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The 20 GBP would be to send something big (like 2 battleforces).

The basic tenets of capitalism say that as a buyer, you are to pay what you feel is the best price for an item. As a seller, you are supposed to ask for the best price you think you can get for an item.

somewhere those lines meet. If someone is charging what you feel is an outlandish price, then don't pay it. Not a lot else really needs to be said.

Tanhausen wrote:The 20 GBP would be to send something big (like 2 battleforces).

Overseas is more expensive and you pay based on size and weight. Asking for it to be "signed for" is a killer, but if your item has a high value it's worth it for the insurance and to prevent yourself being ripped off.

£5 inland for the UK is a lot of money although I notice he's listed it for "special delivery" which has a minimum charge, probably the £5 actually. Assuming he does indeed send it special delivery then the buyer gets what they paid for, but a £1 figure or whatever that sells for isn't worth special delivery. I sell on eBay and a single metal figure postage and bubble packaging costs between £1-2 in total, I can pack and post a paperback book for less than £2. Anyone asking more than £2 for posting a single miniature is heading towards profiteering through the postage charge, something that eBay doesn't like very much.

He obviously thinks his masterpiece is worth special delivery, I doubt many others do.

Howard A Treesong wrote:

Tanhausen wrote:The 20 GBP would be to send something big (like 2 battleforces).

Overseas is more expensive and you pay based on size and weight. Asking for it to be "signed for" is a killer, but if your item has a high value it's worth it for the insurance and to prevent yourself being ripped off.

£5 inland for the UK is a lot of money although I notice he's listed it for "special delivery" which has a minimum charge, probably the £5 actually. Assuming he does indeed send it special delivery then the buyer gets what they paid for, but a £1 figure or whatever that sells for isn't worth special delivery. I sell on eBay and a single metal figure postage and bubble packaging costs between £1-2 in total, I can pack and post a paperback book for less than £2. Anyone asking more than £2 for posting a single miniature is heading towards profiteering through the postage charge, something that eBay doesn't like very much.

He obviously thinks his masterpiece is worth special delivery, I doubt many others do.

Hey! That's my auction you are bashing!





Just kidding. Further to Howard's answer, I have noticed over the years a trend for Ebay vendors to start using recorded or signed for delivery, even for items that don't merit it in value. There seems to be a rising wave of people receiving goods and then claiming to paypal that they were never sent. This has lead to more sellers 'insuring' themselves against this type of paypal / mail fraud.

Like most of bad things that happen regarding ebay, it's the consumer who gets bitten because ultimately, P&P costs are rising as a result.

LunaHound wrote:I have absolutely no luck with selling my painted stuff , almost makes me not want to paint at all lol.

That surprises me. I've seen your painted stuff.
I'd think it would sell well.

Eric

So far i sold my 3000pt IG army, and i got just about what i paid for it from it. Fully painted.

I would have asked for more but its hard to sell Giant Armies.


I might be selling my Tyranids, they are all painted well, and when i list them on Ebay i wont take less then full retail.

Why ? Because if they dont sell i will keep them, and they can set in the closet.. Auctions only cost like $2-3 if they dont sell.

If somone wants cheap models to strip.. then don't bid or complain about my auction.

If somone wants a nice Tyranid army, that has very good options, then it could be an army someone out there is looking for.

Not all of us go on Ebay to sell our armies just to dump and get rid of them real quick.

btw.. if you actually care enough about wanting to strip them, and paint them to new.. Buy new models... The quality will always be better then buying models second hand unless they are metal.

some people simply don't want painted or even assembled figs and will ding you on the value for that while others will pay a premium for it... and then there are the people that aren't sure. i had one guy who tried to bargain me down on my painted figs a few years back because he said he'd have to strip them to match the army. when i offered to do the work for him (since i was stripping something else soon) to get a slightly better price, he quickly balked at that idea. he simply wanted to ding me for painting them while at the same time using them as is. in general, if you think you'll sell an army down the line, paint it up in a standard scheme and don't deviate and that, on average, will get you closer to current retail. most people won't pay more than retail for a painted army from a nobody on ebay but they will pay retail or close to it for a nicely done one from a nobody. no one will pay extra for a polka dotted tau army (except maybe dashofpepper since he started one).

that being said, i do think the market for painted figs has gone down in the last few years unless you're a known internet painter. my earlier armies that i sold are decent tabletop quality but nothing special and my IG got pretty much 100% retail a few years back (which, with GW price raises over 8-10 years, was actually a 40% profit!); i was lucky last year to get 50% of retail on my painted orks. some of that decrease is probably due to the influx of super cheap aobr orks (mine are the 3rd edition plastics). the other thing is that people assume they can simply get auction prices with buy it now... that doesn't usually work. there's something to be said about people bidding furiously and over what they wanted to initially in the last few minutes that isn't true regarding BIN prices. if you're item is truly rare, you might get 75% of the auction price with BIN but most people (including myself) will balk at paying the full amount right off the bat. i'd personally rather wait and see if i can get a deal. there's a guy who is selling RT landraiders painted mediocre at best right now on ebay and has a BIN price from $60-90. could he *possibly* get that much in an auction? it's possible but not probable. will he likely get that in BIN? not likely and it's the second time i've seen the stuff listed (didn't sell the first time). does it cost him much to try? no, about 50 cents each auction for 30 days so i guess its worth it if he sells even a single one during that time. for him, it may be worth it to see if there are any buyers willing to pay that over a few months for a bunch of models he's not using.

I prefer to trade over selling or buying.

Trading is easily done at GW retail value, with bumps downward for damaged / not pristine stuff.

Selling or buying, I expect to pay somewhere between 50-75% retail. Having spent some time on E-bay the last few days looking for Tomb Spyders.....I can definitely say that people have inflated ideas about what their stuff is worth.

as for shipping, the US post increased shipping prices internationally to priority level last year as i found out when trying to ship some old d&d books to canada. the doubling of international prices as well as paypal/ebay's policies of "screw the seller" regarding refunds led me to not sell internationally. adding the delivery confirmation/signed delivery paypal says is necessary to protect yourself doubles the already inflated cost of shipping. including delivery conf in the US is only 80 cents and i'll do it for that price. internationally, it's not worth it unless you're selling a huge army and the buyer knows the shipping will be killer up front.


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Dashofpepper wrote:I prefer to trade over selling or buying.

wow, i reference you in a post and you appear within minutes like the batsignal was suddenly turned on.

Don't mention him: he has to finish and post the Game 6 Bat Rep... what will I read tomorrow at work?

Some folks are nuts about pricing, I agree. I can't fathom why joe-schmoe thinks I should pay him retail price for, well, anything. Part of the appeal of buying from a store or a well-known ebay seller is the security you get for the transaction. It's very unlikely you'll get ripped off or have problems. Buying something from some guy with 13 posts or no ebay feedback is a risk and the price should represent that.

Plastic models are the devil to strip. I've tried several methods, but none have restored them to a like-new state. I'm afraid I've only *ever* recieved ONE model that I didn't feel the need to repaint (a rhino that was black and drybrushed with silver - it doesn't look good, it's just not an eye-sore) this takes a huge chunk off of its value. Metal models are a bit more flexible in this regard because they are somewhat easy to restore to a like-new state, but it still takes a chemical stripper and time to do so.

I don't know, I guess if something is a NIB/NOS I'm looking for about 30-35% off. Usually I look for the used stuff I can refurbish though. That stuff I'm usually looking to pay around 30-50% of retail. It's usually pretty getable, but there's a gamble. I've gotten stuff for a steal that's in great shape and ready to be painted up immediately, but I've gotten a few real dogs here and there too - savable but will never look as good as it could have new.