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Towering Hierophant Bio-Titan





Fareham

Trygon, he is a buisness.
Not only that, but he runs a fething brilliant one at that as he makes what people want made, rather than throwing out a random kit and promoting it to death.

So he charges a bit more than most for alot of computer work, whats the issue here?
If you know how to use CAD then fine, make your own by all means.
But for those of us who cant use it, he is the best way to go.

The price may not be much for time and materials, but how long would it take your average person to make something like that?




Love most of his stuff and the quality is great.
Cant pick faults with any of his work.
Except of course when the odd person comes onto dakka trying to pass off a scibor sculpt as thier own work

   
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How he does it - doesnt' matter.

The fact is - you could only get those models from him whether mass produced or not =/

heh.

In they end while the 'parts' were mass produced if true - the poses and extra details were never the same to thus then create 'unique' generals for an army.



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terribletrygon wrote:
cygnnus wrote:
nvillacci wrote:
MajorTom11 wrote:
Personally I think Scibor should put out a sculpting DVD or download, he uses a few tricks better than anyone else!


Not to rain on anyones parade, but the majority of Scibors current are for the most part Computer Aided Designs. I'm not putting the bits down or anything, but to call them sculpted would be a mistake.




So? I never understood why people were hung up on that one. Who freakin' cares. If the models are good, then does it really matter if someone pushed around kneadatite with a tool or pushed electrons with a mouse?

Valete,

JohnS


Cool your jets son.

I think he was pointing out that asking Scibor for a sculpting DVD for the the work in this thread would be futile.


QFT, it is funny how some people refuse to actually read what others post. You would think I had said there was no such thing as Santa Clause or insulted their moms..

My point was this and ONLY this: someone was wishing that Scibor would put a DVD out showing how to sculpt (and referring to the new stuff that was put out recently), that would be pretty hard to do since alot of that work was done in CAD..

Jeesh people.

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Calgary, Alberta, Canada

Just an FYI, it's not super classy to constantly pop in to threads about other niche bitz/model manufacturers and make snide remarks about them.
You might consider the "let my product speak for itself" route instead of whatever it is you think you're doing at the moment.
   
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plastictrees wrote:Just an FYI, it's not super classy to constantly pop in to threads about other niche bitz/model manufacturers and make snide remarks about them.
You might consider the "let my product speak for itself" route instead of whatever it is you think you're doing at the moment.


Please show me a snide remark. All I was doing was letting that person know that Scibor has been using more CAD lately (especially on these items) then he used to. Many are total green sculpts, but these are not (there is some sculpted additions, like the skulls, but a good portion are CAD print ups)

If you want to get personal and shut down this thread, well, you are doing a great job on it.

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Acolyte of Goodwin






Sunny SoCal

To all those who think Scibor is a 'cheap' sculptor taking the easy way out -

Let me get this straight -

Scibor is a dirty cheat because he sells expensive minis people like enough to buy, and he does it by slapping his stuff on to an existing model, and he does so in a reproducable fashion...

What are you annoyed at, the fact he figured out an easy way to produce high quality pieces there is a demand for??? I'll tell you what, where I come from it's called good business lol.


Saying it's 'easy' to produce is something only an ignorant person would say. It may be 'easy' for him, but it's easy because:

A: He's talented.
B: He has a reasonably unique style
C: He has practiced his craft and innovated
D: He had the gumption to put the first 3 together and make business out of it.
E: He had the stones to try anything from B on, most people don't.

It's called expertise, you are born with a little bit, you earn everything else with time, blood and sweat. You pay a lot for expertise, it's the reason someone gets payed a lot more than some kid who just started. Because they know what Ithey're doing, they have the experience to avoid mistakes, to deliver what they promise, to handle a client, to strategize long term, to pull off just about anything a client would ask for with style, competence and quality in as easy a way as possible. Expertise is insurance against disappointment, to most people, it's worth quite a bit.

You try doing what he did, you learn CAD, you learn sculpting and press molding, not just to do it, but to do it well! Then you design a style that has good appeal aesthetics, and apply it to a popular market with holes in it's offerings. THEN you put together a business, website with e-commerce, shipping process and all the other work it takes to get said mini into my hands. THEN convince tons of other people to buy said plastic terminator with some easy armor slapped on for 100+ bucks.

Then tell me it's easy. I dare you.

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MajorTom11 wrote:To all those who think Scibor is a 'cheap' sculptor taking the easy way out -

Let me get this straight -

Scibor is a dirty cheat because he sells expensive minis people like enough to buy, and he does it by slapping his stuff on to an existing model, and he does so in a reproducable fashion...

What are you annoyed at, the fact he figured out an easy way to produce high quality pieces there is a demand for??? I'll tell you what, where I come from it's called good business lol.


Saying it's 'easy' to produce is something only an ignorant person would say. It may be 'easy' for him, but it's easy because:

A: He's talented.
B: He has a reasonably unique style
C: He has practiced his craft and innovated
D: He had the gumption to put the first 3 together and make business out of it.
E: He had the stones to try anything from B on, most people don't.

It's called expertise, you are born with a little bit, you earn everything else with time, blood and sweat. You pay a lot for expertise, it's the reason someone gets payed a lot more than some kid who just started. Because they know what Ithey're doing, they have the experience to avoid mistakes, to deliver what they promise, to handle a client, to strategize long term, to pull off just about anything a client would ask for with style, competence and quality in as easy a way as possible. Expertise is insurance against disappointment, to most people, it's worth quite a bit.

You try doing what he did, you learn CAD, you learn sculpting and press molding, not just to do it, but to do it well! Then you design a style that has good appeal aesthetics, and apply it to a popular market with holes in it's offerings. THEN you put together a business, website with e-commerce, shipping process and all the other work it takes to get said mini into my hands. THEN convince tons of other people to buy said plastic terminator with some easy armor slapped on for 100+ bucks.

Then tell me it's easy. I dare you.


Tom I hope that wasnt directed at me, I dont believe I said anything bad about Scibor... There are many who do think what you wrote, but I have never said or thought any of that.
   
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No not neccesarily, just a general statement on the skill involved to achieve his results, to anyone who insinuates that it is a cop out or easy method anyone with a computer could do lol.

Let's face it, if it were so easy, we wouldnt need Scibor, we could just fire up the old PC and click a few buttons!

I own a digital media business, statements like that drive me up the wall with how baseless and petty they are, most people don't even have the barest clue as to what is involve yet some feel entitled to put a value on it based on nothing but their own jaded outlook.

   
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Are you all certain Scibor uses CAD? I've always thought he hand-sculpts negative molds to "stamp" patterns onto Green Stuff.

This is especially noticeable on his CMON galleries:
http://coolminiornot.com/144969
http://coolminiornot.com/157451

I saw a guide on doing this a while back, and considering Scibor uses greens, I doubt CAD is involved.

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I have personally not, I always thought he was pressmolded a lot (although you can't deny since he created the mold, that's still pretty cool). He also regular sculpts a great deal too. The CAD thing is news to me, but is also neither here nor there as to the end result, so more power to him!

   
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From what I have heard and seen (I have seen some proof he does CAD), he does employ it.

Regardless my company does as well. Some things tend to be better off in CAD.

I personally am not very keen on pressmolding though.

 
   
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Washington DC metro area.

Either way, the end result is fairly nice.

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Oldgrue wrote:Either way, the end result is fairly nice.



Indeed, if it works then..well....

..if we can, you know, simmer down a little, please give other posters the benefit of the doubt with regards to intention please. ta.

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I own a number of Scibor pieces (the Menials and Servants in the robes and whanot). They're all perfectly good models, very functional, great sculpts, and work well in a lot of situations (40K RPG players take note!).

I don't care how he makes them - they look great.

   
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Technology will always be progressing , even for miniatures and gaming.

Why call scribor foul?

You can easily call GW foul for having factory produced miniatures instead of sculpting them INDIVIDUALLY , if you must.

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The shoulderpads fit perfectly on terminators, in my experience. I don't have a pic, but i've fitted them nicely on some termi arms. They normally require a bit of fiddling, but nothing out of the question.

If I could put a request to Scibor, it would be making some "smaller" shoulder pads too, to put on some of the regular-sized space knights.

Lion ones.

   
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Kroothawk wrote:May I remind you that this is a news & rumour thread? I don't want to get another of my news&rumour threads shot down by off topic flaming. Please post your own thread in general discussion, if you want to continue discussing this. Thank you.


Indeed... poor Kroot it always happens... I regret my defense of the guy caused further debate on things not about the model, though I do not regret the act of defending him in and of itself if you take my meaning.

Unfortunately, basically any thread involving a new realease from any company will eventually result in a debate about the company, not the release these days :S

That being said -

For me the shoulder pads are becoming too elaborate to happily sit on a contrastingly plain terminator. I really think he would benefit from complementing certain releases with greaves and other touches to be spread out across a given model.

   
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Fareham

I have to agree with you there tom on the last part.

A full set of armour plates or the likes would go down well.
A simple kit including a set of greaves, shoulder pads and a chest plate would be great, otherwise you end up with a plain model with stunning shoulders

   
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^That is a really good point. I was thinking the other day that my assault termies are going to have AWESOME shoulders, and fairly plain everything-elses.

Hmm, what to do? I'm thinking of buying some Moscals from him to man my Hellcannon too. Man I love that Scibor! I bought a dwarf for my next DnD campaign too.

Stop the hatin' - if he's digitally sculpting (which I see no evidence of anyway), that's at least as hard as traditional sculpting. Check out Mudbox or Zbrush for examples of this. T'ain't easy, let me tell you.

   
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Fareham

Tek: There is a press mould tutorial on his site.
So it wouldnt be too hard to make your own greaves and chest plates, or any other armour for that matter.

About the most work from it would be carving off all emblems from the chest, knees etc so that the GS would fit flush on it.

   
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I have not had much success trying the technique out, GS is always too sticky, I don't know how to manipulate it onto the model, how long it should wait to dry if at all or anything else. His tutorials are cool, but not detailed enough for me to clearly understand all the steps missed between pics.

That being said, I would really like to see someone elses successful, CLEAN pressmolded stuff! I have not really ever seen someone manage the amount of detail and sizes he works at while still being super sharp and clean, they always get mashed up to one degree or other.'

OT - If you can do that, you can do the shoulders too, in which case you probably wouldnt be interested in buying any of it, which leaves the rest of us who are still interested in purchasing Scibor style armor add-ons other than shoulders

   
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Today, Scibor released a set of 5 "Celtic Armours" (torso and legs) for 25$:


http://sciborminiatures.com/en_,shop.php?art=960

Each armour is also available separately for 6$ each ( http://sciborminiatures.com/en_,shop.php?group=72 ), 3 complete Celtic Warriors for 15$ each ( http://sciborminiatures.com/en_,shop.php?group=70 ).

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Nice!

Quick - someone in the US get this guy's stuff in stock!

   
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Fareham

Looking at the size and shape of those i'd assume they would be true-scale power armour.
I may have to make a unit of wolf guard now.

This guy is great, but my wallet fething hates him

Order time-wise, not too sure how quick it will be, but i might have to grab those 5, some celtic shields and a few other bits

   
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NC

Alpharius wrote:Nice!

Quick - someone in the US get this guy's stuff in stock!
Warpath Games is a US Distributor that deals in Scibor's stuff. I've asked my FLGS to order me stuff from them before.
   
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Montreal, Quebec

Now he only needs to make more to fit everyone's terminators needs.

 
   
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Some "Egiptian-themed" Terminator-sized bodies would be a big seller for me...

Valete,

JohnS

Valete,

JohnS

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Would still prefer armor add-ons for generic space men (ahem GW termies) lol

   
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Hmm... I see great Wolfguard coming from those models! Glad I have a full painting table and an empty wallet ATM.

My only Scibor related beef is how every single painted model just absofreakinlutely has to have gold NMM armor on it. Really, branch ou a little!

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