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Jabbdo wrote:All haizelhoff says is true, and its true I'm not the nicest guy in the world. Also true about the game, it was very close until the end, I really couldn't tell who would come out on top until turn 5.

I don't suffer fools lightly. You can put up all the suggestions you want, but if I say I'm not going to adapt according to those suggestions, well, tough gak.

If I don't like your suggestion don't start crying about it. You can feth off.

I've explained my reasons on this list. I've explained how it works. If you can't be bothered to read the thread, well, you can feth off.

I'm not a gak. I won't assault your THSS deathstar 1 on 1. Don't be a slow. Maybe if your 5yr old brother was playing this list, then he might do so, but I wont. I'll avoid them, or tarpit them with the lord. GG.

Guess what, 3 grey hunters killed 40 conscripts today. Stop picking on them.


@ Everyone.

As far as I'm concerned, this thread is closed. I'm obviously not gonna get any intelligent responses. Come troll it as much as you like, I don't give a feth. Thanks for reinforcing the crappiness of dakkadakkas tactica intelligence guys

Way to off there. Then again, to be objective, we are not saying that you're a slow whose gonna charge TH/SS terminators. But against any SM player worth his salt, will make sure they will end up combat with your wolves by counter charging. Its even possible to position one's army in a way that you can tank shock/multiple assault 2 TWC units putting them in deep trouble, the same with DCCWs. The problem with the list is its probably gonna lose to WAAC armies like razorspam, Kan wall, and what not. Then again I'm just giving advice, I dont really care if you listen to it or not, its for the other players who stumble by this thread.

Fact of the matter is, you posted your army list in a forum designed to help people improve their lists. You basically stated you needed no help. As for the drama, you are the sole person supplying it. Everyone else has been giving good constructive advice, yet you write them all off as "non-intelligent".

Personally, if we were given insight to what kind of opponents you actually faced, we might be able to point you more in that direction, or at least see the merit of your rebuttles. But as it stands, against the meta, you have alot to improve.

I posted the list up. The list was called crap, and I, a liar. I explained how the list worked. Further insulting of the list, followed by foolish suggestions...

Kan wall would kill this????? Really?????

Razorspam too, I dont foresee as being particularly problematic. Traditional lasplas spam, no problem, BA AC razor spam, hmmm, could be more difficult.

I see you love insulting the list Seaward. How bout you post up a BALANCED list you would beat this with? Instead of just trolling.


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@ Mechaemperor

In my FLGS I usually see templar termispam, tau, chaos lash, drop wolves, mech BA, orks (kan wall and green tide), IG, drop nids, and sometimes eldar.

Something that people loved critisizing in the list was its "lack" of CC power, and no SS on the TWC. I've beaten the termplar army with this, which had 20 terminators, all with preferred enemy, + castellan w/ 2xLC + EC. I'd say thats a fair amount of CC power? Granted, I got some lucky first turn charges off, but I won that game in CC, which this list apparently isnt capable of.

Another thing I keep hearing is "str10 will rape you etc". I played against IG with 2 medusas and 2 manticores yesterday, and I was scared as hell. Luckily my long fangs managed to suppress them for long enough for the TWC to get there. 3 grey hunters killing 40 conscript bubblewrap helped too I won by KP 7-5. It was a fun game, and was really close until about turn 5, when a lot of his army got sucked into combat and the artillery was either dead/out of ammo. Just goes to show that str10 doesnt mean you autolose, its just an uphill battle from the start.

No one called your list crap. How else are they suppose to point out shortcomings on your list? Dont take every single bit of criticism as a personal insult.

However, this list will probably stand a good chance against Kan Walls. TWCs will pen a Kan (there's no glancing, since any glancing hit would automatically turn into a pen hit due to rending). The number of Long Fangs can also destroy Kans before they reach you. However it all depends on what else the enemy takes.

EDIT: The main criticism most people offer here is to help you turn that uphill battle into a downhill one. If your long fangs werent so lucky, you might have lost the battle very early on. With SS, the Wolves stand a good chance at just charging at the enemy head on. or at least be less afraid of the templates raining down on you. Relying on cover is also not as reliable since it's liable to change. SS allows you to basically take that (now improved) cover save anywhere you want.

Seaward wrote:I think I'd probably counter this list by putting 25% terrain on the board and pointing out that you have 14 TWMs.

Wow, truly constructive critisizm, and VERY helpful advice

This is the kind of crap I keep hearing.

you know what makes it even more hilarious? after he said THIS THREAD IS CLOSED he posted something else
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btw, dont be retardedly pigheaded and ignore advice. I have seen lists from many of these posters on dakka and most could reliably eat your face.

cheers.


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Jabbdo wrote:I posted the list up. The list was called crap, and I, a liar. I explained how the list worked. Further insulting of the list, followed by foolish suggestions...

Kan wall would kill this????? Really?????

I see you love insulting the list Seaward. How bout you post up a BALANCED list you would beat this with? Instead of just trolling.


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@ Mechaemperor

In my FLGS I usually see templar termispam, tau, chaos lash, drop wolves, mech BA, orks (kan wall and green tide), IG, drop nids, and sometimes eldar.
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ok first things first...... you face tau, railguns will eat you alive. as well as a unit of suits with MEQ killing weapons.

Kan Wall-yes it would eat you, 9 kans with rokkit launchas-thats 4 no save wounds a turn- shooting then assaulting could kill most of you list. THen we have the power klaw toting mobz behind them that would finish you off. Honestly,you cant call beating 20 termies in cc skill. for one nthing, its a DICE GAME!!!!!! for another.... its just not possible without extreme rolling on both sides.

stompydakka wrote:you know what makes it even more hilarious? after he said THIS THREAD IS CLOSED he posted something else
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btw, dont be retardedly pigheaded and ignore advice. I have seen lists from many of these posters on dakka and most could reliably eat your face.

cheers.


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Jabbdo wrote:I posted the list up. The list was called crap, and I, a liar. I explained how the list worked. Further insulting of the list, followed by foolish suggestions...

Kan wall would kill this????? Really?????

I see you love insulting the list Seaward. How bout you post up a BALANCED list you would beat this with? Instead of just trolling.


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@ Mechaemperor

In my FLGS I usually see templar termispam, tau, chaos lash, drop wolves, mech BA, orks (kan wall and green tide), IG, drop nids, and sometimes eldar.
.

ok first things first...... you face tau, railguns will eat you alive. as well as a unit of suits with MEQ killing weapons.

Kan Wall-yes it would eat you, 9 kans with rokkit launchas-thats 4 no save wounds a turn- shooting then assaulting could kill most of you list. THen we have the power klaw toting mobz behind them that would finish you off. Honestly,you cant call beating 20 termies in cc skill. for one nthing, its a DICE GAME!!!!!! for another.... its just not possible without extreme rolling on both sides.

WOW, thats incredibly amusing!!!!!!

yeah I've seen a lot of lists here too. Many of them are utter crap. You might not have noticed, but the quality of advice you'll receive on dakkadakka isnt exactly top notch.

@ All

Fine then, you think the list sucks. Post up the BALANCED list you would beat it with. If you cant do that, you can just feth off.

you managed to insult dakkadakka without having answers to anything i posted about. that is impressive.
my orks would destroy you, my friends SW would destroy you, leafblower IG destroys you.\

orks=battlewagon rush

SW=rhino spam


happy now?

I would honestly suggest you guys stop fueling dear Jabbdo here, as I said earlier and you can see, he gets slightly carried away...

By this point any post will be countered by either side, and this is going nowhere. Maybe the admins should just close this thread...

maybe, because it seems like 1 side=jabbdo and other side=everyone else.

i suppose there is no point posting if the thread owner is too pigheaded and stubborn to take good advice....
sigh... jabbdo, have fun losing.


cheers

you complain about me not answering, yet neither do you. You just post up "my friends SW would destroy you"

What the feth is that supposed to mean?? I dont know your friend (I dont particularly want to bearing in mind that you probably hang around similar dumbasses) so I cant know what he has in his list. Probably skyclaws or some other gak that you guys consider the fething bomb.

I dont know what your ork list contains either. One word does not tell me enough to judge the list.

Leafblower. LOL. Thats 2500 mate. Are you really comparing a 1750 army to a 2500 one?

Give me a concrete list, instead of "rhino spam SW". That doesnt tell me gak.


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stompydakka wrote:maybe, because it seems like 1 side=jabbdo and other side=everyone else.

i suppose there is no point posting if the thread owner is too pigheaded and stubborn to take good advice....
sigh... jabbdo, have fun losing.


cheers

good advice. lol.

If theres no point posting WHY are you posting?? feth off. lol

Jabbdo wrote:

Seaward wrote:I think I'd probably counter this list by putting 25% terrain on the board and pointing out that you have 14 TWMs.

Wow, truly constructive critisizm, and VERY helpful advice

This is the kind of crap I keep hearing.

You could always consider what I'm actually saying. I'm not going to hold your hand for you, as you claim to be a highly intelligent player. Surely you know what I'm getting at? Unless you're playing with smaller bases than are required by the rules, anyway.

Techinically I could use any bases I want as there a no figs for TWC, but I'm using 60mm bases atm.

Yeah, difficult terrain will slow me down. Impressive analysis. You want a fething medal??

Stop talking gak and put up a list. Show me the money, biatch. If you cant do that, I'm gonna have to assume you cant think of one, ergo, I win

battlewagon rush-
ghazzy
nob deathstar
lots of lootas
2 units of boyz in wagonz

a wagon for ghazz and the nobz

all wagonz have deffrollaz

3x outflanking TL rokkit buzzsaw deffkoptas



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if you are an admin reading this, please close the thread :(

BTW, I have received ONE piece of advice: take SS for your TWC. I explained my reasons not to, and they were completely reasonable.

Its the list that you guys seem to hate.


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stompydakka wrote:battlewagon rush-
ghazzy
nob deathstar
lots of lootas
2 units of boyz in wagonz

a wagon for ghazz and the nobz

all wagonz have deffrollaz

3x outflanking TL rokkit buzzsaw deffkoptas



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if you are an admin reading this, please close the thread :(

Hmm, it would be close.

Nice, you can maybe put my list down, but the first IG list you come up against

BALANCED, is the key word here.

Jabbdo wrote:Techinically I could use any bases I want as there a no figs for TWC, but I'm using 60mm bases atm.

Yeah, difficult terrain will slow me down. Impressive analysis. You want a fething medal??

Stop talking gak and put up a list. Show me the money, biatch. If you cant do that, I'm gonna have to assume you cant think of one, ergo, I win

Difficult terrain slows you down? That's it? Come on, think about it a little more. Try and calm the RAAAAAAGE for a moment or two, as amusing as it is.

want a hint? thats my 1500 list. yes, it would be close. lol.

LOS issues.

Throwing it out there.

stompydakka wrote:want a hint? thats my 1500 list. yes, it would be close. lol.

did it occur to you that I cant really tell what size list it is from roundabout expressions such as "lots of lootas"?

If your aim was to debase my list by having me state that a game against your 1500pt list would be close you have failed. Miserably.

its extremely amusing. lol thats why i still post, because i know hell have some ridiculous, unrelated spaz attack to any decent army list.

what are you on about with the terrain??

are you hoping for ruins so I cant come upstairs??

LOS shouldnt be a problem...

Mind explaining what youre getting at here?

Its funny that you lost, and you still think your list is perfect.

stompydakka wrote:its extremely amusing. lol thats why i still post, because i know hell have some ridiculous, unrelated spaz attack to any decent army list.

you laugh at TWC SW, yet call orks "decent"....

oh dear...



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rivers64 wrote:Its funny that you lost, and you still think your list is perfect.

what have i lost?? And no, the list isnt perfect, as no list is. Its not crap though, which everyone seems to think. Oh well.

nonononono. TWC are great, but your list and the way you outfit them isnt!

stompydakka wrote:nonononono. TWC are great, but your list and the way you outfit them isnt!

Ah, thanks, that clears thing up immensely.

BTW, how would YOU use TWC at 1750?

And dont go and copy the TWC list off YTTH, I'll notice

Would you go multiple units? Or one big deathstar? Just interested, since you seem to hate the way I use them so much.


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Thanks all for participating in this thread BTW. Its been highly amusing

at 1750 pts you are splitting them up too much. since they are not troops, not only are you giving up KPs that dont hold objectives, you make them weak in the process! take 2 bigger units with SSs. dont ask me to make up a list, because i wont, but there you go.

Something like switching the 3 TWC squads for:

5 TWC, 1 w/ TH, 1 w/ bolter, 1 w/ meltabombs, 1 w/ SS, 1 naked 315

5 TWC, 1 w/ TH, 1 w/ bolter, 1 w/ meltabombs, 1 w/ SS, 1 naked 315

Is this what your getting at?

not exactly cuz the rest of the list would be different. nevermind.

stompydakka wrote:not exactly cuz the rest of the list would be different. nevermind.

Exactly. Thank you. It would be a DIFFERENT LIST. But wer'e not talking about a DIFFERENT LIST now, are we? No, we're talking about this list.

I'm not a slow, despite what you all seem to think. lol. I do realise there are other TWC lists out there.

Jabbdo wrote:

stompydakka wrote:not exactly cuz the rest of the list would be different. nevermind.

Exactly. Thank you. It would be a DIFFERENT LIST. But wer'e not talking about a DIFFERENT LIST now, are we? No, we're talking about this list.

I'm not a slow, despite what you all seem to think. lol. I do realise there are other TWC lists out there.

Making your list different from what was originally posted (indeed, a "different" but improved list) is the aim of seeking help here. Getting criticism (no matter how small), considering them, giving reason and either make additions to your list or politely turn them down with a good reason is how you improve. Telling people you have your own way of playing the list and that any sort of crit is "foolish" is why you're alienating everyone. If you are so against changing your list, dont ask for help and cut the drama. If you're after post count or just want to troll people to get a reaction out of them, go to the YMDC section. Don't insult other people's intelligence or their competency when you yourself seem to be unaware of your own goals. Also, none of us called you a slow. We also refrained from using swear words (although you seem to be using them gratuitously, or feth, gak and biatch apparently mean something else equally insulting). You do make numerous contradictions and seem to be doing little more than goating people into a reaction. Give us one post where you dont stealth-insult someone and maybe we'll start taking you seriously again.