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I'm not exactly sure of the species, but I know Taiji has legal permission to commence their dolphin hunts annually, and is not breaking a single law in the process.

I understand that their passionate about their cause, and more power to them for being passionate. However, he is not just raising awareness and the like. He would be raising awareness by giving speeches and writing pamphlets. He is trespassing, harassing and illegally surveilling these fishermen, even when he's been instructed by police to stop. In the movie, he is seen blatantly ignoring signs that declare areas off limits. I think this is crossing a line, and I really wish he'd be arrested and deported.

Yea he doesn't seem to respect that at all which is understandable considering the treatment of dolphins and his background. Not much of a fan of either camp tbh.

I'm not exactly sure of the species, but I know Taiji has legal permission to commence their dolphin hunts annually, and is not breaking a single law in the process.

Not only that, but all the dolphins harvested are classified as Least Concern and are harvested in a highly regulated and sustainable manner.

Why don't the fishermen just whip his Ass for him?

LunaHound wrote:

Karon wrote:I think cows are cute.

Snap.

Then i guess we have no rights to complain about Koreans eating dogs

Well, I don't. Do you?

Cane wrote:

"My father is more aware than anyone else of how extraordinary dolphins are," says Lincoln O'Barry. "Having worked almost 50 years with dolphins and as the trainer for the television-star Flipper, he has spent the last four decades trying to redeem himself for the mistake he made by working with the captive dolphin industry."

Basically Ric O'Barry seems guilty for his time working with captive Dolphins and wants to raise awareness worldwide about these practices in an effort to deter them.

Wait. His dad worked with Flipper for 50 years (already putting himself near 60-70) and he's been working the past four decades against the industry? Correct me if I'm wrong, but 60-70 + 40 = 100-110. Is his Dad honestly that old?

Emperors Faithful wrote:

Cane wrote:

"My father is more aware than anyone else of how extraordinary dolphins are," says Lincoln O'Barry. "Having worked almost 50 years with dolphins and as the trainer for the television-star Flipper, he has spent the last four decades trying to redeem himself for the mistake he made by working with the captive dolphin industry."

Basically Ric O'Barry seems guilty for his time working with captive Dolphins and wants to raise awareness worldwide about these practices in an effort to deter them.

Wait. His dad worked with Flipper for 50 years (already putting himself near 60-70) and he's been working the past four decades against the industry? Correct me if I'm wrong, but 60-70 + 40 = 100-110. Is his Dad honestly that old?

You misread; he said that he's worked almost 50 years with dolphins including being a trainer for Flipper. Four of the last decades involved raising awareness for the dolphins and he's been a pioneer in that regard. He is an older guy though, according to his wiki he was born in 1941.

Oh. So the four decades were inclusive in the 50 years?

Yea I think so, here's his wiki FWIW: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ric_O'Barry

ChrisWWII wrote:
I understand that their passionate about their cause, and more power to them for being passionate. However, he is not just raising awareness and the like. He would be raising awareness by giving speeches and writing pamphlets. He is trespassing, harassing and illegally surveilling these fishermen, even when he's been instructed by police to stop. In the movie, he is seen blatantly ignoring signs that declare areas off limits. I think this is crossing a line, and I really wish he'd be arrested and deported.

Speeches and pamphlets aren't going to stop the fishermen from slaughtering dolphins. The whole reason that they have laws against recording these fishermen killing dolphins is because they know that what they are doing is barbaric and wrong and they are trying to hide it. In order to make people aware to what is going on they had to break a few laws. What they are doing to these dolphins is much more of a crime than breaking a few trespassing and surveillance laws.

rubiksnoob wrote:

ChrisWWII wrote:
I understand that their passionate about their cause, and more power to them for being passionate. However, he is not just raising awareness and the like. He would be raising awareness by giving speeches and writing pamphlets. He is trespassing, harassing and illegally surveilling these fishermen, even when he's been instructed by police to stop. In the movie, he is seen blatantly ignoring signs that declare areas off limits. I think this is crossing a line, and I really wish he'd be arrested and deported.

Speeches and pamphlets aren't going to stop the fishermen from slaughtering dolphins. The whole reason that they have laws against recording these fishermen killing dolphins is because they know that what they are doing is barbaric and wrong and they are trying to hide it. In order to make people aware to what is going on they had to break a few laws. What they are doing to these dolphins is much more of a crime than breaking a few trespassing and surveillance laws.

The fishermen are not doing anything illegal. O'Barry was.

Exactly. The fishermen aren't doing anything illegal, they're just doing something that certain people in the world don't like. That doesn't make it evil or wrong, just different. O'Barry is the one breaking the laws by trying to surveil them. Don't you think you have a right to work without a crazy man who thinks your job is evil harassing you and video taping you (without your permission) so he can make a documentary of you that makes you look like a complete monster? Yeah, I didn't think so.

The fishermen are completely allowed to kill dolphins. Japanese law says they are, and there is a demand for the meat. Please explain to me why it's some how sick and wrong ?

Emperors Faithful wrote:

rubiksnoob wrote:

ChrisWWII wrote:
I understand that their passionate about their cause, and more power to them for being passionate. However, he is not just raising awareness and the like. He would be raising awareness by giving speeches and writing pamphlets. He is trespassing, harassing and illegally surveilling these fishermen, even when he's been instructed by police to stop. In the movie, he is seen blatantly ignoring signs that declare areas off limits. I think this is crossing a line, and I really wish he'd be arrested and deported.

Speeches and pamphlets aren't going to stop the fishermen from slaughtering dolphins. The whole reason that they have laws against recording these fishermen killing dolphins is because they know that what they are doing is barbaric and wrong and they are trying to hide it. In order to make people aware to what is going on they had to break a few laws. What they are doing to these dolphins is much more of a crime than breaking a few trespassing and surveillance laws.

The fishermen are not doing anything illegal. O'Barry was.

Crime in the sense that is wrong and should be stopped. It's disgusting. What they are doing is akin to raping nature. Do so few people really have an appreciation for the beauty of these creatures and of the oceans in which they live? Are people these days so separated from the natural and wild that they have lost all sense of the beauty and sanctity of nature, pure and untouched? Just because it is legal, does that mean that it is right?

Bunnies!

Cute, cuddly, soft, trusting, friendly, smart......

Or Vermin, pests, destructive, invasive....

Either way, depending on preparation..... Darn fine eating.

rubiksnoob wrote:

Emperors Faithful wrote:

rubiksnoob wrote:

ChrisWWII wrote:
I understand that their passionate about their cause, and more power to them for being passionate. However, he is not just raising awareness and the like. He would be raising awareness by giving speeches and writing pamphlets. He is trespassing, harassing and illegally surveilling these fishermen, even when he's been instructed by police to stop. In the movie, he is seen blatantly ignoring signs that declare areas off limits. I think this is crossing a line, and I really wish he'd be arrested and deported.

Speeches and pamphlets aren't going to stop the fishermen from slaughtering dolphins. The whole reason that they have laws against recording these fishermen killing dolphins is because they know that what they are doing is barbaric and wrong and they are trying to hide it. In order to make people aware to what is going on they had to break a few laws. What they are doing to these dolphins is much more of a crime than breaking a few trespassing and surveillance laws.

The fishermen are not doing anything illegal. O'Barry was.

Crime in the sense that is wrong and should be stopped. It's disgusting. What they are doing is akin to raping nature. Do so few people really have an appreciation for the beauty of these creatures and of the oceans in which they live? Are people these days so separated from the natural and wild that they have lost all sense of the beauty and sanctity of nature, pure and untouched? Just because it is legal, does that mean that it is right?

It's no different than fishing cod.

rubiksnoob wrote:Crime in the sense that is wrong and should be stopped. It's disgusting. What they are doing is akin to raping nature. Do so few people really have an appreciation for the beauty of these creatures and of the oceans in which they live? Are people these days so separated from the natural and wild that they have lost all sense of the beauty and sanctity of nature, pure and untouched? Just because it is legal, does that mean that it is right?

Thats human nature though. If it touches something humans care about , its an issue.
If it touches something they dont care about , its drama.

Cheesecat wrote:

rubiksnoob wrote:

Emperors Faithful wrote:

rubiksnoob wrote:

ChrisWWII wrote:
I understand that their passionate about their cause, and more power to them for being passionate. However, he is not just raising awareness and the like. He would be raising awareness by giving speeches and writing pamphlets. He is trespassing, harassing and illegally surveilling these fishermen, even when he's been instructed by police to stop. In the movie, he is seen blatantly ignoring signs that declare areas off limits. I think this is crossing a line, and I really wish he'd be arrested and deported.

Speeches and pamphlets aren't going to stop the fishermen from slaughtering dolphins. The whole reason that they have laws against recording these fishermen killing dolphins is because they know that what they are doing is barbaric and wrong and they are trying to hide it. In order to make people aware to what is going on they had to break a few laws. What they are doing to these dolphins is much more of a crime than breaking a few trespassing and surveillance laws.

The fishermen are not doing anything illegal. O'Barry was.

Crime in the sense that is wrong and should be stopped. It's disgusting. What they are doing is akin to raping nature. Do so few people really have an appreciation for the beauty of these creatures and of the oceans in which they live? Are people these days so separated from the natural and wild that they have lost all sense of the beauty and sanctity of nature, pure and untouched? Just because it is legal, does that mean that it is right?

It's no different than fishing cod.

It's very different than fishing cod. Dolphins are highly intelligent, self aware, and have a more developed nervous system, meaning they feel pain far more acutely than say, cod. Dolphins can communicate with each other and each dolphin is a unique individual, with it's own personality. Dolphins also display culture and use tools, putting them on the same level as primates and humans. They also are altruistic and will stay with injured individuals to comfort them and help them. Cod don't do any of this.

And in case you didn't know, dolphins are mammals, whereas cod are fish.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolphin

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cod

rubiksnoob wrote:
And in case you didn't know, dolphins are mammals, whereas cod are fish.

Cows are mammals too and we eat them (and yes I know cod are fish).

There are things that are enshrined in the laws of other countries that are absolutely abhorrent.

Albatross wrote:There are things that are enshrined in the laws of other countries that are absolutely abhorrent.

Such as eating non endangered animals like rabbits.

Cheesecat wrote:

rubiksnoob wrote:
And in case you didn't know, dolphins are mammals, whereas cod are fish.

Cows are mammals too and we eat them (and yes I know cod are fish).

The cows people eat (I personally don't) are domesticated and bred to go to the slaughterhouse. These dolphins are not. And dolphins are far more intelligent than your average bovine. Killing dolphins for food is like killing chimpanzees to make chimp burgers. They're so intelligent it is human-like. There are other animals that you can kill for food, like cod or cows.

Dolphins have also observed killing their fellow dolphins and gangraping females. Dolphins are animals just as any other creature, and we can feel free to eat them just the same as we eat any other creature. The fact that they communicate and talk means nothing really. Until there is some kind of ruling that dolphins are sentient animals and should be treated as humans instead of animals (which is unlikely to happen to say the very least) the dolphin is an animal that can be hunted and used for human needs as we see fit.

More importantly YOU and other people think it should be stopped. It's not the law that you can't eat dolphins. Sure they're beautiful. But some people want to eat them, and just because some people think its disgusting why should their protests overwhelm the right of people to eat what they want?

Edit: Alright...but what if I don't want to eat cod or a cow? What if I want....chimpanzee? Or reindeer? (Reindeer meat is actually quite good mind you. Like a mix of beef and veal.....) Do I not have the right to eat what I want? Also remember, it's abhorrent to US. To western civilization. Western civilization is NOT always right. What right do we have to look down on others and say they're 'abhorrent'?

rubiksnoob wrote:

Cheesecat wrote:

rubiksnoob wrote:
And in case you didn't know, dolphins are mammals, whereas cod are fish.

Cows are mammals too and we eat them (and yes I know cod are fish).

The cows people eat (I personally don't) are domesticated and bred to go to the slaughterhouse. These dolphins are not. And dolphins are far more intelligent than your average bovine. Killing dolphins for food is like killing chimpanzees to make chimp burgers. They're so intelligent it is human-like. There are other animals that you can kill for food, like cod or cows.

So I can't eat non-endangered animals just because I like the taste of them?

rubiksnoob wrote:(trimmed) Dolphins can communicate with each other and each dolphin is a unique individual, with it's own personality. Dolphins also display culture and use tools, putting them on the same level as primates and humans.

If dolphins are so amazingly smart and communicative with each other, would it not follow that they would warn others of their kind to avoid the area of this hunt at this time of year? I mean, I don't have to go to certain areas of L.A., New York, Miami, Chicago, or Detroit to know not to go there, because others have made it known that those areas are DANGEROUS. I know better than to make vacation plans to Somolia, North Korea, or Iran for the same reasons.

and just let me quote myself here...

Helgrenze wrote:Bunnies!

Cute, cuddly, soft, trusting, friendly, smart......

Or Vermin, pests, destructive, invasive....

Either way, depending on preparation..... Darn fine eating.

rubiksnoob wrote:

It's very different than fishing cod. Dolphins are highly intelligent, self aware, and have a more developed nervous system, meaning they feel pain far more acutely than say, cod. Dolphins can communicate with each other and each dolphin is a unique individual, with it's own personality.

"A 2007 study by the University of Guelph Scientists in Canada suggests that fish may have their own separate personalities.[10] The study examined a group of trout that were visually identical. The study concluded that different fish within the same group exhibited different personality traits. Some fish were more willing to take risks in unknown waters than others when taken from their environment and introduced to a dark tube. Some fish were more social than others while some fish preferred being alone. Fish were also shown to have different preferences as far as eating habits."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emotion_in_animals

rubiksnoob wrote:


The cows people eat (I personally don't) are domesticated and bred to go to the slaughterhouse. These dolphins are not. And dolphins are far more intelligent than your average bovine. Killing dolphins for food is like killing chimpanzees to make chimp burgers. They're so intelligent it is human-like. There are other animals that you can kill for food, like cod or cows.

...Are you serious?

Mmmm. Chimp burgers.

Why do Dolphins get all this attention when there are crabs being massacred in their millions every year and being glorified on television?

I'd like to see that guy trying to harass the Hilstrands.

But I think Pigs are cute....

Snap.

Karon wrote:But I think Pigs are cute....

Snap.

Jews and Muslims don't eat pigs because they think that they're cute. There's got to be another reason.

ChrisWWII wrote:

rubiksnoob wrote:Yeah, the 1st amendment is American, Mr. Ignorance.

The guy is American so he is exercising his rights. The point is, even in Japan he has the right to Freedom of Speech. The semantics don't matter.

rubiksnoob wrote: Just because the law protects something doesn't mean that it is right. Slavery used to be considered lawful, does that mean it was right?

That's true, but in this case the law isn't protecting the dolphin slaughter itself. The law he's breaking is that he's not allowed to take video in the national park, and he's not allowed to harass or slander fishermen. The slavery point is a good one, but that also puts us on a slippery slope. If anyone can break any law because they think it's 'unfair' or 'not right' then what would we have? Anarchy. Laws exist for a reason, and if you think they're unfair then the proper way of going about it is to try and change the law through established means, instead of just openly defying it. Defiance of the law is never justified.

Tell that to Mahatma Ghandi and Rosa Parks.

Laws are nothing more than a convenient set of rules so that humans can feel as if they live in a justified moral framework. However, they break those rules whenever it suits them, as their own personal justice and philosophy always over-rules that of societies.