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Still aggressive, if someone did it to you, you'd be all like "heeey maaan, not cool."

Niether is setting up orbit around the whole damn planet. It's pretty clear the Empire was the agressor there.

Andrew1975 wrote:

There's actually a pretty decent argument that Han shooting first is the only moment in the original trilogy where the side that initiated the violence was victorious. Every other time the side that attacked first was shown to be weakest for it and defeated. It's a nice little theme so I can see why Lucas changed it.

You are gonna have to prove that to me. The empire attacks Hoth and wipes the rebels away.

The rebels attack the Death Star and Death Star II and kill both.
The rebels attack the Imperials on Endor and wipe them out with freaking teddy bears.

Darth Bob wrote:Doesn't who died take precedence over who shot first?

No

sebster wrote:

Andrew1975 wrote:You are gonna have to prove that to me. The empire attacks Hoth and wipes the rebels away.

A bunch of extras get pasted, but they're extras All the main cast gets away, and the Empire doesn't get what they want out of the mission.

The rebels shot the Imperial Probe Droid. They started the violence on Hoth.

The probe droid shot first...

We all know Rodians are BS1...

Sly Marbo shot first.

sebster wrote:Thing is, it's the moment used to define Han as a character. Han can talk tough even while this guy has a gun pointed at him and then just blow him away without getting out of his chair. In the revised verion Han survives because Greedo is too incompetent to hit him from two feet away. Suddenly Han isn't free because he's a complete badass, he's free because Greedo was completely lame.

This, Han just shooting a guy dead in cold blood and with a sharp witticism was a majorly character defining moment.

Han shoots first -> Stone Cold Badass
Greedo shoots first -> Lucky

insaniak wrote:The probe droid shot first...

We'd better tell Lucas..

Henners91 wrote:

insaniak wrote:The probe droid shot first...

We'd better tell Lucas..

Did we just start a meme?

Jah-Jah shot first.

"Jah-jah" negates everything in the Star Wars universe.

Questions?

Who drew this picture, so I can go and give them a big hug?

Han shot first, and it is important, and not for the reasons Andrew1975 suggests.

Han shoots Greedo in cold blood, in a very underhanded manner. This is incredibly important in terms of the whole story arc of A New Hope, because it establishes something right away: Han Solo may be a charming guy, but he's also a stone cold killer. He's amoral and ruthless when we first meet him. This is reinforced throughout the first film, where he is constantly griping and requiring cajoling and bribery to do the right thing.

Han's story arc is integral to Luke's story arc, because it is the fundamental change in Han's character -- exemplified in his heroic rescue of Luke from Darth Vader's tie fighters in the final battle against the Death Star, where he risks his life with no promise of reward, finally doing a truly good deed -- that illustrates the "new hope" represented by Luke and the return of the Jedis to the battle against the Empire. Because Han's transformation is effected by Luke's embrace of Obi-Wan's Jedi teachings and Luke's general courage and heroism. Luke inspires Han to be a better man than he is at the beginning of the film.

So by changing the scene with Greedo, wherin Han shoots Greedo in cold blood, Han's fundamental nature is changed. He is no longer typical of the scum and villany of Mos Eisley, no longer the rogue captain who is transformed into a hero by his contact with the Jedi, but instead simply another hero in the story who eventually does the right thing.

I think it makes the story less interesting.

For once, I agree with Gailbraithe.

And also after Greedo was killed, the bartender turned him into wine!
=D
Not kidding, by the way xD

Gailbraithe wrote:Han shot first, and it is important, and not for the reasons Andrew1975 suggests.

Han shoots Greedo in cold blood, in a very underhanded manner. This is incredibly important in terms of the whole story arc of A New Hope, because it establishes something right away: Han Solo may be a charming guy, but he's also a stone cold killer. He's amoral and ruthless when we first meet him. This is reinforced throughout the first film, where he is constantly griping and requiring cajoling and bribery to do the right thing.

Han's story arc is integral to Luke's story arc, because it is the fundamental change in Han's character -- exemplified in his heroic rescue of Luke from Darth Vader's tie fighters in the final battle against the Death Star, where he risks his life with no promise of reward, finally doing a truly good deed -- that illustrates the "new hope" represented by Luke and the return of the Jedis to the battle against the Empire. Because Han's transformation is effected by Luke's embrace of Obi-Wan's Jedi teachings and Luke's general courage and heroism. Luke inspires Han to be a better man than he is at the beginning of the film.

So by changing the scene with Greedo, wherin Han shoots Greedo in cold blood, Han's fundamental nature is changed. He is no longer typical of the scum and villany of Mos Eisley, no longer the rogue captain who is transformed into a hero by his contact with the Jedi, but instead simply another hero in the story who eventually does the right thing.

I think it makes the story less interesting.

This! This ! a hundred times this!!

In his rush to "re imagine" the scene,and somehow make Han into a "decent,more family friendly kind of guy.",Lucas ultimately minimizes the true scope of Solos redemption,and thus,as Gailbraithe so eloquently summed up,makes Han less interesting.