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Lorek wrote:There may very well be new units that just don't have kits coming out yet. Check out the Stormraven, for example. If there are new units, expect them to possibly be cross-compatible with the next Eldar codex as well, especially if they involve Harlequins.

Same could be said that there could be one of the boxes that is for a new unit we have never seen before in the first wave of releases.

I still dream of the redesigned jetbike kit that will serve both eldar and the dark ones.

If there's one thing that having five SM model lines teaches us, cross-compatible lines can yield some cool results.

Imo combining the two jetbike kits would make each of them worse than if they were done separately.

I'm not advocating that they visually vanilla-ize the Eldar. But added customizability/interchangability would be good to see outside of the various Marine lines. Obviously, Marines make it the easiest on modellers.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Odd that they'd redo the Talos in metal. Then again, they only have a certain amount of frames they can do a year. Maybe they had other more pressing plans?

Is it 100% confirmed that the Talos is actually going to be kept in the Dark Eldar codex? Or could it have been renamed into the "Slaughterer" and the general unit idea repurposed?

I am quite certain that it will reappear, too many rumours about that one, not many established units have been dropped anyway, esp. not from a small Codex trying to get bigger.
I am however not certain about it being metal, plastic would make more sense, as Frgt/10 said, it will be bigger and have more variants.

@Kanluwen: Good question. We should expect some new things, right? There's been little thought (that I've seen) given to what might not make it to the new book.

Kanluwen wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:Odd that they'd redo the Talos in metal. Then again, they only have a certain amount of frames they can do a year. Maybe they had other more pressing plans?

Is it 100% confirmed that the Talos is actually going to be kept in the Dark Eldar codex? Or could it have been renamed into the "Slaughterer" and the general unit idea repurposed?

The rumors I have seen tag the "Slaughterer" as being a variant of the Ravager.

The more trusted rumormongers on Warseer seem to indicate that the Talos will be retained, for what it's worth.

Sorry if I missed something, but there is going to be a new book isn't there?

I am assuming that there will but ...

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:Sorry if I missed something, but there is going to be a new book isn't there?

I am assuming that there will but ...

Kroothawk listed a codex as part of the initial wave. But, no, there's no official word on anything. For all we know Jes could be about to unveil some adorable plush Dark Eldar that he's been knitting for that last two years.

Of course there will be a codex.

Is it weird that none of their stuff is unavailable on the GW website? I mean, November is coming up pretty soon . . .

Manchu wrote:Is it weird that none of their stuff is unavailable on the GW website? I mean, November is coming up pretty soon . . .

Expect them to keep their old models?

If october is pre order time, 1 month still there to sell boxes and blisters and codices.

Please don't Manchu... don't tempt me to get on my favourite hobbyhorse

Out of deference to the hardworking and long suffering Kroothawk will refrain

Thanks Plastictrees.

1Hadhq, there were murmurings about nothing available to order from the DE range iirc.

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:


1Hadhq, there were murmurings about nothing available to order from the DE range iirc.

And? Is it possible to get DE from GW yet? If so maybe they remove them not months before they plan to release new models.
Actual date + pre order date mentioned in OP + delivery = ? 4 weeks minimum maybe to grab new models?

I doubt they pull anything pre-GD UK.

Sorry. thought you were referring to old stock not the new models

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:Sorry. thought you were referring to old stock not the new models

Thougth that too.

Since this official statement of 'jes+sculpts/models at GD UK' hit the interwebz,
its possible to assume there are new models to look at.
But, the old stock won't vanish.
Why should GW empty their shelves of DE and have you all stare at ? models ? 4-5 weeks ?

Won't happen.

But the DE aren't on the shelves, so no pulling is needed.

Whenever the "incoming" shows, I bet they suggest that those who like the classic models snatch them up quickly via the convenient button link they put in the email.

Grimstonefire wrote:Imo combining the two jetbike kits would make each of them worse than if they were done separately.

Throwing everything into one kit might not be too clever, but having a core jetbike sprue, the having one sprue with dark eldar details and another with craftworld would show a definite technological link between the races, while emphasising their ideological differences.

Think of how the Chimera base sprue is used in hellhounds/deathsrikes, etc, or the defiler and soul grinder kits.

Probably save a bit of money, too (for GW, not for you).

But if they sold that as one box then that means you would be buying a load of plastic you wouldn't actually use, meaning it would be more expensive for you.

I can see the Talos staying metal, unless it gets quite a substantial buff, and is a larger model. More defiler sized. Also they need to determine more whether it's an MC or a vehicle. Not have some kind of hybrid that doesn't do the job of either.

Oshova

Grimstonefire wrote:Imo combining the two jetbike kits would make each of them worse than if they were done separately.

I agree with Leggy: A common sprue of 5 jetbike cores with a second army-specific sprue of riders, weapons, and fairings would be easily doable and save GW some tooling costs.

I hope the warriors have options to take the splinter carbine instead of the splinter rifle. I don't see the usefulness of a rapid fire weapon on a unit that will probably be assaulting. Aren't DE the assaulty Eldar after all?

But the DE aren't on the shelves, so no pulling is needed.

In the US that is. Though they went GW Direct in the US years ago, I've been told repeatedly that did not happen in non-US markets.

Noisy_Marine wrote:I hope the warriors have options to take the splinter carbine instead of the splinter rifle. I don't see the usefulness of a rapid fire weapon on a unit that will probably be assaulting. Aren't DE the assaulty Eldar after all?

Well, that depends upon who's on the receiving end of the assualt. DE warriors will assault, say, guardsmen, other Eldar, or the last three members of a Marine squad and do fine. But full-strength Orks or Marines? Not a good idea. But a weapon with 3 shots all the time at 18" range? Hell yeah they would always take that, unless it's a very expensive upgrade. Carbines would be better for point-defense in lance-spam lists, better for drive-bys, etc.

Gotta say, as a vanilla Eldar player I'm both encouraged and jealous to see the DE weapons becoming more effective. The splinter carbine is a particularly nice addition, really suits their tactical role. But it sure makes the old Guardian shuriken catapult (and even the Avenger one, for that matter) look outdated.

So the weapons look great... but what's the pricetag? Any guesses what the points-cost of a Dildar (you heard it here first, folks!) warrior with carbine would be?

What about Haemies?

I dont think the carbine out performs the shuriken catapult... the SC is still better against toughness three and has an AP role.

Is there any ideas on what the Slaughterer is? (ie: armaments, how it differs from the Ravager)

oni wrote:How in the hell is GW keeping such good wraps on the DE? I would have thought we'd have some pictures by now.

That fluff, if true, is extremely bad.

I'm going to guess that they've got it under such good wraps is because of one of two things:

1) no one really cares.
2) they really don't have much of anything to keep under wraps.

I still have my $10 bet on "schadenfreude".

Acording to the rumours posted by Kroothawk @OP there will be about 3 waves of releases (November, 1.5 wave and 2nd wave). If that's true -and I guess it is, because it's very usual- I think that the old models will not be discontinued until a new equivalent is hitting the stores. For example, Scourges. We haven't heard much about them, so we can guess they will be released in the latter waves. I think GW is smart enough to do cool enough rules to make the unit worthy so they can publish the codex and still sell the old fugly models for some months (or a year or whenever the reinforcement waves take place).

So: I think that after UKGD, the only discontinued items will be those who will have a new version in November. And I can imagine the photos in the codex showing the first wave models sharing battlefield with some of the old models. As we have seen in many codex before. Since we have been told that the full range has been redesigned, I might be totally wrong. But... it's GW, anything can happen.

Cheers!

del'Vhar wrote:Is there any ideas on what the Slaughterer is? (ie: armaments, how it differs from the Ravager)

Maybe an anti-light-infantry version?

Question about grotesques- I never played DEldar but a good friend of mine did back in 3rd edition. He didn't seem to like the grotesques because they were too slow in his opinion. Is that the general opinion these days? Could grotesques be something that would not be missed if they didn't make the new version?