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Gwar! wrote:Sororitas POWER Armour is still powered...

All they lack is the Black Carapace.

Believe me when I say, we already know this.

Man oh man, do we already know this...

If you look at the old concept sketchs for the rtb01 the funny 'exhust' bits on the power plants are actually labelled as thrusters to help with the weight issue. Since then I think the background evolved to say it's just power/recycling plant and the armours holds itself with the muscle fibres or whatever they're called. As for termies, the backs of the legs could be assumed to incorportated pistons or something as weight supports rather than being just ribbed armour plates... although the detailing does call for a fair bit of imagination on that one.

Coming from an Australian, what the frack is lbs?

Im pretty sure space marines in power armour are 1 tonne, and terminators are like..3 tonnes. Can only imagine what that makes a dreadnought.

Jaon wrote:Coming from an Australian, what the frack is lbs?

I loled. I always forget that this is a multicultural forum. The lb. is the abbreviation for the pound (the imperial version of the kg, just in case). I remember having someone from the Check Rpublic over my house one time. He stepped on the scale and it read like 130lbs, and he insisted that it was wrong and tried to fix it. The language barrier prevented me from explaining to him that we don't use the metric system.

1lb is equal to 0.45kg

Sister armor lacks life support and the enhanced strength from the suits and power armor its self is powered meaning its enhances the marines strength and speed and i dont think marines would have a big problem with stairs lol but it would b funny to see a special rule treat all stairs as dangerous terrain...

Space marine WS BS S T W I A Ld Sv
4 4 4 4 1 4 1 8 3+

Unit composition: 1 sergeant, 4-9 space marines
Unit type: infantry
War Gear: Power armor, bolt pistol, frag and krak grenades,
Boltgun
Transport: May select drop-pod, rhino or razorback.

Special rules: and they shall know no fear, GOD DAMN IT
NOT THE STAIRS AGAIN!

If marines are vulnerable to stairs, what about ladders?

Sgt: MARINE! Get up this ladder now! We need to rid this planet of these traitorous cowards!
Marine: Yes, sir!

*steps on to ladder, lifts other foot off the ground*
*ladder breaks and marine falls*
Sgt: Damn it!
Marine: What about stairs?
Sgt:....

I thought that is why space marines had scouts. You know to go up stairs.

Ordo Dakka wrote:
EDIT- Constantine I have read most of the Black Library catalog over the years concerning the Space Marines. If it's 750 Kilograms, then the Sororitas must be hell strong, because theirs is unpowered and is the same apart from the unaugmented strength, while still allowing full freedom of motion. It weighs less than 100kg.

It's not completely unpowered, it's just that it doesn't provide nearly as much strength augmentation Astartes powered armour (because of the black carapace).

Also remember that a Marine itself weight double more than an average human(if some Human has 80 kg then a Marine will have 160 kg-That is from novel Harlequin).
Heavy Bolter weights 40 kg IIRC(from Rogue Trader RPG).
And stairs would not be a Marine's enemy since most things can withstand Marine's weight.
Man Portable Lascannon weights 55 kg-Rogue Trader RPG
More to come if you want and assuming that FFG fluff about the weapon's weights is cannon.

The black Carapace doesn't add power... it allows the marine to interface with the life support systems in the armor. The servos that enhance strength are not present in Sororitas power armor.

If that's the case, then Sororitas powered armour is not powered armour in the first place.

Also, the Black Carapace doesn't add power or life support itself. It interfaces with the systems of the powered armour to control them.

sisters have power Armour its just not as advanced or as powerful as space marines are its in the Codex witch hunters
sisters dont have life support or enhanced strength cause they lack the black carapace to interface with...This information is available for free a games workshops web site by that i mean the codex its self is free to download on the astronomicon...and space marines are huge and heavy

Think a Termies aormor starts beeping real loud when he starts to walk backward?

Marines must have some sort of anti-grav in their armour or they'd sink every time they got to a swamp, or break every wooden bench or even as mentioned not be able to climb stairs!

Or ladders!

Ordo Dakka wrote:A suit of power armor is supposed to be too heavy to walk in for Space Marines without the power source. So probably some two to three hundred kilograms.

I do believe a marine can walk in his suit without the power, although it is very taxing. This is specifically mentioned in the second DA HH novel.
Anyways, basing on nothing official, I'd say 750 lbs approximately for a marine in armour.

Id go heavier and god i hate to use this example but master chief weighs in at 1000 pounds and to me master chief looks a lil emaciated compared to 40k marines...So i say a space marine whieghs in at a ton 2000 lbs for just a tactical marine in armour............

Somewhere in the RT / 2nd edition books I remember reading about weight reducing studs. They were described as very small (stud sized) and I think used the same anti grav technology that Land speeders use. They could be attached to weapons and other equipment to reduce the weight. It said they were quite common. So I guess there is no telling how much things really weigh.

dbsamurai wrote:ok my turn for some farcical logic!
if master chief is essentially a lithe space marine, and he weighs 1000 lbs in his skinny ass armor then power armored marines must be like, 1 ton with all their stuff, and termies must be like 2 cause they take up so much space and a rhino can't support their weight...
as to the bolter, i figure its probably only slightly heavier than an AA12 shotgun as it has to light enough for a squishy human to weild easily(albiet with two hands) since they suffer no initiative penalty for weilding one and they can be held in one hand (as seen by inquisitors and such who are posed with them aloft
and then a storm bolter is probably only slightly heavier as it is shorter in length than a "true" bolter

as to the eldar, I imagine that incubus are probably how big master chief would be in terms of appearence compared to marines, so banshees and such are probably wearing like, hitech versions of modern military combat armor

Keep in mind that the bulk of Chief's protection comes from his shield and even then small arms can kill him. Marines just have a block of ceramite so stuff just pings off as opposed to run into an energy shield so the marine is likely even heavier. assuming of course they were in the same universe and things made sense.

A bolter prolly weighs in at a good 15 pounds unloaded loaded prolly 30 pounds....a marines helmet is probably 40 pounds....

Power armour justs means armour that has motors in it so the wearer doesn't get tired wearing it. The point of it is to be able to move normally while wearing heavy armour, it doesn't have to give extra strength.

Marines don't need ladders as they can rip chunks of wall etc out with their fingers and climb that way.

Marines in armour going up stairs wouldn't be any heavier than a couple of men carrying a fridge or piano, I don't believe a power armoured marine would weigh the same as a car. I'm thinking more 150kg for the marine and similar for his armour and weapons so around 300kgs or 660lbs.

Terminators weigh a lot more than this but if the structure was so primitive that the stairs or floors couldn't take the weight then the marine is simply going to raze the structure to the ground and go after the target (if still alive) in the rubble.

Engineering in their time is probably alot better, bear in mind. Stairs constructed out of sturdy material in a tight spiral, with a cylinder core and outer wall, could take quite a considerable weight.
And a Termie is definitely gonna be weighing 2 tonnes at least. Average Marine... probably half that.

SmackCakes wrote:Somewhere in the RT / 2nd edition books I remember reading about weight reducing studs. They were described as very small (stud sized) and I think used the same anti grav technology that Land speeders use. They could be attached to weapons and other equipment to reduce the weight. It said they were quite common. So I guess there is no telling how much things really weigh.

They were called suspensors. RT and 2nd Ed (I think?) had encumberance in each weapons stats, so a Heavy Bolter would have 1" after the important killy stuff. This was supposed to be deducted from the movement rate of the carrying model (remember those). Suspensors were equipment that could be bought that would reduce this by 1/2" each. Obviouly they do not have a place in the 5th ED rules and the last time I saw them mentioned was as part of a special rule when the Deathwatch rules first rolled out in WD.

ShanksD wrote:Engineering in their time is probably alot better, bear in mind. Stairs constructed out of sturdy material in a tight spiral, with a cylinder core and outer wall, could take quite a considerable weight.
And a Termie is definitely gonna be weighing 2 tonnes at least. Average Marine... probably half that.

I agree, although the Imperium is often shown as a "future DarK Age" when Tech is stagnant, there presumably has been 28,000 years of development and enlightend thinking from our point of view before the stagnation set in, so PA could weigh very little compared to our rough estimations. Also IIRC the plates of the armour were originally Ceramite, which would indicate a strong lightweight (compared to plate steel for example) material to me, but lots of it would still be heavy.

To my mind PA is wearable un-powered but not useable until powered, so the SM would be able to move but emcumbered. Think of a weighted Deep Sea diving suit. You can stand walk to the edge of the boat, climb up/down the ladder but you do not have free movement until you are submerged (i.e. as if the power had been turned on!).

So a large framed 6' human would be 300lb then a 8' SM could well be over 40% heavier (+30% height & +10% bulk for gene enhancement/organs). PA could be anything from 300lb to 1000lb for all I know but would suggest that it would be no more that the weight of a SM less combat load (+ pack?) to enable the SM to be able to move before the power was switched on. So using my clumsy calculations I would suggest that an average SM is 450lbs and a suit of PA would be 300lb+. So 800-900lbs fully loaded? Further using this fuzzy logic I don't think that TDA could be usable unpowered, requiring some sort of support rig to put on before the power is switched on.

Personally other than the above speculation I would take my lead from either the current RPGs or the original WH40K:RT as there is a bit more thought and a lot less "Spess Marrienzz dey iz da assum so must be 2x Master Chief" hyperbole thay you will get at GW/intanetz.


Having said that I just found this top end military diving suit (I say suit, more of a submarine that you can wear!).

http://www.oceanworks.com/cms/pdfs/Quantum2000.pdf

Says it weighs 1140lbs!

notprop wrote:Personally other than the above speculation I would take my lead from either the current RPGs or the original WH40K:RT as there is a bit more thought and a lot less "Spess Marrienzz dey iz da assum so must be 2x Master Chief" hyperbole thay you will get at GW/intanetz.

You know i stated something about the Astarte Vs.Spartan..and in the game manuals for halo it states master chief is 7 feet and weighs in at 1000lbs....
But as for Astarte i have to go on assumptions Ive never found or read any information on how much a Space Marine weighs so here to make you feel a little more validated them there space men weigh at least as much and no more then just from looking at them in plastic or reading about them a toyota pick up truck with a load of chickens in the backs of it.... i guess im off to find the codex approved atkins diet for my marines then

ok here it boils down to the weight of marines i noticed this when reading about drop pods alright a drop pod can carry a ten man tactical unit or a single dreadnought but it can not carry terminators so it is safe to say a dreadnought ways as much as a squad but not as heavy as a five man terminator squad so WTF