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Ladies and Gentlemen, the modern-day bolter does, indeed, exist. Or should I clarify that the technology for the bolter-round exists, and was researched, but at the time it was found to be too inefficient and costly to be effective on the battlefield. It is known as Gyrojet technology, and consists of missile-like projectiles that match the fluff in the codex more closely than any other weapon-system I have come across.

The AA-12 only reminds of the bolter proper when using the 8 round box mag with the Super Frag ammunition, otherwise, it's really just a shotgun, as many people have said, the Bolter fire Missiles or Grenades more than Catridges or Bullets.

The OC-D

It fires multi-stage shells rather than pure rockets, with the rocket part being the second stage.


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Hashbeth wrote:Ladies and Gentlemen, the modern-day bolter does, indeed, exist. Or should I clarify that the technology for the bolter-round exists, and was researched, but at the time it was found to be too inefficient and costly to be effective on the battlefield. It is known as Gyrojet technology, and consists of missile-like projectiles that match the fluff in the codex more closely than any other weapon-system I have come across.

Gyrojet != bolters.

Gyrojet rockets are caseless, purely rocket affairs, whereas bolters use a far more complex piece of ammunition.

Just a shotgun. One that looks like a big goofy M-16. Sure it's automatic, but so would a Saiga 12 be if they want one. Bolters fire self propelled rockets. Look up the Gyrojet rocket pistol. That's more along the lines of a bolter

Hashbeth wrote:Ladies and Gentlemen, the modern-day bolter does, indeed, exist. Or should I clarify that the technology for the bolter-round exists, and was researched, but at the time it was found to be too inefficient and costly to be effective on the battlefield. It is known as Gyrojet technology, and consists of missile-like projectiles that match the fluff in the codex more closely than any other weapon-system I have come across.

Please explain how Gyrojet weapons knew how to detonate inside their targets.
I'm fairly certain they couldn't do that.


And for anyone wanting to read up on the Gyrojet stuff, here ya go:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gyrojet

If one more person brings up Gyrojets and thinks their the first person doing such... I'll... I'll... complain some more.

Seriously though, the whole bolter topic has been has been talked to death.

Now, the AA-12 is not the first automatic shotgun, there is nothing unique about it other then it was featured on Future Weapons and shows like that. Whoop-de-do it can fire explosive ammunition...So can any other shotgun made.

the SPAS 15 look more like a bolter to me

it for one had the approximately correct shape

loved it in the expendables.

I think the AA-12 was so popular because it looks so fancy and "futuristic" (read: made of plastics). That, and it's apparently insanely reliable.

Wheres the vote option for i saw the AA-12 like 10 years ago and it dont resemble a boltgun in any way and also is a hideous looking pointless weapon?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g77sLmw-UcY

Problem solved by the youtubes

Nothing like a boltgun, but that sure was pretty.

All guns can be modified to fire any ammunition as long as it is similar in size shape and core density.

Many weapons today use bolter like shells. Bullets that penetrate and explode are nothing new.

The OP talked about psychological effect of a bolter on battlefield.
This is just the same as an army using dumdum rounds or explosvie rounds to demoralise an enemy.

Now, if you had an army of 7 foot power armoured behemoths bearing down on you then you'd be bricking it.

infernus1986 wrote:Wheres the vote option for i saw the AA-12 like 10 years ago and it dont resemble a boltgun in any way and also is a hideous looking pointless weapon?

Where's the option for "knew about the AA-12 20 years ago and it still wasn't that impressive then".

Not a bolter. A larger more silly shotgun.

I'd rather have a 120mm smoothbore firing canister rounds.

Now that's a shotgun.

Corennus wrote:Many weapons today use bolter like shells.

Not a single weapon uses a bolter-like shell.

There are weapons that use ammunition which has a single aspect of the bolter shell. But no weapons which use ammunition that has every aspect.

Not every aspect no. But there are high explosive rounds. hypersonic rounds etc.

Scary thing: Bolters wouldn't actually be that much of a wow factor on the modern battlefield. we can already field more versatile weapons.
Now if someone would care to invent the lascannon......

That's how I heard it too Melissia. It grows exponentially.

A bolter is nothing like this gun, what the hell guys.

EDIT-

I think people saying it wouldn't be effective forget that someone in Power Armour can walk through a rain of fire to use this gun more effectively. They don't need a stock for accuracy, they are bio-engineered to see as the weapon sees.

Not to...what can I say...kick a dead horse?..but this has been posted one thousand times, and no, I have never associated the aa12 with a boltgun. I find it inconceivable. Even if it fires roughly the same caliber/mm shells, It just isnt.

Corennus wrote:Not every aspect no. But there are high explosive rounds. hypersonic rounds etc.

Scary thing: Bolters wouldn't actually be that much of a wow factor on the modern battlefield. we can already field more versatile weapons.
Now if someone would care to invent the lascannon......

Yes, and? Nobody cares if it has a single aspect. It's irrelevant-- lots of things share coincidental aspects with other things.

Also, bolters would be a rather wow factor if you hit someone with it. A basic infantry weapon-- a rifle, not a grenade launcher, a rifle which an entire squad has-- which can cause a human body to explode, or rip apart light vehicles, etc. That is something that would cause a big impact.

You're comparing it to a special weapon. This isn't a special weapon, it's a BASIC weapon. Compare it to a modern assault rifle if you want to claim it wouldn't make an impact.

Also, bolters would be a rather wow factor if you hit someone with it. A basic infantry weapon-- a rifle, not a grenade launcher, a rifle which an entire squad has-- which can cause a human body to explode, or rip apart light vehicles, etc. That is something that would cause a big impact.

This is exactly what the AA-12 can do on a modern day battlefield, a single HE round will tear a man into pieces and most likely kill the men next to him, while AP rounds can turn a light tank or APC to swiss cheese. no modern armor aside from a heavy tank is safe from the AA-12
Sure, well never see a full squad of marines fully equipped with AA-12s carrying a full load out of HE, incendiary, airburst, HEAP, and fragmentation rounds into combat, but on the modern battlefield, the AA-12 mimics the bolters destructiveness; both being able to destroy pretty much anything you can throw at it

kennyalhavg wrote:This is exactly what the AA-12 can do on a modern day battlefield

The AA-12 is an overhyped piece of crap, and the only reason anyone gives a damn about it is because they saw it on some cable channel. It's been out for over 39 years and nobody has adopted it for military use. Nobody adopted the newer version that's been out for six years, either.

And even if they did, it's a grenade launcher. Not a basic weapon given to everyone in the deployment. Personally I bet the Imperium's grenade launchers are better

The AA-12 is an overhyped piece of crap, and the only reason anyone gives a damn about it is because they saw it on some cable channel

I already said it once and im going to say this again, ive been following this weapon since back in 2000 when the USMC began looking for a new combat shotgun, and the AA-12 is COMPLETELY different to the weapon it was 39 years ago, its like comparing the modern GE XM214 minigun the the HH-3 minigun of the vietnam era. As a newsflash, sophisticated weapons arent perfected over night, but it takes time and rigorous testing before you get good results; and the modern AA-12 is receiving terrific results.
The AA-12 is not a grenade launcher, but an entirely whole new breed of weapon like we have never seen before (apart from a auto shotgun of course)

ChocolateGork wrote:loved it in the expendables.

Beat me to it.
BUD BUD BUD BUD BUD BUD BUD BUD BUD BUD

kennyalhavg wrote:The AA-12 is [...] an entirely whole new breed of weapon like we have never seen before

I just... Guh. I'm speechless.

I'm sure some of you have seen this, but it seems much more closer to a bolter than an AA-12

Bolters are for sissy marine players!

REAL MEN (or orks!) use inaccurate guns that dont jam easily and have a boatload of bullets! (I guess the AK 200 counts as that!)

Corennus wrote:Not every aspect no. But there are high explosive rounds. hypersonic rounds etc.

Scary thing: Bolters wouldn't actually be that much of a wow factor on the modern battlefield. we can already field more versatile weapons.
Now if someone would care to invent the lascannon......

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This made me laugh. Very hard.
"Hypersonic" rounds?
You mean, like, a round that flies faster than the speed of sound?
So, like, you know...almost every single round made.
Since you have to get specially made rounds if you want them subsonic.
Like subsonic 9mm rounds loaded into an MP5-SD.
=D
Nice try with gun-words, though.

this has always reminded me of the bolter for some reason, i imagine the damage cause is quite similar.

its a 40mm mk19

Want.
Also, I owe you £5.
(I love the MK19 on Far Cry 2, by the way xD)