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It can be whatever kind of problem it wants to be, but the crowd in my area is very similar to what the OP describes :/ I clarified that it was my first game and all the players (at least 8 of them) looked at each other trying to pick a "volunteer" like it was a big chore. Most of them weren't even playing at the time! I even had fully painted models unlike 3/4 of the "vets" there. Another of my friends had an even harsher experience along the same lines in a different store relatively nearby. There was not tournament coming up or anything I was crashing other than their casual play so I don't know what the big deal was. If it's worth anything I ended up later converting a good chunk of them into Anima Tactics players when they got tired of WM XD


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Aduro wrote:http://www.focusandfury.com/forum/index.php?topic=1315.0

lol. I don't consider myself a "40k player" as much as an Anima Junkie (and even then less of that a "hobbyist" as of late) but that rings very true. Their posts do seem really hostile though.

Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:If it's worth anything I ended up later converting a good chunk of them into Anima Tactics players when they got tired of WM XD

That's hilarious.

Perhaps I can do the same at the second coming of DnD Minis.

Aduro wrote:http://www.focusandfury.com/forum/index.php?topic=1315.0

Blech, Focus and Fury. Real men listen to Iron Agenda.

...well then, Macho Men listen to all three...
Iron Agenda, Focus and Fury, and Boosted Damage.

Well it is a fact that warmachine and hordes are better games(in terms of depth) than 40k and fantasy.

Warmachine/hordes=Adults/clever kids.

Fantasy=kids.

40k=littler kids.


Its not a bad thing. I can play 40k or fantasy with my 10 year old cousin and he will win almost half the time seeing as the game is more about dice and army matchups with almost zero skill involved. If I were to play him at warmachine or chess I would have to play bad on purpose just to give him a chance.

Its a shame the OP had such a bad experience with those particular people.

Oh, GfK, you are so cute when you are out trollin'

Let's see who bites. Better, let's see who bites after I've written this.

GhostfaceKillah wrote: Well it is a fact that warmachine and hordes are better games(in terms of depth) than 40k and fantasy.

Warmachine/hordes=Adults/clever kids.

Fantasy=kids.

40k=littler kids.


Its not a bad thing. I can play 40k or fantasy with my 10 year old cousin and he will win almost half the time seeing as the game is more about dice and army matchups with almost zero skill involved. If I were to play him at warmachine or chess I would have to play bad on purpose just to give him a chance.

Its a shame the OP had such a bad experience with those particular people.

Sanctjud wrote:...well then, Macho Men listen to all three...
Iron Agenda, Focus and Fury, and Boosted Damage.

And sensible ones listen to Guts 'n' Gears

@GhostfaceKillah

Oh... missed that one, thx.
Gonna catch up on that one .

I love listening to Warmachine podcasts while converting/sculpting stuff for 40K


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IIIAAEEEEEE my eyes! My eyes! What is seen can not be unseen!

Sanctjud wrote:
IIIAAEEEEEE

I had a rack in Scrabble that wasn't terribly far from that the other night

In all fairness, what we have here is just one side of the story. What would the people at the store say if they were to talk about you?
I'm not accusing you of anything, but I'm trying to understand what circumstance would lead these people to say this kind of stuff to you.
Did you have some kind of disagreement or argument with them while playing the game? Could some statements you made have been misconstrued in such a way as to make you look like TFG?
I'd say the thing to do is calmly sit down with these people and explain that you really like War Machine and you'd appreciate any help in learning and playing the game you could be given.

Quartermaster Jen got back to me and told me that the Press Ganger at my store is not even a Press Ganger. So he's been lying and posing as one.

Hilarious.

I believe this confirms the TFG infestation hypothesis. There's only one solution now.

Nuke the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

If that's so, time to get the store owner involved. Remember that the owner has a vested interest in this matter. If he doesn't respond, his store is as good as dead in a year.

Why in the world would anybody impersonate a Press Ganger? It's not like we're official PP representatives or carry any sort of authority outside the events we actually run and the work we actually do...which you can do as a regular guy too...all the advantages of being a PG come from getting registered as one....

Weird.

[edit] I do enjoy Dakka's word explainer yellow text thingie. I must have been really lucky with all those rolls, not overheating once!

Impersonator? Wow. Must be to get the ladies.

I'm going to play the Devil's advocate on this one.

Alot of times when I'm hanging out at my FLGS, no matter what is scheduled that night, I'm mostly there to hang out with the group of gamers that I usually game with. We are a very close knit group, and are all good friends. If, out of the blue, someone new showed up, expecting to play at a point value that isnt whats normally played at, we probably wouldnt be overly nice to them. I'm not saying that we would be flat out meen to them, we just wouldnt go out of our way to help them, until we got to know them. There is a time and place for new players, and getting into an established gameing group is sometimes hard. No matter how bad one of the members treated you getting them introuble be it with the store or Privater Press is not the way to go. The rest of the group is probably going to be pretty resentful, and I garuntee you that no store owner is going to alienate an entire group of gamers just to make one person happy.

Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:lol. I don't consider myself a "40k player" as much as an Anima Junkie (and even then less of that a "hobbyist" as of late) but that rings very true. Their posts do seem really hostile though.

Their hostility is just a side effect of how Privateer games are designed. Synergy, optimization and tournament effectiveness are the only things that matter, and sooner or later, playing a game that's so completely focused on competitive gaming rubs off on you.

GhostfaceKillah wrote: Well it is a fact that warmachine and hordes are better games(in terms of depth) than 40k and fantasy.

How about we split the difference and call both 40k and WM terrible games? One's barely coherent and plagued with immature crybabies, the other's a banal, sleek engine of a gamesystem that only does one thing.

malfred wrote:Impersonator? Wow. Must be to get the ladies.

His latest "catch" resembles Owen Wilson.

Catyrpelius wrote:I'm going to play the Devil's advocate on this one.

Alot of times when I'm hanging out at my FLGS, no matter what is scheduled that night, I'm mostly there to hang out with the group of gamers that I usually game with. We are a very close knit group, and are all good friends. If, out of the blue, someone new showed up, expecting to play at a point value that isnt whats normally played at, we probably wouldnt be overly nice to them. I'm not saying that we would be flat out meen to them, we just wouldnt go out of our way to help them, until we got to know them. There is a time and place for new players, and getting into an established gameing group is sometimes hard. No matter how bad one of the members treated you getting them introuble be it with the store or Privater Press is not the way to go. The rest of the group is probably going to be pretty resentful, and I garuntee you that no store owner is going to alienate an entire group of gamers just to make one person happy.

This is one of the problems with trying to get into wargaming...

If someone new comes in and your a prick to them you may have just lost another potential player in an already very small group.

There are NOT a lot of wargamers out there and if someone new comes into the store i play at we are nice to them so they hopefully come back and play again...

This poster above is one of the reasons we have difficulties getting people into the hobby.

Call it what you want, but your being a jerk and damaging the reputation of the hobby.

Also i bet you just about anything a store owner wouldnt be happy with your group if they are getting complaints saying your group is driving away players ( and potential monetary income).

Aduro wrote:http://www.focusandfury.com/forum/index.php?topic=1315.0

The funniest thing in that thread is a bunch of Privateer Press fanboys talking smack about Warhammer fanboys getting taken advantage of by Games Workshop.

I worked at Privateer Press. I know exactly what their corporate culture is like, and they are all about money, same as GW. The president of PP, Sherry Yeary, has no idea how to play the game and doesn't even know all the factions. She doesn't care about them. I heard her refer to the latest book release at the time, Pirates of the Broken Coast, as "our new catalog." They literally see their books as nothing more than $20 marketing gimmicks to advertise new models. And the game design philosophy boils down to "Do these new units make old units suck and thus require everyone to buy the new units? Yes? Print them up!"

Gailbraithe wrote:And the game design philosophy boils down to "Do these new units make old units suck and thus require everyone to buy the new units? Yes? Print them up!"

Except that if you play only with models from the original book you can have a very competitive army.

They're a corporation, of course they're out for money, but that doesn't mean they're like GW.

The Power Cosmic wrote:

Gailbraithe wrote:And the game design philosophy boils down to "Do these new units make old units suck and thus require everyone to buy the new units? Yes? Print them up!"

Except that if you play only with models from the original book you can have a very competitive army.

They're a corporation, of course they're out for money, but that doesn't mean they're like GW.

They're the same, they're just worse at it at the moment. Give them a few years for the rot to really set in.

PP's trajectory is slightly different, of course. They've decided to produce a game completely aimed at tournament players (a very nice illustration of the way American and British wargaming traditions differ), and by creating a dynamic, constantly evolving metagame with continuous new releases and sanctioned and widely publicised tournaments, are all set for tapping the wallets of the optimization junkies. Their business model seems to be closer to WOTC's ridiculously profitable MTG pattern, with a steady core of players being constantly taunted and enticed to buy new things under the assumption that it's necessary to keep up with the metagame.

You know, the internet is more to blame for that than any one company, but that's a completely different thread. And I'll admit that I'm a little worried about the direction PP is going, what with their lead concept artist leaving and an interview I heard with Creative Director Matt Wilson (and his seeming lack of attention he's giving the games), but darn it if they're not a whole heck of a lot better at PR than GW. They had a public beta for the second edition of the rules, for goodness sake. Don't try holding your breath until GW tries something like that.

And why should we be upset at a company putting out new releases and then trying to sell them to people? No one is forcing you to keep at the bleeding edge of the game, and as I said, someone with only models from the first book still has a very viable army. If you're swayed by internet message boards with people telling you that you MUST play with X model to win, that's your problem.

And just because a ruleset is tight and succinct doesn't mean it's only aimed at tourney players. I've never played in any serious tourney, but immensely enjoy PP's rule over GW's because it's a better, more sophisticated ruleset.

Agamemnon2 wrote:

Synergy, optimization and tournament effectiveness are the only things that matter

In 40K I think we currently call them Space Wolf players...

Gailbraithe wrote:. I heard her refer to the latest book release at the time, Pirates of the Broken Coast, as "our new catalog."

Have you ever read the fluff text for the Onicorps book for AT-43? The AT-43 books are
fun reads because they try to incorporate fluff based descriptions. Well the Onicorps army
book is a book of mercenary troops developed by Onicorps as killer zombies. And you know
what Onicorps itself calls its army book? A catalog. Fun stuff! I've been preparing a blog post
dealing with this concept of the army book as catalog.

That doesn't just apply to AT-43. It applies to 40k, Warmachine, and any game where the
company's primary revenue comes from the sale of models. Army books are catalogs. They're
not necessary, but they are another layer to making that sale in the miniatures market.

Dude, obviously you should just kick the offending party in the junk, then when he's stunned, take one of those heavy arsed warjacks and smash him in the dome with it.

Now, everyone else will be terrified of you, and the blood effect on your jack will be legit. Mad street cred there.

So you become the alpha male of the store and rule over it with an iron fist. If these jokers give you anymore trouble, tell them to get lost and confiscate all of their models! muahahahaha!

So the store owner got involved. PP called the place and the employee got the owner to lie to them. Now, not only has the problem not been dealt with, the impersonator Press Ganger will be given actual Press Ganger status. This is a guy who has been banned from all of the other stores who would do well with a PG.

Unbelievable.