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Well I use both full tac squads in rhinos and min squads in razorbacks (only las/plasma razors though) in a vanilla mech army, and with the caveat that you can get 3 razor units for about the same points as 2 rhino units, I find three razors to be different but roughly equivalent in effectiveness and value to 2 rhinos. The razors give you more mobile long-ranged AT firepower, and the rhinos give you more durability and short-range antipersonnel fire. Sometimes I mix the two in the same army.

Also one reason I'm often pretty much required to take a razorback is because my mandatory HQ guy needs a place to ride.

Nurglitch wrote:Clarification: Razorbacks are alright, not great, and if you have the points available you're better off with a full squad in a Rhino.

That's the point I keep making about them. Mech marines dont have points to waste on extra space marines since that isn't the focus of the list. Since the points aren't available because they are better spent on more mech in the other parts of the FOC razor backs become very points efficient. This is in the context of a purely mech army. Once you start taking a mech hybrid army 10 man squads in rhinos become better. Razorbacks make sense and so do rhinos but you have to look at what the rest of your list is doing before you decide between them.

I think razorback spam and longfangs are what won Ard boyz, correct?

Either way they're absurdly good for the points.

My razorbacks sit on objectives and toast vehicles with TL/Las.

You'll never forget the lucky shot that downs a monolith...

agnosto wrote:My razorbacks sit on objectives and toast vehicles with TL/Las.

You'll never forget the lucky shot that downs a monolith...

I don't think it's lucky if I'm taking nine of the damn things. I think it's more mathematical.

Well, massed shots always works. I never put all my eggs in one basket. Amazingly, my razorbacks are generally more effective than my predator.

all right then, those for razors have convinced me, those against i apretiate the insite. thank you everyone.

LordWaffles wrote:I think razorback spam and longfangs are what won Ard boyz, correct?

Either way they're absurdly good for the points.

West coast, right?

On the East coast it was Chaos, but he leapfrogged into first because the SW and IG armies playing on table 1 (Ben Mohlie, captain of the US ETC team and Alex Fennell, Cold Steel Merc and member of the England ETC team) got a draw.

Ben's army, FWIW, was not razorspam. He had a largely foot-based SW army with a couple of Rhinos.

Overall I agree with Flavius and cromwest. Two Rhino squads or three Razor squads are both good options, but do different things. Which is better depends on the rest of your army.

Mannahnin wrote:

LordWaffles wrote:I think razorback spam and longfangs are what won Ard boyz, correct?

Either way they're absurdly good for the points.

West coast, right?

On the East coast it was Chaos, but he leapfrogged into first because the SW and IG armies playing on table 1 (Ben Mohlie, captain of the US ETC team and Alex Fennell, Cold Steel Merc and member of the England ETC team) got a draw.

Ben's army, FWIW, was not razorspam. He had a largely foot-based SW army with a couple of Rhinos.

Overall I agree with Flavius and cromwest. Two Rhino squads or three Razor squads are both good options, but do different things. Which is better depends on the rest of your army.

Must have been central, because West Coast was Daemons and they don't usually field RBs.

Went back to the results thread, and it looks like IG won the Chicago one, and the SW army which was facing off with the IG on table 1 was thunderwolves & pods.

So Razorspam and longfangs didn't win any of the three, though other kinds of SW lists were in close contention at at least two of the venues.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/306059.page

PraetorDave wrote:I don't understand the argument for the Las/Plas combo. You can't fire both in the same turn, unless you stay still. And isn't the point of a transport to move? I would rather the TL Lascannon. That way you can blow away anything at 48" instead of having to choose either Las or Plas.

The main point, IMHO, of this combo is to have the choice between two different weapons, that can meet different criteria.

In a well balanced list, this is less of a daunting issue, but the most notable thing about it is that it gives your Razorback an additional weapon. A TL Plasmagun is almost a guaranteed wound (or 2), and a Lascannon is great for any Anti Tank firepower that's needed.

I haven't used the combination yet (and only for lack of having a piece that properly represents it), but as far as getting efficient firepower for points, it's definitely up there.

But back OT, I love playing Razorbacks with my Combat Squads. They're immensely effective in all of my lists. If I have points to spare, I would upgrade to a TL Assault Cannon. I usually already have at least 2-3 Lascannons in my lists, so I rarely choose the TL Lascannon for them. If I know I'm playing against Orks or other Horde-like armies, TL Heavy Flamers are the way to go. But for an All-Comers list, you can't go wrong with either the TL Assault Cannon or Lascannon/TL Plasmagun combo.


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agnosto wrote:My razorbacks sit on objectives and toast vehicles with TL/Las.

You'll never forget the lucky shot that downs a monolith...

I'd be more concerned with taking down what comes out of the Monolith instead of the Monolith itself. Just sayin'...

I've been playing with Razorbacks and enjoying them immensely in my SW army. I found the the TL Assault Cannon & Las/Plas combos are about equally effective. The TL Lascannon is more accurate but boring and not as good against non-vehicle targets. Heavy Bolter just doesn't seem to have enough punch to be worth it the times I've used it, and the Heavy Flamer was too hard to use.

That said, some part of me kind of resents the small transport size. At the same time something just sits funny with me about either having LD8 squads, or being just 1 Dude away from a free weapon with the rhino. I've been considering trying out full size squads hoofing it, and buying a razorback purely as a mobile weapon/extra target/moving cover. I'm not so sure it's a viable idea though.