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Lol. i found the missing points! forgot to take the points off the shield gen when it got replaced by the multi-tracker.

Gdgd. So looking forward to your first match? When ever you have it.

yup. Proxy armys are good for trying out new things

HQ
Shas'o with PR,MP,multi, Stim,HW drone con with 2 shield drones. (167)

Are the stims a hard point?, also I'd drop a drone to a gun drone to save points. As a commander he's expensive

Troops
1 5 man unit with pulse rifles and 1 6 man unit with pulse rifles
Shas'ui have bonding knife (160)
both have fish with BC,gun drones,Targeting,Disruption and multi-trackers (100 each)

minimum 6 man unit in tau I think, don't give your devil fish targeting arrays as it's fairy pointless. The fast vehicle upgrade couldbe useful if you intend on whizzing your troops about but then the flat out and disruption field overlap..

Elites
1 unit of 3 fireknifes with multi trackers (HW for Shar'vre)
team leader also has Targeting array and bonding knife (216)

1 unit of 2 Hellblades (PR,F and multi)
Team leader also has a shield drone and bonding knife (133)

You could have two units of 2, and a unit of 1 - possibly targeting array, fusion blaster and missile pod and keep him for deep striking

Quick attack
Pathfinder team of 4, all with markerlights and carbines (63)
They have devilfish with BC,Smarts,Multi,Disruption, Marker beacon thing (115)

the multi's good here as your scout move can be 18"

HS
Hammerhead with railgun, Smarts, Targeting, Multi and disruption (175)

three man Broadside team with Railguns,Smarts.
Shas,ui have target locks. Team leader has Targeting array, bonding knife, HW drone con with two shields (270)

You could split this into a team of 1 and a team of 2. The targeting array isn't super when you're twin linked.

total of 1499

HQ
Shas'o with PR,MP,multi, Stim,HW drone con with 2 shield drones. (167)

Are the stims a hard point?, also I'd drop a drone to a gun drone to save points. As a commander he's expensive

Stimulant Injectors do not require a hardpoint. They're Wargear not Weaponry.
As a Commander, he is expensive. At 1500, you can really get away with just a Shas'el with Targeting Array and still use the same loadout you currently do. Problem is you lose -1 WS, I, A LD, and W which in my opinion aren't too bad to lose since a Lascannon drops a Shas'el as fast as a Shas'O. That, and all Tau players care about is the BS. But, since you have a Stimulant Injector, the Wound might matter to you.

Shas'el - Plasma Rifle, Missile Pod, Targeting Array, Hard-wired Multi-Tracker, Stimulant Injector, Hard-wired Drone Controller, 2 Shield Drones - 137 (-30)

Troops
1 5 man unit with pulse rifles and 1 6 man unit with pulse rifles
Shas'ui have bonding knife (160)
both have fish with BC,gun drones,Targeting,Disruption and multi-trackers (100 each)

minimum 6 man unit in tau I think, don't give your devil fish targeting arrays as it's fairy pointless. The fast vehicle upgrade couldbe useful if you intend on whizzing your troops about but then the flat out and disruption field overlap..

Phototoxin is quite correct on several points. Fire Warrior squads are 6 at minimum. No getting around it. Also, Targeting Arrays aren't that necessary on a Gun Droned Devilfish because only one thing (the tank) is affected by the Array. The Drones still use BS2. Unfortunately, Multi-Trackers only count as shooting as a Fast vehicle, they don't become Fast. So, the Disruption Pods are quite necessary.

Also, not to be picky. But you don't need to bond your Fire Warrior squads. Since they'll be transported everywhere they go, they'll take few Leadership tests. Even when they get in a situation to use their Leadership, you most likely have lost the Fish and have been shot at. Shooting = Dead Fire Warriors. But if you feel you need the safety blanket (I know the Fire Warriors do), then keep them on.

Fire Warrior Squad - 5 Shas'la with 1 Shas'ui and Bonding Knife X2 - 75 X2 = 150 (-10)
Devilfish - Burst Cannon, Smart Missile System, Multi-Tracker, Disruption Pod, Targeting Array - 120 x1 = 120 (-80)

Elites
1 unit of 3 fireknifes with multi trackers (HW for Shar'vre)
team leader also has Targeting array and bonding knife (216)

1 unit of 2 Hellblades (PR,F and multi)
Team leader also has a shield drone and bonding knife (133)

You could have two units of 2, and a unit of 1 - possibly targeting array, fusion blaster and missile pod and keep him for deep striking

This is an interesting loadout for a Crisis suit. I myself don't like Deep Striking Crisis suits. First off, a suit that's not on the field, simply isn't shooting. And if it's not shooting, it's not gonna help. I'd rather take 4 turns of consistent shooting than one turn of "SUP! Flame!". But, since you have the Marker Beacon on your Pathfinder Devilfish, you could try it out. I just have a slight change on these.

Crisis Battlesuit Squad (3) - Plasma Rifle, Missile Pod, Multi-Tracker / Team Leader - Targeting Array, Hard-wired Multi-Tracker, Bonding Knife - 211 (-5)

Crisis Battlesuit Squad (2) - Plasma Rifle, Flamer, Multi-Tracker - 108 (-25)

Quick Note: You ALMOST NEVER need to upgrade to a Shas'vre. The only reason to do so is to take Special-Issue Wargear. Since you're not, the Team Leader upgrade is fine plus it costs 5 points less. Second, if you are going to Deep Strike your "Hellblade" suits, don't give them a Shield or Bonding. They're gonna die. When you Deep Strike a suit squad, you're essentially saying, "Oh, I'm gonna do some damage. But, if anything survives with a Power-anything, they will get taken down. The second reason why I don't do it.

Quick attack
Pathfinder team of 4, all with markerlights and carbines (63)
They have devilfish with BC,Smarts,Multi,Disruption, Marker beacon thing (115)

the multi's good here as your scout move can be 18"

Again, discussed before, no such tomfoolery. With the points saved elsewere, you can buy more Pathfinders. More Pathfinders = more Markerlights = Better BS = Dead Stuff. Also, since Pathfinders are a static unit, they don't need their Devilfish. But your Fire Warrior squad does. So deploy your Pathfinders in cover then deploy their Devilfish right next to the Fire Warrior team. Reason being that on turn one, they get in. They're protected. That, and you don't need to pay for another Devilfish.

Pathfinder squad - Shas'la x8 - 96 (+33)
Devilfish - Burst Cannon, Smart Missile System, Multi-Tracker, Disruption Pod, Targeting Array, Marker Beacon - 120 (+5)

When you give your Devilfish Smart Missiles, that's when you automatically write down Targeting Array and Multi-Tracker instinctively. Actually, when you write the word Devilfish, you should immediately write Disruption Pod. A combination of the two results in the most shooty Transport we can dish out. Also the most expensive.

HS
Hammerhead with railgun, Smarts, Targeting, Multi and disruption (175)

three man Broadside team with Railguns,Smarts.
Shas,ui have target locks. Team leader has Targeting array, bonding knife, HW drone con with two shields (270)

You could split this into a team of 1 and a team of 2. The targeting array isn't super when you're twin linked.

Targeting Array isn't really necessary. Although, if you never move your Broadsides, you COULD use it. I prefer the ability to Move and Fire with the Advanced Stabilization System. While facing AV 14 on a Battlewagon is fun and all, if I can move 6 inches to the right, I can hit AV 12 instead. I like that. Keep them together or don't. It's up to you. 3 dice together has a better choice of a good result then 2 dice then 1. Hammerhead is outfitted optimally. Very nice.

Hammerhead Gunship - Railgun, Smart Missile System, Targeting Array, Multi-Tracker, Disruption Pod - 175 (--)

Broadside Battlesuit Squad (3) - Twin-linked Railgun, Smart Missile System, Advanced Stabilization System / Team Leader - Advanced Stabilization System, Bonding Knife, Hard-Wired Drone Controller, 2 Shield Drones, Hard-wired Target Lock - 285 (+15)

Total - 1402

98 points left huh? Well, let's see. What I would do is buy more suits. I would change your Elites to this:
Crisis Battlesuit Squad (2) - Plasma Rifle, Missile Pod, Multi-Tracker - 124 (-112)

Crisis Battlesuit Squad (2) - Plasma Rifle, Missile Pod, Multi-Tracker - 124 (+124)

Crisis Battlesuit Squad (2) - Plasma Rifle, Flamer, Multi-Tracker - 108 (-25)

That gets you more suits and leaves you with 61 points. You could add more Fire Warriors or upgrade your suits again. Personally, I believe that 5th Edition has left us with a whole bunch of armies that are FAST. You need to just put something between you and them and let them kill it while you continue to shoot. Kroot are perfect for this. Have them defend your lines and never assault unless its Guard or Tau. Just let them run interference and get in the way. Then shoot stuff with your Suits and other stuff. Here's what I'd do:

Shas'el - Plasma Rifle, Missile Pod, Targeting Array, Hard-wired Multi-Tracker, Hard-wired Drone Controller, 2 Shield Drones - 127 (-30)

Kroot Carnivore Squad - Kroot x10 - 70 (+70)

That's what I'd do anyway. Happy fighting!

List to recap:
Shas'el - Plasma Rifle, Missile Pod, Targeting Array, Hard-wired Multi-Tracker, Hard-wired Drone Controller, 2 Shield Drones - 127
Crisis Battlesuit Squad (2) - Plasma Rifle, Missile Pod, Multi-Tracker - 124
Crisis Battlesuit Squad (2) - Plasma Rifle, Missile Pod, Multi-Tracker - 124
Crisis Battlesuit Squad (2) - Plasma Rifle, Flamer, Multi-Tracker - 108
Fire Warrior Squad - 5 Shas'la with 1 Shas'ui and Bonding Knife - 75 X2 = 150
Devilfish - Burst Cannon, Smart Missile System, Multi-Tracker, Disruption Pod, Targeting Array - 120
Kroot Carnivore Squad - Kroot x10 - 70
Pathfinder Squad - Shas'la x8 - 96
Devilfish - Burst Cannon, Smart Missile System, Multi-Tracker, Disruption Pod, Targeting Array, Marker Beacon - 120
Broadside Battlesuit Squad (3) - Twin-linked Railgun, Smart Missile System, Advanced Stabilization System / Team Leader - Advanced Stabilization System, Bonding Knife, Hard-Wired Drone Controller, 2 Shield Drones, Hard-wired Target Lock - 285
Hammerhead Gunship - Railgun, Smart Missile System, Targeting Array, Multi-Tracker, Disruption Pod - 175

TOTAL: 1499

Ledabot wrote:both have fish with BC,gun drones,Targeting,Disruption and multi-trackers

If you're going to upgrade with TA and MT, you may as well give it a better wep than the GunDs. SMS makes it a 7 die (move @ Combat Speed) gunboat. Either run your d'fish with just DisPod or the whole enchilada; SMS, TA, MT, DisPod.

Ledabot wrote:1 unit of 3 fireknifes with multi trackers (HW for Shar'vre)
Shar'vre also has Targeting array and bonding knife

I must have missed it in all the other posts; why do you still have the 'vre' upgrade when Team Leader does the same thing for less points? The 'vre upgrade has no impact in h2h.

Ledabot wrote:Pathfinder team of 4, all with markerlights and carbines (63)
They have devilfish with BC,Smarts,Multi,Disruption, Marker beacon thing

Think about it: BS 3 means that you'll probably get 2 MarkerLight hits per turn. That isn't much, considering you will want to increase BS by one or two, and then drop Cover Saves, so 4 to 5 MarkerLights are useful. Meaning, a full unit of Pathfinders is best.

Ledabot wrote:Shas,vre has Targeting array, bonding knife, HW drone con with two shields

Again, forget the 'vre' and just have the Team Leader upgrade.

He has downgraded all of his stuff to team leaders boys, He just hasnt put it up on his new list yet.

I was thinking of suggesting to him that he splits the Broadsides into 2 groups but then his team of 1 Broadside would be very vulnerable to open fire without being able to pass a super hard hit onto a shield drone. So I just decided it was best against it unless he could afford enough for a drone and bonding.


As for Pathfinders I could not tell him much about them as I have never used them.

ya sorry guys.
Syanticraven is right. most of the issuse above have been solved and discussed. I just havent had time to repost the list. Sorry.

Read the last few posts on pg 1

I wouldnt dismiss everything they said, some of them had some good stuff in there. Or other possible tactics to run with. (which you can use later if you dont like how your list runs now)

Sorry guys for my hastyness. First day back at school.
Heres the up to date list. If you can still se any changes that you think are importent, post away.

HQ
Shas'o with multi,PR,MP,stim,HW drone con with 2 shields (152)

Troops
2x 7 man squads. Shas'ui have bonding knifes (85 each)
Fishes have BCs,Gun drones,Disruption and multi (95 each)

Elites
XV8 team 1 with 3x fireknifes with multi's. (TL has HW multi). (216)
TL also has targeting and bonding knife

XV8 team 2, the team leader has PR,F,Shield,HW multi,Bonding knife,HW drone con with 1 shield
Shas'ui has PR,F and multi. (shas'vre costs 79, Shas,ui 54)

Quick attack

4 man Pathfinder team, all with Markerlight kit sep team leader which also has bonding knife (63)
there fish as BC,Smarts,Multi,Targeting) Disruption and that Marker beacon. (120)

HS
Hammerhead with railgun,smarts,targeting,multi,disruption and a seeker missile (185)

3 man broadside team with twin linked railguns,smarts,target locks. The team leader has a targeting replaceing the target lock, bonding knife and HW drone con with 2 shields. (120)

thats it totaling at 1499. The seeker was on a wim and will be replaced after i see what there like. I havent taken into account anything anybody has sent here, just updating the list. I will read your very apreceated advice soon. also, please rerun your comments through this list and if they are still valid can you please repost. Thanks.

Ledabot wrote:Sorry guys for my hastyness. First day back at school.
Heres the up to date list. If you can still se any changes that you think are importent, post away.

HQ
Shas'o with multi,PR,MP,stim,HW drone con with 2 shields (152)

Troops
2x 7 man squads. Shas'ui have bonding knifes (85 each)
Fishes have BCs,Gun drones,Disruption and multi (95 each)

Elites
XV8 team 1 with 3x fireknifes with multi's. (TL has HW multi). (216)
TL also has targeting and bonding knife

XV8 team 2, the shar'vre has PR,F,Shield,HW multi,Bonding knife,HW drone con with 1 shield
Shas'ui has PR,F and multi. (shas'vre costs 84, Shas,ui 54)

Quick attack

4 man Pathfinder team, all with Markerlight kit sep team leader which also has bonding knife (63)
there fish as BC,Smarts,Multi,Disruption and that Marker beacon. (115)

HS
Hammerhead with railgun,smarts,targeting,multi,disruption and a seeker missile (185)

3 man broadside team with twin linked railguns,smarts,target locks. The team leader has a targeting replaceing the target lock, bonding knife and HW drone con with 2 shields. (120)

thats it totaling at 1499. The seeker was on a wim and will be replaced after i see what there like. I havent taken into account anything anybody has sent here, just updating the list. I will read your very apreceated advice soon. also, please rerun your comments through this list and if they are still valid can you please repost. Thanks.

Best I can do for you now is lower the Team 2s shar'vre to team leader to save you 5 pts and remove the seeker missile. Either get a skyray or leave out the seekers.
Thats 15pts , on the second team also lose the shield (you already have a shield drone). that saves another 20pts, that gives you 35 pts to play with.
(that can net you 2 extra shield drones, 1 on each crisis unit)

If that does not sound worth it then go for downgrading your Shas'O commander to an 'El. To free up 25pts (trust me its worth it.)
Now If you do all they cuts you have 60 points to play with. That can be;

Put 1 shield drone on Team 1 and 1 extra shield drone onto Team 2 and re upgrade commander to 'O with 5 points left over.
2 Shield drones to Crisis Team 1 and a 2nd Shield Drone to Crisis Team 2 team. With 15 points left over.
1 extra Crisis suit in team 2 (that 3rd flamer will really help when marines get close and the 3 PR is just sauce)
3 SMS upgrades on the Fish. (This is a preference choice some people like gun drones better)
3 extra FW in each team. Or 1 new team of 6 FW.
4 Extra Pathfinders with 12 points left.

They are some options or anywhere between, For example I would personally advise 2 extra Pathfinders for 24 pts (36pts left) then using the remaining points to add 1 shield drone to each Crisis suit team. - that is if you do not pick the 1 extra crisis suit in team 2 option (having that 3rd suit will really help).

syanticraven wrote:

Best I can do for you now is lower the Team 2s shar'vre to team leader to save you 5 pts and remove the seeker missile. Either get a skyray or leave out the seekers.
Thats 15pts , on the second team also lose the shield (you already have a shield drone). that saves another 20pts, that gives you 35 pts to play with.
(that can net you 2 extra shield drones, 1 on each crisis unit)

If that does not sound worth it then go for downgrading your Shas'O commander to an 'El. To free up 25pts (trust me its worth it.)
Now If you do all they cuts you have 60 points to play with. That can be;

Put 1 shield drone on Team 1 and 1 extra shield drone onto Team 2 and re upgrade commander to 'O with 5 points left over.
2 Shield drones to Crisis Team 1 and a 2nd Shield Drone to Crisis Team 2 team. With 15 points left over.
1 extra Crisis suit in team 2 (that 3rd flamer will really help when marines get close and the 3 PR is just sauce)
3 SMS upgrades on the Fish. (This is a preference choice some people like gun drones better)
3 extra FW in each team. Or 1 new team of 6 FW.
4 Extra Pathfinders with 12 points left.

They are some options or anywhere between, For example I would personally advise 2 extra Pathfinders for 24 pts (36pts left) then using the remaining points to add 1 shield drone to each Crisis suit team. - that is if you do not pick the 1 extra crisis suit in team 2 option (having that 3rd suit will really help).

Im so sepecal! i keep stuffing the list up! heres the properlist wit

HQ
Shas'o with multi,PR,MP,stim,HW drone con with 2 shields (152)

Troops
2x 7 man squads. Shas'ui have bonding knifes (85 each)
Fishes have BCs,Gun drones,Disruption and multi (95 each)

Elites
XV8 team 1 with 3x fireknifes with multi's. (TL has HW multi). (216)
TL also has targeting and bonding knife

XV8 team 2, the team leader has PR,F,HW multi,Bonding knife,HW drone con with 1 shield
Shas'ui has PR,F and multi. (shas'vre costs 79, Shas,ui 54)

Quick attack

4 man Pathfinder team, all with Markerlight kit sep team leader which also has bonding knife (63)
there fish as BC,Smarts,Multi,Targeting,Disruption and that Marker beacon. (120)
HS
Hammerhead with railgun,smarts,targeting,multi and disruption (175)

3 man broadside team with twin linked railguns,smarts,target locks. The team leader has a targeting replaceing the target lock, bonding knife and HW drone con with 2 shields. (120)
total 1489

What do i do with 11pts?

Ledabot wrote:
Im so sepecal! i keep stuffing the list up! heres the properlist wit

HQ
Shas'o with multi,PR,MP,stim,HW drone con with 2 shields (152)

Troops
2x 7 man squads. Shas'ui have bonding knifes (85 each)
Fishes have BCs,Gun drones,Disruption and multi (95 each)

Elites
XV8 team 1 with 3x fireknifes with multi's. (TL has HW multi). (216)
TL also has targeting and bonding knife

XV8 team 2, the team leader has PR,F,HW multi,Bonding knife,HW drone con with 1 shield
Shas'ui has PR,F and multi. (shas'vre costs 79, Shas,ui 54)

Quick attack

4 man Pathfinder team, all with Markerlight kit sep team leader which also has bonding knife (63)
there fish as BC,Smarts,Multi,Targeting,Disruption and that Marker beacon. (120)
HS
Hammerhead with railgun,smarts,targeting,multi and disruption (175)

3 man broadside team with twin linked railguns,smarts,target locks. The team leader has a targeting replaceing the target lock, bonding knife and HW drone con with 2 shields. (120)
total 1489

What do i do with 11pts?

You could put a fletcette discharger on the pathfinders fish. You could put decoys on the HH or throw in 1 extra FW but these updates arent that useful.
However

Can you tell me what this means
"XV8 team 1 with 3x fireknifes with multi's. (TL has HW multi). (216)
TL also has targeting and bonding knife"

If it means that the Team Leader also has a targeting array or lock then get rid of it and use its 10/5pts and the 11 free points to Buy A hardwired drone controller and a shield drone for the team (or a Shield Gen - what ever your preference). How ever if you can also opt to get 1 extra Pathfinder boosting the effectiveness of the unit.

These upgrades are nice but the Shield drone is worth its weight in gold when it saves the team from a lascannon shot.

Once you have decided if you want to leave it as is or change it a bit recalculate the entire army to make sure you are positive on the point cost and have not over/under counted.

syanticraven wrote:

Ledabot wrote:
Im so sepecal! i keep stuffing the list up! heres the properlist wit

HQ
Shas'o with multi,PR,MP,stim,HW drone con with 2 shields (152)

Troops
2x 7 man squads. Shas'ui have bonding knifes (85 each)
Fishes have BCs,Gun drones,Disruption and multi (95 each)

Elites
XV8 team 1 with 3x fireknifes with multi's. (TL has HW multi). (216)
TL also has targeting and bonding knife

XV8 team 2, the team leader has PR,F,HW multi,Bonding knife,HW drone con with 1 shield
Shas'ui has PR,F and multi. (team leader costs 79, Shas,ui 54)

Quick attack

4 man Pathfinder team, all with Markerlight kit sep team leader which also has bonding knife (63)
there fish as BC,Smarts,Multi,Targeting,Disruption and that Marker beacon. (120)
HS
Hammerhead with railgun,smarts,targeting,multi and disruption (175)

3 man broadside team with twin linked railguns,smarts,target locks. The team leader has a targeting replaceing the target lock, bonding knife and HW drone con with 2 shields. (120)
total 1489

What do i do with 11pts?

Can you tell me what this means
"XV8 team 1 with 3x fireknifes with multi's. (TL has HW multi). (216)
TL also has targeting and bonding knife"

If it means that the Team Leader also has a targeting array or lock then get rid of it and use its 10/5pts and the 11 free points to Buy A hardwired drone controller and a shield drone for the team (or a Shield Gen - what ever your preference). How ever if you can also opt to get 1 extra Pathfinder boosting the effectiveness of the unit.

These upgrades are nice but the Shield drone is worth its weight in gold when it saves the team from a lascannon shot.

Once you have decided if you want to leave it as is or change it a bit recalculate the entire army to make sure you are positive on the point cost and have not over/under counted.

It ment targeting array.
ok. fixing

HQ
Shas'o with multi,PR,MP,stim,HW drone con with 2 shields (152)

Troops
2x 7 man squads. Shas'ui have bonding knifes (85 each)
Fishes have BCs,Gun drones,Disruption and multi (95 each)

Elites
XV8 team 1 with 3x fireknifes with multi's. (TL has HW multi). (216)
TL also has bonding knife and drone con with shield drone

XV8 team 2, the team leader has PR,F,HW multi,Bonding knife,HW drone con with 1 shield
Shas'ui has PR,F and multi. (shas'vre costs 79, Shas,ui 54)

Quick attack

4 man Pathfinder team, all with Markerlight kit sep team leader which also has bonding knife (63)
there fish as BC,Smarts,Multi,Targeting,Disruption and that Marker beacon. (120)
HS
Hammerhead with railgun,smarts,targeting,multi and disruption (175)

3 man broadside team with twin linked railguns,smarts,target locks. The team leader has a targeting replaceing the target lock, bonding knife and HW drone con with 2 shields. (120)
total 1494

Still 6pts.... What now?

Ledabot wrote:
It ment targeting array.
ok. fixing

XV8 team 2, the team leader has PR,F,HW multi,Bonding knife,HW drone con with 1 shield
Shas'ui has PR,F and multi. (shas'vre costs 79, Shas,ui 54)


Still 6pts.... What now?

That shas'vre should actually say team leader.
And your broadside teams says 120 beside it instead of its actual cost

and I would suggest you drop the commander to a Shas'el freeing up 25pts and spending 24pts of them on 2 extra pathfinders.
the 7 points in the army can be used for anything at all you want to spend it on.

HQ
Shas'el with multi,PR,MP,stim,HW drone con with 2 shields (127)

Troops
2x 7 man squads. Shas'ui have bonding knifes (85 each)
Fishes have BCs,Gun drones,Disruption and multi (95 each)

Elites
XV8 team 1 with 3x fireknifes with multi's. (TL has HW multi). (216)
TL also has bonding knife and drone con with shield drone

XV8 team 2, the team leader has PR,F,HW multi,Bonding knife,HW drone con with 1 shield
Shas'ui has PR,F and multi. (shas'vre costs 79, Shas,ui 54)

Quick attack

6 man Pathfinder team, all with Markerlight kit sep team leader which also has bonding knife (63)
there fish as BC,Smarts,Multi,Targeting,Disruption and that Marker beacon. (120)
HS
Hammerhead with railgun,smarts,targeting,multi and disruption (175)

3 man broadside team with twin linked railguns,smarts,target locks. The team leader has a targeting replaceing the target lock, bonding knife and HW drone con with 2 shields. (120)
total 1493

Thats looking great now.



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I will return the Targeting array to the team leader of the first unit.

Edit: target arrays on crisis suits cost 10pts not 5 (you only had 7pts to play with) and you still have the second crisis team listed as having a shas'vre in the point count part instead of a team leader.

Thats great now just get your tactics down and you will be set.

also with the 7 points you can play around a bit with the commanders 2nd weapon if you want (you can replace the MP with any other weapon if you like the look of it. Just make sure it is either a MEQ killer weapon or light vehicle armour killer.)

Dam. Um ill proberly put the second team leader back up to Shas'vre for the WS AND I. that finishs the list


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HQ
Shas'el with multi,PR,MP,stim,HW drone con with 2 shields (127)

Troops
2x 7 man squads. Shas'ui have bonding knifes (85 each)
Fishes have BCs,Gun drones,Disruption and multi (95 each)

Elites
XV8 team 1 with 3x fireknifes with multi's. (TL has HW multi). (216)
TL also has bonding knife and drone con with shield drone

XV8 team 2, the Shas'vre has PR,F,HW multi,Bonding knife,HW drone con with 1 shield
Shas'ui has PR,F and multi. (shas'vre costs 84, Shas,ui 54)

Quick attack

6 man Pathfinder team, all with Markerlight kit sep team leader which also has bonding knife (63)
there fish as BC,Smarts,Multi,Targeting,Disruption and that Marker beacon. (120)
HS
Hammerhead with railgun,smarts,targeting,multi and disruption (175)

3 man broadside team with twin linked railguns,smarts,target locks. The team leader has a targeting replaceing the target lock, bonding knife and HW drone con with 2 shields. (120)
total 1498

Ledabot wrote:Dam. Um ill proberly put the second team leader back up to Shas'vre for the WS AND I. that finishs the list

Never ever let your Suits get into combat, In fact Tau as a whole should never ever get into combat if it can be avoided.

cant be too careful and its as good as anything for the spare 5pts

Ill be starting a new forum on a 1750pt list. It may be a while in coming though. Thanks and if anyone can still see imporvments, post away!

Ledabot wrote:cant be too careful and its as good as anything for the spare 5pts

Ill be starting a new forum on a 1750pt list. It may be a while in coming though. Thanks and if anyone can still see imporvments, post away!

Suppose you are correct. Although a target lock for the HH may be much more useful that way you can fire the railgun at one thing and the SMS at another. This gives the Ability for the HH to kill 2 vehicles, one with the Railgun, the other with the SMS (although the SMS can only kill AV11 and is probably better fired on troops.)

As for the 1750 list, Throw in Another crisis suit in team 2 and then another FW team with a fish. you should have about 15 points left over which you can use for another Pathfinder.

woo!
thats what i added two. theres 11pts left. I will add another drone to the second team by droping the shas'vre to team leader.

Okay so post out your finalised list, with correct text and points. for the other guys to give pointers on

Just a quick tip.

From the several versions you've posted, you have 2 Fire Warrior teams. Odds are, you don't plan on changing that. With those two teams, you have two Devilfish.

Now, your Pathfinders HAVE to buy a Devilfish. So, why spend points on a 3rd Devilfish when your Pathfinder Fish will be empty? Just place your Fire Warriors next to it at the start of the game. Then, hop in.

That way, you save ~95 points to use for other things. And I know a lot more places to use 95 points than on a spare Devilfish.

Just food for thought.

2001SpaceOdyssey wrote:Just a quick tip.

From the several versions you've posted, you have 2 Fire Warrior teams. Odds are, you don't plan on changing that. With those two teams, you have two Devilfish.

Now, your Pathfinders HAVE to buy a Devilfish. So, why spend points on a 3rd Devilfish when your Pathfinder Fish will be empty? Just place your Fire Warriors next to it at the start of the game. Then, hop in.

That way, you save ~95 points to use for other things. And I know a lot more places to use 95 points than on a spare Devilfish.

Just food for thought.

I did mention this earlier when he had points to buy a 3rd team. He seems quite adamant to keep the fish with the pathfinders. Or maybe he doesnt know it is possible and skipped over it for that reason.

syanticraven wrote:

2001SpaceOdyssey wrote:Just a quick tip.

From the several versions you've posted, you have 2 Fire Warrior teams. Odds are, you don't plan on changing that. With those two teams, you have two Devilfish.

Now, your Pathfinders HAVE to buy a Devilfish. So, why spend points on a 3rd Devilfish when your Pathfinder Fish will be empty? Just place your Fire Warriors next to it at the start of the game. Then, hop in.

That way, you save ~95 points to use for other things. And I know a lot more places to use 95 points than on a spare Devilfish.

Just food for thought.

I did mention this earlier when he had points to buy a 3rd team. He seems quite adamant to keep the fish with the pathfinders. Or maybe he doesnt know it is possible and skipped over it for that reason.

I did notice it.... i just dident act on it. I can see where 95 points would come in handy, proberly upgrading the other fish to the same standed as the pathfinders and getting a third suit in the second unit.


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The most up-to-date list is....awesome! see below

HQ
Shas'el with PR,MP,Multi,stim,HW blacksun,HW drone con with two shield drones (130)

Troop
2x seven man fire warrior units. Shas'ui have bonding knifes (85 each)
1 fish with BC,Smarts,Disruption,Multi and Targeting array (120)

Elites

2, 3-man teams

first has 3 fireknifes with multi trackers.
Team leader also has bonding knife and Hard-wired drone con with 1 shield drone (221)

second has newly named "Hellblades" which are my personal touch. they have a flamer, plasma rifle for kicks and a multi. The Shas'vre also has a multi,Bonding knife and a HW drone con with 2 shield drones. (202)

Quick attack

6-man Pathfinder team all with markerlight setup.
Shas'ui also has bonding knife (87)
there fish goes to the other firewarror unit and is the same as the one above apart from the marker beacon attachment (120)

HS
Hammerhead with railgun,Smarts,Targeting array,multi and disruption. (175)

3-man broadside team all with Smarts and railguns. The two Shas'ui have target locks and the team leader has targeting array,Bonding knife and a HW drone con with 2 shield drones. (270)
total 1500.

With 3 points left after making changes, i gave the Shas,el a blacksun filter, after all theres nothing else i could do with 3 points.

Good List I think you are all set to go, now just to get tactics down and understanding the multiple or specific uses of your units.

How they can work together, how/where they should be set up.

One tip is keep in mind the ability to deep strike.

I would proberly get my HQ to hang around with my fireknifes. deepstrike the Hellblades. Get pathfinders in cover and start marking things. get the hammerhead and broadsides to lay fire on there tanks and get my troops ho hang inside my fishes till they need to capture a objective

Ledabot wrote:I would proberly get my HQ to hang around with my fireknifes. deepstrike the Hellblades. Get pathfinders in cover and start marking things. get the hammerhead and broadsides to lay fire on there tanks and get my troops ho hang inside my fishes till they need to capture a objective

1 of your units can start the game already in its devilfish. (sadly because the other devilfish is 'owned' by the pathfinders they must be placed outside and the FW then need to embark and move off)

If you are vs a horde army and the tanks are not a threat you should use the HH rails subnumitions shot, it is pretty useful.

ya. I played for the first time yesterday witgh a 1k army. necrons wasted me by teleporting right behind all my guys. whats the word on hammahead crush wid broadside backup???