when someone with a poor connection joins in, resulting in lagged timing on thier part (and usually jittery movement)

Hackers are in pretty much every game of MW2 on the 360.
Usually its just modded names / 10th / gamerscore, but you do get the odd wallhack or aimbot now and then (not as bad as the PS3 for it)


I do however agree with you on tactics.
You dont need a strong gun to kill someone, you just need to think about it 1st.

I use a MP5 with a silencer most of the time, so its not strong, it has short range, and it takes a well aimed half clip to kill someone (no stopping power either), but thats easy enough when you sneak up on someone.

Well I can't say you're wrong, but I can tell you that once I finally got a good internet connection I've never seen lag on my part or on anyone on my screen. I used to have frequent lag with the gakky free wifi, but now I'm using Qwest and there are no problems at all. I'm fairly certain that I've never seen any hackers either; I always, ALWAYS watch the killcam and I've never seen any wallhacking, and I'm fairly certain I haven't been killed by an aimbot either. As far as those other hacks go, I guess as long as it doesn't affect the game itself I have no real objection.

MW2 can be amazing at times, unrealistic yes, but amazing.

I like keeping last stand on and trying to killas many people as possible. I think the highest I got was 4 kills in last stand before I expired.

I especially enjoy shooting people all the way across the map with a silenced M9 and killing them after they sniped me. Especially in highrise, I'll be in one office building and them either on top or in the other office building and I go down, pop, pop and they go down.

I don't really like MW2. I play it because my friends like it. But in all honesty, don't really like is the wrong word. I DESPISE MW2. The fanboys talk about how hardcore and realistic it is, but when a Submachine gun has more range, and damage per bullet than an LMG, somethings wrong. When a sniper can easily kill you at close range by "quickscoping" something is wrong. When a guy can throw a random knife halfway across the map and kill you, something is wrong. If it just stopped taking itself seriously, and admitted that the game has not even the slightest pretense of realism, I might have liked it a little bit more. But even then, the community of these types of game annoy me more. If you've ever played these types of games, you know what I mean. The squeaking children who scream into the mic when they die, the racist/homophobic/sexist/all around bigots that you hear throwing slurs with every breath, and the "So Pro Major League Gamers" who think that they are Gods Gift to Game, and never shut up about how good they are, and if you trounce them they never shut up about how you "cheated" or used "cheap tactics". Also, the matchmaking system sucks. If I search for a game, you don't place me in a match that is 2 seconds from being done. This happens multiple times, and it ticks me off.

/rant off

I agree will all said above ^

It's a game for those who like either high-speed games or first person shooters. Most strategy game players, especially WH40k/DOW dont like those types of games. Halo, was a medium-speed game, so although it'll always be a classic for me, it didnt stick to people once high-speeds who copied Halo came out. Yes, I do belive Halo is the father of all FPS. Because it was better than any other predeccessors.

brandon noble wrote:It's a game for those who like either high-speed games or first person shooters. Most strategy game players, especially WH40k/DOW dont like those types of games. Halo, was a medium-speed game, so although it'll always be a classic for me, it didnt stick to people once high-speeds who copied Halo came out. Yes, I do belive Halo is the father of all FPS. Because it was better than any other predeccessors.

Wolfenstein 3d and not another word out of you.

What? Halo was better?

Except for the fact that 007 Goldeneye was voted to beat Halo due to different characters in multiplayer.

What about Doom?

Also I would say that TF2 or Unreal Tournament are the fast paced ones. Especially unreal tournamet. Plus I will say that Counterstrike beats Halo as do the old Battlefields.

Halo being a classic...pshhh.

Most of those are pure pc games though. Where as halo just got a crap port to pc like a year or 2 later(cant remember).

Halo and games like UT are a completely different experience IMO, same for battlefield, tf2 and counterstrike, they all have different points of focus.

UT is high speed combat regardless of gametype, reflexes reign supreme.
Battlefield is strategic teamplay if played properly (not pubs)
TF2 is teamish randomness (in my experience)
Counterstrike is all about personal skill.

Where as Halo has no real focus, medium(to slow) speed, Vehicles, a little Strategic play in certain game types (mostly CTF/Assault variants).

It's kind of the jack of all traits.

Oh, and who cares about characters? :/

I do actually. I want to be different from everyone else and I want to know who I kill before I kill them. Names popping up or slight differences in color don't do that for me.

Also, it was hard as hell to shoot Oddjob, especially when he crouched. While Jaws could be seen from three countries over.

So.. you'd rather have unbalanced characters??

Odd job was smalland Jaws was big, they balanced each other out perfectly.

also if oddjob wasnt crouched or jumping you almost always headshot him with a normal sized character.

So it was balanced.

I don't do MW2 much, I did the campagin a while back and I have to say it is good. But, after BFBC2 came out, I decided "why not, lets give MW2 multiplayer a try". That was a bad idea. I physicly cannot play that game, it is impossible after playing Bad Company. I also had a friend who player MW2 for quite some time, decided to try out BFBC beause I was talking about it. Several games of BC later, guess what, he said he couldn't do MW2 multi-player as well. It is far too fast paced IMO. Call me a noob but I'll stick with BC.

I'm not sure how you guys are finding so many hackers, I've experienced one or two cases of hacking in my history of playing the game and i have 15 thousand kill online.


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halonachos wrote:What? Halo was better?

Except for the fact that 007 Goldeneye was voted to beat Halo due to different characters in multiplayer.

What about Doom?

Also I would say that TF2 or Unreal Tournament are the fast paced ones. Especially unreal tournamet. Plus I will say that Counterstrike beats Halo as do the old Battlefields.

Halo being a classic...pshhh.

How the hell are goldeneye and halo even in the same contest? They're years and heaps of functionality apart. Counterstrike beats nothing by the by. Its popular but its one of the most unbalanced and poorly designed competitive FPS games in history. If you can hate halo but like CS I question your credentials as an impartial game critic.

Wizard, not a noob, but i see your point there.
I play MW2, BFBC2 and Halo3.
Now, after playing the 2nd 2, i have to break myself back into MW2, even if it was only a day or 2 away from it.

In MW2 reactions and skill are everything, and after playing a slower paced game (or much slower in the case of halo3) you need to get used to it.

I play all games on max sensitivity, simply because i rely on the quick movement with reactions, in halo, thats all well and good, but you still only crawl along.


At the end of the day though, im addicted to MW2, 10th prestige on 1 account and just going 9th on my 2nd.




Edit, missed shumas post:

I'm not sure how you guys are finding so many hackers, I've experienced one or two cases of hacking in my history of playing the game and i have 15 thousand kill online.

Play on the 360, and play search and destroy only.
Im nearing around 160k or so kills now.

Do you play on the PC or XBox shuma

ShivanAngel wrote:Do you play on the PC or XBox shuma

Xbox, which I suspect is why.

Anyway, im off to feed my addiction again

If anyones up for a game or 20 on the 360 my tags "M1014 massacre"
(if you are up for a few games, drop me a message 1st so i know who you are, dont want to ignore anyone thinking they are a random)


And happy hunting

ShumaGorath wrote:

ShivanAngel wrote:Do you play on the PC or XBox shuma

Xbox, which I suspect is why.

Yeah its not nearly as much of a problem.

On the PC you will have someone come around the corner spraying bullets. When you ask how they new you were there they are like UAV NOOOBBBB... Problem is i had cold blood...

Or they flat out dont even try to hide it and use aimbot with wallhack and a LMG with FMJ.

sebster wrote:It’s an alright game.

The single player is let down by an incredibly poor story. The first MW game trod the fine line between realism and silliness, ultimately it told the story so well you don’t mind that it was a little goofy. The second game is simply completely ridiculous, and almost entirely incoherent. If the first game was Tom Clancy at his best, the second is Michael Bay at his worst. The individual missions and set pieces also wear a little thin despite the short running time - but the gun play is fun enough for the most part.

I agree completely. Surprise! Russians invade America! was about the stupidest story element I've seen in a game. Hacked satellites are a poor explanation for that horse story. And it only got worse with the big reveal that the big bad was a US general who was getting his own troops killed so he could be famous.


P.S. I could have used a spoiler tag but my contempt for this game is so strong that I would rather make it plain so as to save somebody the money renting it for the campaign. I wasn't especially impressed with the multiplayer either. It was OK.

Soladrin wrote:UT is high speed combat regardless of gametype, reflexes reign supreme.
Battlefield is strategic teamplay if played properly (not pubs)
TF2 is teamish randomness (in my experience)
Counterstrike is all about personal skill.

Where as Halo has no real focus, medium(to slow) speed, Vehicles, a little Strategic play in certain game types (mostly CTF/Assault variants).

It's kind of the jack of all traits.

This.

halonachos wrote:Except for the fact that 007 Goldeneye was voted to beat Halo due to different characters in multiplayer.

What about Doom?

Also I would say that TF2 or Unreal Tournament are the fast paced ones. Especially unreal tournamet. Plus I will say that Counterstrike beats Halo as do the old Battlefields.

Halo being a classic...pshhh.

The history of the FPS is one of the most interesting in Video Games. Wolfenstein introduced the concept and was a good game in it's own right. Doom evolved the genre with Multiplayer. Goldeneye added a bunch of features that became staples of the genre, like zoomable sniper rifles and area specific hit boxes. Halo was the game that pulled all of them together into a complete whole (with success, other games had tried and failed), and added many new innovations that are still seen in FPS games.

Also: Wolfenstien isn't the father of all FPS. Halo is. Wolfenstien is the bad a** granddad who beats you down when you step on his lawn with his shotgun and then subjects you to his many war stories

Its popular but its one of the most unbalanced and poorly designed competitive FPS games in history. If you can hate halo but like CS I question your credentials as an impartial game critic.

CS was really good when it came out, but the reverance it holds is a lot like that many people hold for Baldur's Gate, Starcraft, and Warcraft. People just love it. It's more than a little, ancient, by now. I'm still wondering why so many people play the game.

Wraithlordmechanic wrote:

sebster wrote:It’s an alright game.

The single player is let down by an incredibly poor story. The first MW game trod the fine line between realism and silliness, ultimately it told the story so well you don’t mind that it was a little goofy. The second game is simply completely ridiculous, and almost entirely incoherent. If the first game was Tom Clancy at his best, the second is Michael Bay at his worst. The individual missions and set pieces also wear a little thin despite the short running time - but the gun play is fun enough for the most part.

I agree completely. Surprise! Russians invade America! was about the stupidest story element I've seen in a game. Hacked satellites are a poor explanation for that horse story. And it only got worse with the big reveal that the big bad was a US general who was getting his own troops killed so he could be famous.

Actually, Shepherd started the war so that he could get a blank cheque, take credit for killing Makarov and defeat the Ultranationalists and restore his country's place in the world (which had fallen after the botched invasion in Cod4).

I thought the story wasn't bad at all. Simplistic, but not bad. The cinematic execution was amazing as ever (although nothing lived up to Sgt Jackson getting roasted by a nuke from first-person view).

chowderhead13 wrote:I'd rather be sent to prison, be forced to make the metal LR Crusader, then play Superman 64, and be shot in the head and eaten by a bunch of crazed meth heads then play 1 more round of FETHING CALL OF DUTY: MODERN WARFARE 2!!!!

chowderhead13 wrote:I'm 14

Superman 64 came out when you were 2-3 years old....

You are not old enough to go to prison...

Modern Warfare 2 is rated M 17+

...

you shouldn't be playing it anyway...






I love MW2, I play on PC...I hate the hackers and the occasional lag, but I deal with it. LOVE MW2. Can't wait for Black Ops.

IG_urban wrote:

chowderhead13 wrote:I'd rather be sent to prison, be forced to make the metal LR Crusader, then play Superman 64, and be shot in the head and eaten by a bunch of crazed meth heads then play 1 more round of FETHING CALL OF DUTY: MODERN WARFARE 2!!!!

chowderhead13 wrote:I'm 14

Superman 64 came out when you were 2-3 years old....

You are not old enough to go to prison...

Modern Warfare 2 is rated M 17+

...

you shouldn't be playing it anyway...






I love MW2, I play on PC...I hate the hackers and the occasional lag, but I deal with it. LOVE MW2. Can't wait for Black Ops.

Pfah, I've been playing doom since I was 6, and I cam out fine, PEGI is for spankers who aren't gonna turn out right regardless.

wow....that wasn't the point of my post...

IG_urban wrote:wow....that wasn't the point of my post...

You commented on another member, and it surprises you that they then responded?

And more on topic, I've been playing games ahead of my ratings bracket all my life. I was playing T rated games long before I hit 13, I was playing M rated games as early as 3rd grade, and I was checking out AO rated games a long time before I ever hit 18... And I turned out all right. *makes strange muttering noises while licking an x-acto knife blade*

MasterDRD wrote:

IG_urban wrote:wow....that wasn't the point of my post...

You commented on another member, and it surprises you that they then responded?

And more on topic, I've been playing games ahead of my ratings bracket all my life. I was playing T rated games long before I hit 13, I was playing M rated games as early as 3rd grade, and I was checking out AO rated games a long time before I ever hit 18... And I turned out all right. *makes strange muttering noises while licking an x-acto knife blade*

The ratings system here is a double-edged sword. It goes G (General/All ages), PG (Parental Guidance for under 15s) M (recommended for 15+) and MA15+ (restricted to 15 and over). Games that are 18+ in the USA/UK are generally only MA15+ here, which means less moral guardian stupidity but more kids in mature-rated games and censorship of some titles to fit MA15+ (Left 4 Dead 2, for instance). Fortunately, the latter isn't that common.