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I'll be honest here, I voted Greedo. The only version of Star Wars I've ever seen is the special edition. But then, the original was released 14 years before I was born. I just can't share in your rage!
I've also only seen the Special Edition but I think the Han-First crowd give a good argument... he's supposed to be a scoundrel and a renegade who only cares for himself and money, hence why his redemption is an important event.
Luke frenched his sister, so he shot AND scored before either of them.
And whilst you're pointing and shouting at the boogeyman in the corner, you're missing the burglar coming in through the window.
Well, Duh! Because they had a giant Mining ship. If you had a giant mining ship you would drill holes in everything too, before you'd destory it with a black hole
There's actually a pretty decent argument that Han shooting first is the only moment in the original trilogy where the side that initiated the violence was victorious. Every other time the side that attacked first was shown to be weakest for it and defeated. It's a nice little theme so I can see why Lucas changed it.
However, it means that Greedo, a career bountry hunter, missed Han from about two feet away... which is really stupid.
“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
sebster wrote:However, it means that Greedo, a career bountry hunter, missed Han from about two feet away... which is really stupid.
He wasn't really a 'career Bounty Hunter' though... he was a young wannabe, and not very good at it.
Wannabe or not, shouldn't you be scoring a hit from two feet away?
“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
sebster wrote:However, it means that Greedo, a career bounty hunter, missed Han from about two feet away... which is really stupid.
He wasn't really a 'career Bounty Hunter' though... he was a young wannabe, and not very good at it.
Wannabe or not, shouldn't you be scoring a hit from two feet away?
Let's put it like this.
In the expanded universe...Greedo's claim to bounty hunting fame?
He had none. One of his cousins was a professional bounty hunter for Jabba, and got Greedo the job. Han wasn't one of Jabba's "problem" hirelings, or so he thought at the time, so he sent Greedo on what should've been an easy job.
Greedo gets whacked, and the cousin gets picked up by the Stormtroopers in Mos Eisley a few weeks later.
In the expanded universe...Greedo's claim to bounty hunting fame?
He had none. One of his cousins was a professional bounty hunter for Jabba, and got Greedo the job. Han wasn't one of Jabba's "problem" hirelings, or so he thought at the time, so he sent Greedo on what should've been an easy job.
Greedo gets whacked, and the cousin gets picked up by the Stormtroopers in Mos Eisley a few weeks later.
He could be a one eyed MS sufferer, and it'd be silly for him to be missing from two feet.
“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
Seriously, I'm somewhat a fan of Star Wars but I've never understood the significance of this debate...Doesn't who died take precedence over who shot first?
There's actually a pretty decent argument that Han shooting first is the only moment in the original trilogy where the side that initiated the violence was victorious. Every other time the side that attacked first was shown to be weakest for it and defeated. It's a nice little theme so I can see why Lucas changed it.
You are gonna have to prove that to me. The empire attacks Hoth and wipes the rebels away.
"I don't have principles, and I consider any comment otherwise to be both threatening and insulting" - Dogma
"No, sorry, synonymous does not mean same".-Dogma
"If I say "I will hug you" I am threatening you" -Dogma
Seriously, I'm somewhat a fan of Star Wars but I've never understood the significance of this debate...Doesn't who died take precedence over who shot first?
Thing is, it's the moment used to define Han as a character. Han can talk tough even while this guy has a gun pointed at him and then just blow him away without getting out of his chair. In the revised verion Han survives because Greedo is too incompetent to hit him from two feet away. Suddenly Han isn't free because he's a complete badass, he's free because Greedo was completely lame.
Andrew1975 wrote:You are gonna have to prove that to me. The empire attacks Hoth and wipes the rebels away.
A bunch of extras get pasted, but they're extras All the main cast gets away, and the Empire doesn't get what they want out of the mission.
“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
Seriously, I'm somewhat a fan of Star Wars but I've never understood the significance of this debate...Doesn't who died take precedence over who shot first?
I always thought the only reason to ask this question was to incite Nerd Rage
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There's actually a pretty decent argument that Han shooting first is the only moment in the original trilogy where the side that initiated the violence was victorious. Every other time the side that attacked first was shown to be weakest for it and defeated. It's a nice little theme so I can see why Lucas changed it.
You are gonna have to prove that to me. The empire attacks Hoth and wipes the rebels away.
Don't the rebels shoot a Star Destroyer with their Ion Cannon first?
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Andrew1975 wrote:
There's actually a pretty decent argument that Han shooting first is the only moment in the original trilogy where the side that initiated the violence was victorious. Every other time the side that attacked first was shown to be weakest for it and defeated. It's a nice little theme so I can see why Lucas changed it.
You are gonna have to prove that to me. The empire attacks Hoth and wipes the rebels away.
And they also had a Star Destroyer that kicked the Corellian Corvette's arse at the very beggining.
Then there was the Forest Moon of Endor thingy.
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After the game, pack up all your miniatures, then slap the guy next to you on the ass and say.
By the clack-smack cracking of my thumbs, something wicked this way comes... 
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