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So, while watching Animal Planet, I caught the new documentary Blood Dolphins. It's being made by the same guy who made The Cove, and is more of him trying to stop the dolphin harvesting in Taiji, Japan. I personally think that it's terrible that this man feels like he can break laws and harass people just because he disagrees with their job choice in life. I really feel like these kind of insane animal rights activists are horrible human beings who feel like they should be crusaders against anything they disagree with, and feel like they can ram their ideals down the throats of everyone who disagrees with them, and to even use illegal techniques for that harassment.

What does everyone else think about this?

You seen the South Park episode?

well....im not sure what the movie is about...but if someone is killing animals in illegal hunting grounds because they can should be attacked...

Haven't seen the South Park unfortunately.

But the thing is that the fishermen AREN'T hunting in illegal areas. It's the filmakers who are breaking the law by entering restricted areas to film things they really shouldn't be. The movie is about the annual dolphin hunt in Taiji, Japan, and how this guy views it as evil and is trying to stop it.

ChrisWWII wrote:Haven't seen the South Park unfortunately.

But the thing is that the fishermen AREN'T hunting in illegal areas. It's the filmakers who are breaking the law by entering restricted areas to film things they really shouldn't be. The movie is about the annual dolphin hunt in Taiji, Japan, and how this guy views it as evil and is trying to stop it.

Are the Dolphins endangered?

I thought this was going to be a discussion on a new Space Marine chapter.

Anyway, I like dolphins as much as the next guy, but I can't get all bent out of shape about a perfectly legal hunt of some particularly cute fish(I know, shut up )

Cheesecat wrote:

ChrisWWII wrote:Haven't seen the South Park unfortunately.

But the thing is that the fishermen AREN'T hunting in illegal areas. It's the filmakers who are breaking the law by entering restricted areas to film things they really shouldn't be. The movie is about the annual dolphin hunt in Taiji, Japan, and how this guy views it as evil and is trying to stop it.

Are the Dolphins endangered?

Not that particular species, no.

Dude i watched the movie "The Cove" and i had to rite a report afterwords, the short version is it envolved a very racist and descriptive rant on why i now hate the asians, the movie was that brutal (note i do not hate all asians, i just severly raged after watching that movie) so before you judge this "nut job" watch the f g cove and see WHY he does this sort of stuff. Please note i am fully prepared to rage response on this subject so tread lightly.

@ tazz:

well, im not sure but do you mean that you hate asians who do bad things, or just alot of asians?

Tazz Azrael wrote:Dude i watched the movie "The Cove" and i had to rite a report afterwords, the short version is it envolved a very racist and descriptive rant on why i now hate the asians, the movie was that brutal (note i do not hate all asians, i just severly raged after watching that movie) so before you judge this "nut job" watch the f g cove and see WHY he does this sort of stuff. Please note i am fully prepared to rage response on this subject so tread lightly.

I have watched The Cove, and as much as dolphins are cute mammals the Japanese have every right to hunt them unmolested, just as I have a right to go to school unmolested. They have a right to not be slandered (or would it be libel in this case? Iono) just because someone doesn't like their job.

Watching it, I can't find a single reason besides 'dolphins are awesome' that was given as to why they should be stopped. More importantly, I can't find a reason why he should be allowed to break the law the way he did. Personally, I wish the police had arrested him and made him persona non grata so that their fishermen can work in peace.

Edit: Blood Dolphins does sound like an interesting chapter... =scribbles down in case I ever collect marines=

ChrisWWII wrote:

I have watched The Cove, and as much as dolphins are cute mammals the Japanese have every right to hunt them unmolested, just as I have a right to go to school unmolested. They have a right to not be slandered (or would it be libel in this case? Iono) just because someone doesn't like their job.

I wouldn't compare it to going to school, but you do make a point.

Watching it, I can't find a single reason besides 'dolphins are awesome' that was given as to why they should be stopped. More importantly, I can't find a reason why he should be allowed to break the law the way he did. Personally, I wish the police had arrested him and made him persona non grata so that their fishermen can work in peace.

Yep. It is exactly like that sometimes. Not all the time, but if these aren't endangered creatures then why the exception?

Edit: Blood Dolphins does sound like an interesting chapter... =scribbles down in case I ever collect marines=

I wonder how they'd do against Tau.

I don't like dolphins...these vicious b ards...

Did you know that being their "cute and friendly mammal" they can have a social behaviour close to the most disgustings human crimes ( collective rape for example)...

I don't like dolphins...have you seen the way they leave Earth without warning us of its imminent destruction?

Blitza da warboy wrote:@ tazz:

well, im not sure but do you mean that you hate asians who do bad things, or just alot of asians?

Lol oops i should of made that clearer, i realy hate the ones that doo all the REALY bad things, like the ones who were murdering the doulphins with glee, and there is one line that pretty much sums up my hatred from that movie was(il do my best to qoute it correctly) "we offered to pay the hunters double what the japanese government was for killing the dolphins, and they replied no, they kill them since they are a pest" sure i know dolphines can be mean little buggers, but but does that make it anymore right to kill them over lets say a baby seal (chosen since people also think that they are cute) also it was funny how about hafway into the movie it was showing how high the Asian (sorry cannot remember which specific area) fishing counts were, when the rest of the world fisheries place was thinking "wtf.... how did they get that number" turns out they were including the massive number of dolphines they were slaughtering.

P.S. I know my spelling sucks, sorry for any grevious mistakes.


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Monster Rain wrote:I thought this was going to be a discussion on a new Space Marine chapter.

Anyway, I like dolphins as much as the next guy, but I can't get all bent out of shape about a perfectly legal hunt of some particularly cute fish(I know, shut up )

Dude hes the bad part, it was not legal, they corral them so that they cannot exscape and use scare tactics (poles that resonate with loud sound waves were stuck into the water scarring the crap out of the dolphins) i am pretty sure taht anyone who tries to catch smaller fish like this would be sent to court or somethin for ilegal fishing almost anywhere else in the world

I totally forgot about the dolphin gang rape and muder things......All the more reason why this guy is a crazed nut job!

Hmm....Maybe they could be a near heretical faction of Spesh Mehreens who use captured Tau equipment. THE BLOOD DOLPHINS EXIT THEIR DEVILFISH! ...That could be amusing

Dolphins are pricks anyway.

A defect in the gene seed of the Blood Dolphins causes a blowhole to form in the center of every neophyte's back, between the shoulders. The Chapter also has a genocidal hatred of people of Asian descent.

Tazz Azrael wrote:

Blitza da warboy wrote:@ tazz:

well, im not sure but do you mean that you hate asians who do bad things, or just alot of asians?

Lol oops i should of made that clearer, i realy hate the ones that doo all the REALY bad things, like the ones who were murdering the doulphins with glee, and there is one line that pretty much sums up my hatred from that movie was(il do my best to qoute it correctly) "we offered to pay the hunters double what the japanese government was for killing the dolphins, and they replied no, they kill them since they are a pest" sure i know dolphines can be mean little buggers, but but does that make it anymore right to kill them over lets say a baby seal (chosen since people also think that they are cute) also it was funny how about hafway into the movie it was showing how high the Asian (sorry cannot remember which specific area) fishing counts were, when the rest of the world fisheries place was thinking "wtf.... how did they get that number" turns out they were including the massive number of dolphines they were slaughtering.

P.S. I know my spelling sucks, sorry for any grevious mistakes.


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Monster Rain wrote:I thought this was going to be a discussion on a new Space Marine chapter.

Anyway, I like dolphins as much as the next guy, but I can't get all bent out of shape about a perfectly legal hunt of some particularly cute fish(I know, shut up )

Dude hes the bad part, it was not legal, they corral them so that they cannot exscape and use scare tactics (poles that resonate with loud sound waves were stuck into the water scarring the crap out of the dolphins) i am pretty sure taht anyone who tries to catch smaller fish like this would be sent to court or somethin for ilegal fishing almost anywhere else in the world

...Alright, so basically you think dolphins are awesome and we shouldn't kill them, and that's the only reason you provide as to why we should not kill them. ....No. That's not how it works. There's no law stopping them from hunting dolphins, and the manner they choose to do it is up to them. If they want to use this 'wall of sound' to corall the dolphins then who are we to stop them? It's efficient and it works, that's what's important. Fine you don't like it because you think dolphins are cool, but that doesn't give you the right to harass the dolphin fishers and break trespassing laws in order to illegally record them doing it.

And by your logic it's wrong to kill any animal at any time. Umm, it's just as justified to kill a dolphin for its meat as it is to kill a cow for its or to kill any animal for its coat. More importantly, the Japanese people have a right to eat what they want, and its not our job as to west to go: "OMG!! YOU"RE KILLING CUTE ANIMALS! D: NUUUH YOU EVIL ASIAN PERSON! WE'RE GONNA BREAK LAWS TO STOP YOU FROM KILLING THINGS CAUSE WE THINK THEY'RE CUTE!!!!11!"

ChrisWWII wrote:So, while watching Animal Planet, I caught the new documentary Blood Dolphins. It's being made by the same guy who made The Cove, and is more of him trying to stop the dolphin harvesting in Taiji, Japan. I personally think that it's terrible that this man feels like he can break laws and harass people just because he disagrees with their job choice in life. I really feel like these kind of insane animal rights activists are horrible human beings who feel like they should be crusaders against anything they disagree with, and feel like they can ram their ideals down the throats of everyone who disagrees with them, and to even use illegal techniques for that harassment.

What does everyone else think about this?

It's just people standing up for something they think is wrong, and if you've seen the cove I think you'd be a little bit slower to condemn what they're doing. The dolphin harvesting is cruel and barbaric, and should be stopped.

And also something has to be said for killing an animal that is so trusting and intelligent. Have you ever been up close to a dolphin, not the ones at sea world or parks like it, but dolphins in the wild? I've gone out kayaking in the Atlantic, and I've had dolphins come right up to my kayak, let me touch them. We will have entire pods of dolphins swim with us and we paddle our kayaks. It's a truly amazing experience. They are such curious and trusting, and also intelligent creatures, it should be a crime to kill anything like that.

You may think its cruel and barbaric, and someone else may think that a cow farm is cruel and barbaric. If this guy wants to stand outside the fish market in Taiji with a sign saying "KILLING DOLPHINS IS BAD" then he's welcome to do it! First Amendment rights and all that. However, one group of people thinking something that another group is doing is wrong is now excuse for the first group of people to harass the second group of people ceaselessly. Watching the Cove, I see the filmmaker BLATANTLY violating both trespassing and illegal surveillance laws. He was told by police that he is not allowed to film or take pictures of the dolphin hunt, but he ignores them in his self-righteousness. Believe what you want about the dolphin hunt; it's none of my business. I can't control what you think, but the line is when you start breaking laws to try and ram what you think down someone elses throat. That is illegal, and anyone who does it should be arrested and charged as the criminals they are.

ChrisWWII wrote:You may think its cruel and barbaric, and someone else may think that a cow farm is cruel and barbaric. If this guy wants to stand outside the fish market in Taiji with a sign saying "KILLING DOLPHINS IS BAD" then he's welcome to do it! First Amendment rights and all that.

Yeah, the 1st amendment is American, Mr. Ignorance.


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ChrisWWII wrote:. Watching the Cove, I see the filmmaker BLATANTLY violating both trespassing and illegal surveillance laws. He was told by police that he is not allowed to film or take pictures of the dolphin hunt, but he ignores them in his self-righteousness. Believe what you want about the dolphin hunt; it's none of my business. I can't control what you think, but the line is when you start breaking laws to try and ram what you think down someone elses throat. That is illegal, and anyone who does it should be arrested and charged as the criminals they are.

Just because the law protects something doesn't mean that it is right. Slavery used to be considered lawful, does that mean it was right?

rubiksnoob wrote:Yeah, the 1st amendment is American, Mr. Ignorance.

The guy is American so he is exercising his rights. The point is, even in Japan he has the right to Freedom of Speech. The semantics don't matter.

rubiksnoob wrote: Just because the law protects something doesn't mean that it is right. Slavery used to be considered lawful, does that mean it was right?

That's true, but in this case the law isn't protecting the dolphin slaughter itself. The law he's breaking is that he's not allowed to take video in the national park, and he's not allowed to harass or slander fishermen. The slavery point is a good one, but that also puts us on a slippery slope. If anyone can break any law because they think it's 'unfair' or 'not right' then what would we have? Anarchy. Laws exist for a reason, and if you think they're unfair then the proper way of going about it is to try and change the law through established means, instead of just openly defying it. Defiance of the law is never justified.

ChrisWWII wrote:

rubiksnoob wrote:Yeah, the 1st amendment is American, Mr. Ignorance.

The guy is American so he is exercising his rights. The point is, even in Japan he has the right to Freedom of Speech. The semantics don't matter.

rubiksnoob wrote: Just because the law protects something doesn't mean that it is right. Slavery used to be considered lawful, does that mean it was right?

That's true, but in this case the law isn't protecting the dolphin slaughter itself. The law he's breaking is that he's not allowed to take video in the national park, and he's not allowed to harass or slander fishermen. The slavery point is a good one, but that also puts us on a slippery slope. If anyone can break any law because they think it's 'unfair' or 'not right' then what would we have? Anarchy. Laws exist for a reason, and if you think they're unfair then the proper way of going about it is to try and change the law through established means, instead of just openly defying it. Defiance of the law is never justified.

Wouldn't staging sit ins during the civil rights movement have been defiance of the law? Gandhi's civil disobedience was defiance of the law.

ChrisWWII wrote:So, while watching Animal Planet, I caught the new documentary Blood Dolphins. It's being made by the same guy who made The Cove, and is more of him trying to stop the dolphin harvesting in Taiji, Japan. I personally think that it's terrible that this man feels like he can break laws and harass people just because he disagrees with their job choice in life. I really feel like these kind of insane animal rights activists are horrible human beings who feel like they should be crusaders against anything they disagree with, and feel like they can ram their ideals down the throats of everyone who disagrees with them, and to even use illegal techniques for that harassment.

What does everyone else think about this?

I dont know , do you like dogs or cats? What if its legal for us to abuse and harm them? Would you accept it?
Because some people wont , and they'll even be vigilantes to protect them.

And thats what that guy is doing for the dolphins.

rubiksnoob wrote: Wouldn't staging sit ins during the civil rights movement have been defiance of the law? Gandhi's civil disobedience was defiance of the law.

More importantly, there's a difference between discrimnation against humans and hunting animals. Additionally, both Gandhi and the civil rights movement tried to change things through legal movements first before being forced to violate the law. Additionally, in both movements they did their best to stay within the law. Refusing to work isn't against the law. Sitting in the street isn't against the law. Making speeches isn't against the law. In those cases the ones who were breaking the law were those assaulting and beating those who were going along with the law.

In this case, its the protester breaking the law by ignoring the laws against trespassing and illegal observation. He isn't trying to obey the law to draw attention to an issue he views as unfair, he's flagrantly violating the laws to make his point.

LunaHound wrote:
I dont know , do you like dogs or cats? What if its legal for us to abuse and harm them? Would you accept it?
Because some people wont , and they'll even be vigilantes to protect them.

And thats what that guy is doing for the dolphins.

I do like cats in fact, and despite the fact I've never been allowed to have one (parents are allergic ), and if it was made legal to abuse and harm them I would be saddened, and if I could I'd sue to try and change things. However, if there was a culture out there who stages an annual cat hunt and enjoys eaing cats, I would simply shrug and say, 'oh well'. I wouldn't try and ram my beliefs down their throat, and would let them do what they wish. What people choose to eat is not our concern, and we have no right to force our values on them.

Laughing Man wrote:

Cheesecat wrote:

ChrisWWII wrote:Haven't seen the South Park unfortunately.

But the thing is that the fishermen AREN'T hunting in illegal areas. It's the filmakers who are breaking the law by entering restricted areas to film things they really shouldn't be. The movie is about the annual dolphin hunt in Taiji, Japan, and how this guy views it as evil and is trying to stop it.

Are the Dolphins endangered?

Not that particular species, no.

Then why would the filmmakers be so invasive on fisherman who are doing legal things and catching animals who aren't endangered for profit and food.

I think cows are cute.

Snap.

Karon wrote:I think cows are cute.

Snap.

Then i guess we have no rights to complain about Koreans eating dogs

Cheesecat wrote:Then why would the filmmakers be so invasive on fisherman who are doing legal things and catching animals who aren't endangered for profit and food.

Because they're a few fruits short of Carmen Miranda's hat?

LunaHound wrote:

ChrisWWII wrote:So, while watching Animal Planet, I caught the new documentary Blood Dolphins. It's being made by the same guy who made The Cove, and is more of him trying to stop the dolphin harvesting in Taiji, Japan. I personally think that it's terrible that this man feels like he can break laws and harass people just because he disagrees with their job choice in life. I really feel like these kind of insane animal rights activists are horrible human beings who feel like they should be crusaders against anything they disagree with, and feel like they can ram their ideals down the throats of everyone who disagrees with them, and to even use illegal techniques for that harassment.

What does everyone else think about this?

I dont know , do you like dogs or cats? What if its legal for us to abuse and harm them? Would you accept it?
Because some people wont , and they'll even be vigilantes to protect them.

And thats what that guy is doing for the dolphins.

But those are domestic animals not wild animals they have much different behaviors than wild animals.

Karon wrote:I think cows are cute.

Snap.

India loves 'em too; IIRC there was some cultural clashes back when McDonalds was trying to sell beef burgers over there since cows are respected and beloved creatures there. In fact I think both pork and beef meat are not really eaten there.

Cheesecat wrote:

Laughing Man wrote:

Cheesecat wrote:

ChrisWWII wrote:Haven't seen the South Park unfortunately.

But the thing is that the fishermen AREN'T hunting in illegal areas. It's the filmakers who are breaking the law by entering restricted areas to film things they really shouldn't be. The movie is about the annual dolphin hunt in Taiji, Japan, and how this guy views it as evil and is trying to stop it.

Are the Dolphins endangered?

Not that particular species, no.

Then why would the filmmakers be so invasive on fisherman who are doing legal things and catching animals who aren't endangered for profit and food.

What kind of dolphins are being caught anyway? Just because they aren't endangered doesn't mean they're in plentiful supply IIRC especially when it comes to these sea creatures.

And here's what the Blood Dolphins crew said about why they're passionate about this cause FWIW:

"My father is more aware than anyone else of how extraordinary dolphins are," says Lincoln O'Barry. "Having worked almost 50 years with dolphins and as the trainer for the television-star Flipper, he has spent the last four decades trying to redeem himself for the mistake he made by working with the captive dolphin industry."


"Dolphins are highly intelligent, self-aware, complex creatures that should swim free without the threat of slaughter or captivity," says Ric O'Barry. "Dolphins' primary sense is sonar sound, and living within small confines causes sensory deprivation and distress, while also extremely limiting their range of space. The most important thing I can do...that my son can do...is show the world through projects like BLOOD DOLPHINS just how threatened dolphins are so we can all do something about it."

http://www.examiner.com/cable-tv-in-national/blood-dolphins-and-the-cove-premiere-on-animal-planet

Basically Ric O'Barry seems guilty for his time working with captive Dolphins and wants to raise awareness worldwide about these practices in an effort to deter them.