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For my future reference here is the 2.5K list:

Daemon Prince, Lvl 1, MoT, Third Eye, Fury- 400
Throgg- 175
8 Trolls- 360
6 Trolls- 270
4 Ogres, Mus, Std- 170
4 Ogres, Mus, Std- 170
6 Dragon Ogres- 390
5 Hounds- 30
5 Hounds- 30
Dragon Ogre Shaggoth, AHW- 275
Giant- 225
Total- 2495

I ended up cheaping out on the dragon ogres to get the two separate ogre units some decency (although they still don't have chaos armor). It's a tough call, but if I run the dragon ogres 3x2, taking away their GWs frees up 72 points... which was enough to boost the ogres up to 4 apiece. It also doesn't seem like AHW is worth it for that formation, since only the front 3 would benefit.

Will update after getting more test games in with these formations

I am fairly jealous your list requires nearly 0 options to be listed
Really neat list though, and I can't wait to hear and see how it does!

Lol, definitely makes it easy not having to remember upgrades . Remaining purchases for me to run this are a box of ogres, a box of river trolls, and the model for the daemon prince . Already have what I need for the 2K list!

Was torn all day on the hounds / armor for ogres / weapons for dragon ogres dilemma (since it effects whether my next purchase would be iron guts or ogre bulls, 4 models vs. 6 to go with the 2 I already have). I think I'm going to commit to making those ogre units 4-strong and worry about the details later, so I'll be buying bulls for them.

I tend to include all the models I can, so atm I think the hounds have earned their place in the list. They've certainly been invaluable throw-away units for me thus far!

If I continue the trend of not giving the dragon ogres any weapons, I may drop their weapons for the 2K list to fit another one in. Which would make the 2K list:

Throgg- 175
6 Trolls- 270
6 Trolls- 270
6 Ogres, Mus, Std, Chaos Armor- 270
7 Dragon Ogres- 455
5 Hounds- 30
5 Hounds- 30
Dragon Ogre Shaggoth, AHW- 275
Giant- 225
Total- 2000

In your 2500 list. You could drop the unit of 8 trolls to 7 - and then add in chaos armor if you wanted to.

The only thing that's kept me from doing so is I need 14 trolls to meet minimum core :-/

Things on the chopping block could be the musicians, or Fury of the Blood God (which together would give me enough for the armor) or the hounds. But I feel like I like all of those more than armor... will know more after some playtesting, though!

Here's a thought: do you have 6 chaos warriors laying around? I am pretty certain I have 4 GW ogres floating around I picked up as bits to use for my Lost and the Damned, so if you wanted to trade that would be cool with me. I don't know the going rate of ogres though, so feel free to tell me that's a bad trade If you do though, I will check when I get home Sunday that I do have 4 ready to go.

As a thought to the Ogres as well, if you forgo Chaos armor I think you have enough points for a MoT on them. That 6+ ward might well turn out to be more valuable than +1 armor. It doesn't really fit too well with your delightfully markless theme, but eh, who really cares It isn't like it is an all Nurgle army after all!

I'd love to trade for your ogres, but I don't think I have anything you'd need in return... Will have a think on it and shoot you a PM if I can find/think of anything you could use, though! I don't really have anything for WoC other than big, stompy things

I'd bump the daemon prince to a level 3.
It would help you with the dispelling, and give you more spells from the lore of tzeench.

Why? Because if you face an opponent with the lore of life, you can't 3rd eye him. Since all of the spells in lore of life heal, you cannot cast any spells from the lore of life through the 3rd eye. Besides, sometimes you'll just want to have the lore of tzeench, it's pretty good.

Run 5 trolls + Throgg, and 8 trolls on their own.
Thin down ogres to get the extra points.

Keep the giant, and screen him behind the trolls. It's very tough to bounce a cannon through trolls; as you need to KILL both trolls (both fail the regen, and both hits doing enough wounds), or the trolls stop the ball.

Maybe pick a spawn to round out the I've got monsters theme.

-Matt

Good suggestions! I do think I could use at least some spells from lore of life... in fact, probably all but the heal wounds one and the restore models one (there is a "forest" damage spell, dwellers below, flesh to stone, shield of thorns, throne of vines).

Screening the giant behind the trolls is a great idea . For some reason I haven't faced many cannons yet with this list, but I'll definitely try that!

If I do end up dropping the hounds in favor of chaos armor, I could use the spare 20 points to give the DP the breath weapon gift... or use it and drop his Fury of the Blood God to make him a level 2. Will consider it

I think what he means is the innate power of the Lore of Life spells also triggers upon casting, allowing you to heal a model. When viewed as such, every Lore of Life spell is capable of healing. I don't think it applies to Third Eye, though, since it only copies the spells and not Lore effects.

I just picked up a box of ironguts, and now I'm stuck with a dilemma. If I chop things to the bone for the 2.5K list, I can get them either:

1) Chaos Armor and AHW
2) Great Weapons

It seems clear to me that Chaos Armor is necessary... even moreso with the great weapons, where I cannot afford it. So I could just give them AHW and use them as lawnmowers for the little stuff on the flanks (with 20 S4 attacks, counting stomp)? I feel like for a unit of 4 this might actually be a better configuration than GWs, since it gives them more much-needed attacks.

I need to figure it out to decide how to assemble them so input on this dilemma is very, very welcome! It's all Boss_Salvage's fault for making fun of my ogres for being too weak...

Throgg- 175
8 Trolls- 360
6 Trolls- 270
6 Ogres, AHW, Chaos Armor, Mus, Std- 300
6 Dragon Ogres- 390
Dragon Ogre Shaggoth, AHW- 275
Giant- 225
Total- 1995

Daemon Prince, Lvl 1, MoT, Third Eye- 380
Throgg- 175
8 Trolls- 360
6 Trolls- 270
4 Ogres, AHW, Chaos Armor, Mus, Std- 210
4 Ogres, AHW, Chaos Armor, Mus, Std- 210
6 Dragon Ogres- 390
Dragon Ogre Shaggoth, AHW- 275
Giant- 225
Total- 2495

After some thought, here's another possibility to keep those banners a bit safer:

Daemon Prince, Lvl 1, MoT, Third Eye- 380
Throgg- 175
8 Trolls- 360
6 Trolls- 270
6 Ogres, Std- 230
6 Ogres, Std- 230
5 Hounds- 30
5 Hounds- 30
4 Dragon Ogres, AHW- 292
Dragon Ogre Shaggoth, AHW- 275
Giant- 225
Total- 2497

Sacrificing 2 dragon ogres to get 4 more ogres, although I also had to lose the musicians. Gives a lot more wounds to protect those banners... in which case Throgg would also be the general to avoid losing as soon as the DP gets shot (do I need to declare that on my army list? I assume yes).

The hounds are back in instead of chaos armor, though... I think I'm going to need those hounds to try to set up favorable charges against really nasty blocks, which I'll need to hit with several of my units at once to have a chance against.

My solution to these dilemmas is that I'm just going to go buy another box of ogres and trolls so that I'll have enough for 3K's worth and just swap in whatever is working best for me as I try it out

I don't think you have to mark your general on your list (at least its not in the rules) however it is good practice for tournaments.

Have you got any games in with this list yet? I really like the overall appeal (as all the other WoC players at my store run the same boring ) and I want my WoC army to be different (when I'm not playing my DE).

I've gotten in a number of games with it, and I'm about 50% in friendly games so far. Just beat daemons for the first time today! (Although it was a themed khorne list, which matches up rather badly against my army which can't be killing-blowed!).

It's pretty good since Throgg effectively acts as a BSB for the army (for break tests only). It only really struggles hard against armies taking initiative-based spells, and of course flaming stuff... which granted, is quite a lot!

Also if the daemon player brings that -2 to leadership if you have line-of-sight to it banner, throgg and company would effectively be testing on a 2!

The wording on the general entry states: "If more than one character share the highest Leadership value, you must choose which one is the General and tell your opponent before deploying your army."

That doesn't sound like it has to be in the list, and even sounds like it could change between games at a tournament. It's only important since I'm so close to my breaking point, that for that mission it'd be good to have throgg be the general (at least against a cannon-heavy army)... and probably for anything else, good to have the daemon prince be it. I'll probably usually use the DP for it since throgg shares his leadership as if he's the general with big stuff, anyway.

That actually worked against me today as the shaggoth was forced to use his LD 8 instead of its own LD 9! (Since you must use the general's LD now). That will hurt vs spells that take down a model's leadership, since everyone would suffer if it's cast on the general... but at least with throgg and a separate general (DP) I can probably choose which to use (since they both share their leadership) assuming a model's in range of both!

RiTides wrote:\That will hurt vs spells that take down a model's leadership, since everyone would suffer if it's cast on the general... but at least with throgg and a separate general (DP) I can probably choose which to use (since they both share their leadership) assuming a model's in range of both!

Thats just sneaky I like it

Glad to hear the list is doing decently. Defiantly means I'll be experimenting with it soon.

blak43 wrote:Man, that sounds like fun, wish I could go and not be a country and a half away, though I am probably going to go to Australia for January, so I won't mind it all that much I guess.

Well if your coming to Canberra there is a tournament going on here called CANCON that you can enter on the day. i cant quite remeber the times, pm me if you care (:

I got this bad boy assembled . Here's a few pics:




Probably won't run the trolls in horde formation at anything under 3K, but that actually gives me an incentive to play that high of a point level . With something like:

Daemon Prince, Lvl 1, MoT, Third Eye- 380
Throgg- 175
17 Trolls- 765 (or a unit of 8 and a unit of 9)
6 Ogres, Chaos Armor, Std- 260
6 Ogres, Chaos Armor, Std- 260
5 Hounds- 30
5 Hounds- 30
4 Dragon Ogres, AHWs- 292
4 Dragon Ogres, GWs- 308
Dragon Ogre Shaggoth, AHW- 275
Giant- 225
Total- 3000

I may consider dropping the chaos armor for musicians and an extra wizard level on the DP. Obviously, putting the trolls in one big block is purple sun bait... but it sure would look cool and be scary if it hit anything

That really is a frightening unit. Usually I have to remind myself that when it comes to ogres, those "little" units actually have a crap ton of attacks and wounds. Those trolls, no question there!

As a side note, the two bulimic trolls in the front rank really drive home the "WTF?!" nature of troll vomit. Seriously, what was GW thinking, and how would it even work? Technicolor Yawn of dooom!

The real question is: how can they possibly get it over their fellows from the third rank, as they can now

I like to think they form a cheerleader style pyramid, pull the trigger, and then topple forward into the enemy while giggling horribly. Possibly while chanting and wearing multicolored skirts and sweaters.

that's a fantastic list!!