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Retribution wrote:

Melissia wrote:The Tau appear to resist temptation through the Ethereals-- there's actually hints that Farsight might be leaning towards becoming Khornate.

Waaat?

Farisght is warlike. Which suits the Fire Caste. Based on this logic every army general in existence is leaning towards worship of Khorne. While this may be true in some sense (the Gods cares not from where the blood flows so long as it does etc) I doubt very much that they are erecting shrines or any such nonsense.

Yea i know Farsight is warlike...being a big-bad general in 40k after-all, but i'd like to see any specific fluff that points toward khorne worship, in particular

Retribution wrote:Yea i know Farsight is warlike...being a big-bad general in 40k after-all, but i'd like to see any specific fluff that points toward khorne worship, in particular

This isn't proof, but it is an idea. What about the Dawn Blade he carries? There has been speculation that it could be a Daemon weapon. IF the Dawn Blade is a weapon of Chaos, and considering Farsight always uses it in battle, it could potentially be corrupting him to the worship of Khorne.

Just my idea

It can also be of Eldar or Necron origin, and even if it is a Daemon weapon it doesn't point us at khorne in particular

No, but think about him a bit more: he has an extremely aggressive and warlike nature, favoring close combat despite being of a race that does not excel in it.

This certainly sounds Khornate to me. It is not as if he is a human, Eldar, or Astartes, whom are all more balanced between close combat and assault. He is a Tau. WIth the exception of Farsight's little band, the Tau see close combat as extremely undesirable.

Melissia wrote:No, but think about him a bit more: he has an extremely aggressive and warlike nature, favoring close combat despite being of a race that does not excel in it.

This certainly sounds Khornate to me. It is not as if he is a human, Eldar, or Astartes, whom are all more balanced between close combat and assault. He is a Tau. WIth the exception of Farsight's little band, the Tau see close combat as extremely undesirable.

HE favours close combat becuase HE is actually damn good at it for a Tau Commander. It's not like he has all his firewarrior squads drop their rail guns and charge the enemy with bamboo sticks and harsh words. He doesn't display a mindless brutality in search of more and more opponents to kill, he demonstrates an aggressive approach to war. It doesn't make him a follower of Khorne.

EDIT: Oops, I don't think firewarriors come with Rail Guns.

Emperors Faithful wrote:
EDIT: Oops, I don't think firewarriors come with Rail Guns.

If they did...I would be a very sad panda.

Farsight sees close combat as a necessary element of fighting from his experience with the orks, and yes, after acquiring the dawn-blade he's pretty good at CQC; it does kill no-matter what, right? But, the Farsight Enclaves still fight like tau, you don't see any of them running around with chain-axes and chanting "blood for the blood god"

Not to be rude but I think you're grasping at straws in trying to reason your idea. Just because he is adept at close combat dosen't mean he worships Khorne, Aun'shi is (or was I think he's dead) a master of the Honour Blade. He, his bodyguard and a small group of Earth Caste miners held off an entire horde of Orks with Aun'shi fighting in the thick of it and he didn't have the benifit of a battlesuit and a mysterious blade. This means that for a Tau he's a cc god so to speak, dosen't mean he worships Khorne.

Tau aren't neccessarily bad at CC. They aren't particulary strong but they can learn to use skill and specialised weapons. The reason they don't use CC is becuase they see it as brutal and savage. Farsight changed his style because he saw that sometimes CC may be the only option so it would help to have some combat training. Finding the Dawn Blade gave farsight the ability to become good at CC.

Khorne worship mutates the body and farsight wouldn't be able to handle the mutations hence he would die.

lol this sounds like my army "the shadow tau"

It's not my theory dude, I'm just playing devil's advocate *facepalm*

As for what Farsight is, I'm not entirely sure myself. But given his attributes, I definitely think he, of all the Tau Empire, is the closest to any form of chaos worship given his separatist movement and the peculiar mindset he and his Tau have due to not being near an Ethereal for an extended period. That and the fact that he's supposedly lived for three centuries despite Tau being a remarkably short lived race...

The Inquisition reported that the planet that he obtained his Dawn Blade from was once ruled by Chaos Space Marines before being cleansed by the Scythes of the Emperor chapter, leading a bit of credence to the connection.

For now, GW obviously wants to keep the reason behind any of this a secret. Certainly, the Dawn Blade LOOKS like it could have been a CSM weapon on pure size alone. Farsight can't even hold it properly outside of his armor. I doubt a human could either.

Is that a slaansh symbol on the dawn blade in Melissia'a pic?

I dont' think so. The upward pointing crescent is not an uncommon symbol in 40k. Necrons also use it on top of their symbol.

I've always thought the "Dawn Blade" looked more like a wraith-sword than anything else

And personally I believe that it is an Old One artifact. But none of this really helps the OP in creating his Tau now does it

Melissia wrote:It's not my theory dude, I'm just playing devil's advocate *facepalm*

As for what Farsight is, I'm not entirely sure myself. But given his attributes, I definitely think he, of all the Tau Empire, is the closest to any form of chaos worship given his separatist movement and the peculiar mindset he and his Tau have due to not being near an Ethereal for an extended period. That and the fact that he's supposedly lived for three centuries despite Tau being a remarkably short lived race...

The Inquisition reported that the planet that he obtained his Dawn Blade from was once ruled by Chaos Space Marines before being cleansed by the Scythes of the Emperor chapter, leading a bit of credence to the connection.

For now, GW obviously wants to keep the reason behind any of this a secret. Certainly, the Dawn Blade LOOKS like it could have been a CSM weapon on pure size alone. Farsight can't even hold it properly outside of his armor. I doubt a human could either.

I sense the taint of Chaos in the Farsight Enclaves!


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But wait! I just read about Farsight and the Dawn Blade (thank you, almighty Lexicanum.com) and it said something about the blade being potentially related to the c'tan.

I think Farsight has a C'tan phase blade

As they are very non-Psychic, they have little if no temptations concerning chaos, and the Ethereals and the power of the greater good holds them back.

Wait, I think it was either the WH or DH codex that had scenarios for facing Tau. You could use those for inspiration perhaps?

It's DH. They have scenarios for EVERYTHING!!!

Emperors Faithful wrote:Wait, I think it was either the WH or DH codex that had scenarios for facing Tau. You could use those for inspiration perhaps?

Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:It's DH. They have scenarios for EVERYTHING!!!

Almost, even Daemon Hunter have no scenario of corrupted Tau, because Inquisition knows those don't exist.

Do you mean turn to Chaos or turn away from the Greater Good?

Any Tau has the potential to turn away from the Greater Good, since it is the influence of the Ethereals which help keep him on the correct path.

The influence of Chaos seems to be much less, owing to the Tau's very strong focus in the Warp.


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It would seem reasonable that if Tau were susceptible to Chaotic influence, there would have been some signs of it by now, however the Medusa V campaign's revelation of Chaos seems to have come as a great surprise to them.

Thus, given that fluff has them not susceptible to Chaos, and also unaware of the existence of Chaos, it appears that they are relatively immune to Chaos.

Of course it could merely be that Chaos has bigger fish to fry.

I thought it would take too much energy for a daemon to take a Tau and even if they do what good would it be. Anyway Chaos' main target at the moment is the Emperor.

Kroothawk wrote:

Emperors Faithful wrote:Wait, I think it was either the WH or DH codex that had scenarios for facing Tau. You could use those for inspiration perhaps?

Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:It's DH. They have scenarios for EVERYTHING!!!

Almost, even Daemon Hunter have no scenario of corrupted Tau, because Inquisition knows those don't exist.

Sorry but this is wrong. The Daemonhunters do in fact have scenarios for Tau, in fact they have 5 of them located on the top right corner of page 53. Although admitidly none of them actually involve the Tau turning to Chaos, instead they focus on the Taus ingorance in terms of the nature of Chaos.

you don't need chaos to turn bad in the 40,000 universe, two ideas would be:

1. a group of tau explorers and fire caste escort find a near perfect planet, no humaniod life (or tyranid), they land, set up shop then it all changes slowely starting with the ethereals they are taken over by brain bugs/Goa'uld/other alien puppet masters

2. the same group find a cybernetic cube/artificial conscious that offers them the perfect way to achieve unity (ala borg), unifying them into a gestalt mind. one mind 10,000 bodies




edit: also a warp storm cutting them off, leading them to a pirate life would work

Another argument against farsight turning to khorne is that he hasn't gone insane. He hasn't attacked any tau worlds, even the ones ruled by the ethereals, he just stopped talking to them and the ethereals have done the same. It also makes sense for farsight to favor close combat since he now has a giant sword.


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He also has a shield, which isn't in khorne's nature.

Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:

Emperors Faithful wrote:Wait, I think it was either the WH or DH codex that had scenarios for facing Tau. You could use those for inspiration perhaps?

Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:It's DH. They have scenarios for EVERYTHING!!!

Almost, even Daemon Hunter have no scenario of corrupted Tau, because Inquisition knows those don't exist.

Sorry but this is wrong. The Daemonhunters do in fact have scenarios for Tau, in fact they have 5 of them located on the top right corner of page 53. Although admittedly none of them actually involve the Tau turning to Chaos, instead they focus on the Taus ignorance in terms of the nature of Chaos.

Which is kind of Kroothawk's point.

There's nothing for "possessed" Tau. There's only things like the Tau harboring a Daemonically possessed Psyker without knowing who/what he is, the Tau disrupting a great big ol' hexagrammic ward containing a Daemonic entity thinking it's some kind of primitive decoration used to keep the locals in line, etc.

"Codex Daemonhunters doesn't have any scenario of corrupted Tau."
"Wrong, the Codex has scenarios, just not of corrupted Tau."
Yes Kanluwen, you got my point right.
Tau threads always feature warped logic like this, and they have a 2+ invulnerable save against official background facts

@kroothawk:

So full of win.

So many people think that chaos is always the caise of rebels, lots of imperial worlds have rebelled just cos they don't like taxes, eldar have pirates (not dark eldar, they just like the freedom).

Some tau might just think they have a better way of serving the greater good.