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Whoa there. Not all Beserkers are World Eaters but all World Eaters are Beserkers.

That was hardly a reasonable response, Abaddon=Gargamel. But whatever. I think we've cleared up that question nicely. Good job, guys.

Well, the Night Lords worship chaos undivided and there numbers have been decreasing consistently over time.
One they usually destroy the progenoid gland if the previous marine succumbed to any one particular chaos god in particular, and those that didn't were used for future marines.
However their recruiting has dwindle in the past so their numbers don't get replenished as completely as other legions.
This is all that i gleaned from Soul Hunters book, so correct me if i am wrong.

Naw, that seems about right. I loved that book, incidentally. Obviously some legions are faring less well than others over the years.

They either get new marines from renegade chapters, or they are resurected when they die because the warp just spits them back out with some new mutations.(:

Battle_Brother_Bruening wrote:Well, the Night Lords worship chaos undivided and there numbers have been decreasing consistently over time.
One they usually destroy the progenoid gland if the previous marine succumbed to any one particular chaos god in particular, and those that didn't were used for future marines.
However their recruiting has dwindle in the past so their numbers don't get replenished as completely as other legions.
This is all that i gleaned from Soul Hunters book, so correct me if i am wrong.

Are you sure you read the book I did? You seem to have picked up ideas I didn't.
And made assumptions based on one company of the Night Lords.

Talos had open disdain for any who worshipped any aspect of Chaos. Its part of why he told off Abaddon. My favorite scene in the book, btw.
But he seemed to be the puritan exception in the book. He didn't worship Chaos in any aspect. He seemed a very pragmatic, if twisted individual.
All the other Marine characters seemed to accept Chaos on some level or other.

Well, from the reading i just assumed that the rest of the night lords were the same... based off of the fact of their intense devotion to Night Haunter. since their was no other direct interaction between the night lord companies except for the rescue... it seemed that the others are similiar in some respects....

and from the warhammer 40k wiki...

Night Lords tend not to use daemons in their armies, and indeed with the current game rules for the Chaos Marines cannot, with the exception of Furies, which are Daemons of Chaos Undivided who share the Night Lords' fondness for brutal murder and psychological warfare. Night Lords do not worship any individual power of Chaos, instead venerating the concept of Chaos Undivided, although this is disputed in recent material. Indeed, the Night Lords have a contempt for all of the Ruinous Powers, as well as weakness of any sort....However, as of the 41st Millennium, some Night Lords may be tainted by the touch of Chaos and have developed mutations, a fact that those so affected try to hide from their brethren, as the Night Lords are traditionally as disgusted by mutation as their Loyalist counterparts, seeing it as a form of weakness.

and from lexicanum...

The Night Lords tend not to use Daemons in their armies, although they have been known to work alongside Furies, Daemons of Chaos Undivided who are often enslaved by Raptor Cults.6 Night Lords do not worship a specific power of Chaos, instead following the concept of Chaos Undivided. This makes them exceptionally versatile in their use of the Ruinous Powers and they are likely to fight alongside followers of any of the Chaos Gods. The Night Lords rarely associate themselves with a particular God over a long period of time. In fact, they scorn faith in all its forms, be it allied Chaos forces or devotees to the imperial creed.

The criminal elements that were once recruited into the Legion's ranks have left them bereft of any martial creed or concept of honour. They are cynical, hard-bitten warriors who fight for no higher cause than the joy of fighting and the material rewards it can bring.

now i am not saying this is cannon but this is what i have learned from my readings

Where can I get that soul hunters book? I feel like everyone else has read except me and I PLAY NIGHT LORDS, I checked at boarders and they never have it.

GW or Amazon.

They can recruit...

At Gorskar: You are completely right. There was absolutely no reasoning there. However, how else would they be so badass?

Didn't the imperium use Gene acceleration, until there was a fault, the heresy started, and now the marines take thier time, while chaos still use it?

I think that one marine give two progneoids,that's why a company of(can't remember which chapter) sacrificied itself by activating plasma reactors of a Ramilles Star Fort during the 13th Black Crusade,here's my theory.
Apply that to traitors,coupled with Dark Mechanicum and you've got a source of gene-seed.

Abbadon=Gargamel is clearly the wisest of all contributors.

Gorskar.da.Lost wrote:The ranks of the CSM are being constantly filled with new renegades from all over the place. As a result, they can keep up to strength, generally speaking.
In addition, at least 2 legions have been proven to be able to increase their ranks in the same way as regular marines, by implanting the progenoids into adolescent males (usually kidnapped, incidentally) and "hot-housing" them to Marine standards.

Hope that helped.

Yeah, this. The Legions are VERY elitist, and this results in a very small group, obviously. They refuse to accept anyone as one of their legion unless they were alive in the heresy (IW and WB come to mind). There are ways for a fallen CSM to get into a new body, possibly into the body of one of those inducted members. The word bearers have quite a large number of marines (Probably still over 20,000, 10k years after the heresy), and I can imagine they have entire companies of renegade astartes at their disposal.

Renegades, however are much less selective. Basically taking whoever they can get, I'm sure they'd be more than happy with rebel PDF troops, xenos, mutants, whatever.


In a way, The legions are much better off than the renegades. They have entire forgeworlds at their disposal, while the renegades have to steal to get EVERYTHING they have. The legions can take what they want, but they don't NEED it to survive.

Don't they take recruits from other chapters and use them in the traitor legions? I know they wouldn't be part of that legion.

inquisitoredd142 wrote:Don't they take recruits from other chapters and use them in the traitor legions? I know they wouldn't be part of that legion.

Huh? Do you mean renegade chapters?

There is a refrence in the CSM codex to Huron Blackheart raiding a spacemarine homeworld to steal gene seed. So maby they do that from time to time.

Chaos Space Marines can also replenish their ranks by capturing loyalist marines, breaking their imperial programming and reprogramming them into Chaos Marines. Lord Zhufor was once a Sergeant in the Strom Lords Chapter before he was captured by the World Eaters and reprogrammed into a Berserker (and now he is the leader or the Skulltakers warband).

I think the morale of the story is that anyone can become a pawn of chaos and there will always be an ample amount of pawns of chaos.

Yes. Which is good.

Except grey knights, anyone else will fall

candy.man wrote:Chaos Space Marines can also replenish their ranks by capturing loyalist marines, breaking their imperial programming and reprogramming them into Chaos Marines. Lord Zhufor was once a Sergeant in the Strom Lords Chapter before he was captured by the World Eaters and reprogrammed into a Berserker (and now he is the leader or the Skulltakers warband).

I think the morale of the story is that anyone can become a pawn of chaos and there will always be an ample amount of pawns of chaos.

This theory works the best for me, it is not unheard of either. Just because it was the Primarchs that started it during the Horus Heresy does not stop smaller groups from turning their back to the Emperor in favour of Chaos.