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sebster wrote:

Frazzled wrote:***You have absolutely nothing but your own rantings to base that on. What makes you qualified to comment?

Umm, really? You're free to make the argument that he was an intellectual president rather than a man driven by instinct. You might be alone in that, though.

***So you're bashing his fiscal policy which is worse than any other politican how? How are those Aussie politicians in handling budgets again?

To be fair to you guys, who are going through a pretty poor time economically, I'm happy to look at pre-financial crisis government debt levels, so maybe 2007? The US governemt debt at that time was around 65% of GDP, whereas Australia has among the lowest government debt to GDP in the developed world, coming in at a tick under 2% in 2007.

So it's probably fair to say we're handling it very well, and you're handling it very poorly. So what's your point?

***Foreign policy-you're forgetting that small matter of a major attack. He managed to get more allies to support the US than Obama has. Europe loves Obama. Love is irrelevant.

Are you going to argue that Bush's policies were a foreign policy triumph? I wish you good luck with that effort, and am interested to see how you try.

I'd rather not argue with an Aussie who's own lame ass politicians or country for that matter haven't done a damn thing ever about the merits of a US President when he makes sweeping statements without support. Come back to me when you, your politicans, or your country have done anything more than make a movie about a redneck who kills gators goes to the civilized world.

I love these threads that inevitably slam the US or US politicians/presidents, with full commentary from foreigners. How come we never debate Aussie polltiics? Oh yea, no one gives a gak.

Frazzled wrote:How come we never debate Aussie polltiics?

You have to respect that.

So I believe that the Australian Opposition Leader made a strong argument for being bitten by a snake after that outrageous comment.

What do you think?

WarOne wrote:So I believe that the Australian Opposition Leader made a strong argument for being bitten by a snake after that outrageous comment.

What do you think?

No thats unpatriotic, any Aussie politician worth his salt would be attacked by a Kaula dropbear first, or at least kicked in the nards by a kangaroo. Snake bite is far too normal for an Aussie politician.

Bush pissed out of his tree makes a lot of sense in hindsight.
but not horticulturally

He ought go team up with Yelstin.

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:Bush pissed out of his tree makes a lot of sense in hindsight.
but not horticulturally

He ought go team up with Yelstin.

Yeltsin started a revolution to bring democracy to 160MM people. Thats not bad company to be in actually.
Its my understanding Chruchill was known to be one with proper booze as well. Also good company.

Jimmy Carter didn't drink and Obama drinks wussy college professor beer. Is there a connection?

but we've moved on, we're now discussing the efficacy of Aussie politicians getting kicked in the nards by kangaroos while being attacked from above by drop bears. I think we have to proffer the query at this point.

kuala drop bear or a drunken jackalope, which is the preferred method of taking out politicians?

Churchill and Yeltsin
hmmm
in that case one out of three ain't bad.

Though I don't recall Bozza starting a revolution.
He did help nullify the attempted coup against Gorby in 1991.



now that's waht AAm tolkin bout

I'm not as much of a Bush slammer as most personally, because i feel kinda bad for the guy, I have been watching the interviews with Bush and he doesnt seem that bad a guy to me, he is simply another Evangelical idiot.

I especially liked the story about his Mother carrying a foetus around in a jar. I mean, how does that even happen!? Im not trying to trivialise a very sad moment for a young woman, but feth me, what do you do? Come around after surgery and say "oh can you scoop whats leftover into a jar? I want to take it home with me!"

These Religious dudes seriously scare me.. when i listen to him talk i kinda get the impression that they just want the whole world to end. You know, like, a nuke or a WMD wouldnt be THAT big a deal because they honestly believe with every fibre of their being that the party only really starts when your dead. :S

Frazzled wrote:I'd rather not argue with an Aussie who's own lame ass politicians or country for that matter haven't done a damn thing ever about the merits of a US President when he makes sweeping statements without support. Come back to me when you, your politicans, or your country have done anything more than make a movie about a redneck who kills gators goes to the civilized world.

I love these threads that inevitably slam the US or US politicians/presidents, with full commentary from foreigners. How come we never debate Aussie polltiics? Oh yea, no one gives a gak.

Fraz.

Australia has committed troops to Afghanistan and Iraq in support of wars commenced by the United States under the administration of George W Bush, as have many nations including mine.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/defence/australians-soldiers-in-afghanistan-incident/story-e6frg8yo-1225909698365

So, with respect...
You bet your ass we get to speak our opinions of this man and his time in office.

Whilst the sons and daughters of our nations fight your nation's war and die or are maimed by it, I suggest strongly to you we foreigners will maintain the right to pass our judgements on this man and the decisions he made.

We'll happily get our noses out of your business when your business isn't sweeping the rest of the world up in it.

Fraz.

Australia has committed troops to Afghanistan and Iraq in support of wars commenced by the United States under the administration of George W Bush, as have many nations including mine.

So what? We're talking about politicians and people from other countries taking pot shots at US presidents when they have don't gak.

You bet your ass we get to speak our opinions of this man and his time in office.

Why? You've stated nothing. Talk about your own politicians.

Whilst the sons and daughters of our nations fight your nation's war and die or are maimed by it,

Bull gak
1. You forget yourself. Several hundred Brits died in the World Trade Center destruction.
2. You're opbligated under NATO. The fact NATO countries haven't supported the alliance properly is apriori evidence NATO should be disbanded. Today.

Frazzled wrote:
Bull gak
1. You forget yourself. Several hundred Brits died in the World Trade Center destruction.
2. You're opbligated under NATO. The fact NATO countries haven't supported the alliance properly is apriori evidence NATO should be disbanded. Today.

Frazz, the problem is you polarize entire countries. Im British, i happily spent a few years in both Iraq and Afghanistan, supported the war etc etc

But its down to an individual opinion, ie MGS doesnt agree with war, but i do, its got nothing to do with the fact that several hundred Brits died in the WTC.

I dont think its quite right to make broad sweeping statements in the UK or Australia when there are people both for and against in both countries.

And you cant say that people arent allowed an opinion just because you dont like it.

For example i dont like Obama very much, i bet your happy me saying that right?

You're talking the war, I'm talking politicians. Its easy to make fun of US politicians when you yourself (not you Matty) have politicians that ain't gak. Again talk about your politicians. We'll talk about ours.

Mate, i don't think you will find a man alive (with any bloody sense!) who will say a nice thing about a politician, even if they voted for the guy!

mattyrm wrote:Mate, i don't think you will find a man alive (with any bloody sense!) who will say a nice thing about a politician, even if they voted for the guy!

Well then you're ideally suited for the "Which is better to sic on a politician: dropbear of jackalope?" discussion.

You're stuck in an elevator with a lawyer and a politician. You have a gun with one bullet. What do you do?

Frazzled wrote:

Fraz.

Australia has committed troops to Afghanistan and Iraq in support of wars commenced by the United States under the administration of George W Bush, as have many nations including mine.

So what? We're talking about politicians and people from other countries taking pot shots at US presidents when they have don't gak.

Of course they are free to have an opinion. The fact you don't like it isn't their problem, it's yours. I am free to criticise Chávez and so are you, I don't see you holding back if we're talking about him, or Ammagetmadinnerjacket. You don't remain quiet on them due to not being Venezuelan or Iranian.

Frazzled wrote:

You bet your ass we get to speak our opinions of this man and his time in office.

Why? You've stated nothing. Talk about your own politicians.

I had not stated anything in this thread so far, I did feel it necessary to post when you basically told sebster he's not entitled to have an opinion or state one.

Frazzled wrote:

Whilst the sons and daughters of our nations fight your nation's war and die or are maimed by it,

Bull gak
1. You forget yourself. Several hundred Brits died in the World Trade Center destruction.
2. You're opbligated under NATO. The fact NATO countries haven't supported the alliance properly is apriori evidence NATO should be disbanded. Today.

1. Several hundred Brits have also been killed by the terrorism of the IRA. We did not invade the United States following that, despite the major funding being sent to the terrorists from that nation. Nor did we launch airstrikes against America when the leader of Sinn Fein enjoyed gala dinners in the White House while his terror cells bombed our shopping centres and other civilian targets.
2. We are also obligated under the United Nations to abide by international law regarding warfare. The invading war of Iraq remains illegal under that law and broke our agreement and pledge to the United Nations.

mattyrm wrote:

Frazzled wrote:
Bull gak
1. You forget yourself. Several hundred Brits died in the World Trade Center destruction.
2. You're opbligated under NATO. The fact NATO countries haven't supported the alliance properly is apriori evidence NATO should be disbanded. Today.

Frazz, the problem is you polarize entire countries. Im British, i happily spent a few years in both Iraq and Afghanistan, supported the war etc etc

But its down to an individual opinion, ie MGS doesnt agree with war, but i do, its got nothing to do with the fact that several hundred Brits died in the WTC.

I dont think its quite right to make broad sweeping statements in the UK or Australia when there are people both for and against in both countries.

And you cant say that people arent allowed an opinion just because you dont like it.

For example i dont like Obama very much, i bet your happy me saying that right?

Well put.

However I always supported the war in Afghanistan. I am simply stating that we 'foreigners' are very entitled to pass comment on a national leader, especially one like GWB who committed his country to 2 wars that our countries joined.

I did not support the war in Iraq, I am pleased that Saddam is dead but unconvinced by the excuses of WOMD and supporting Al Q given that Osama offered to assassinate Saddam for Bush senior... We have still found no evidence of any link to terror networks nor WOMD in Saddam's resume. That he was a monster who needed taking down was not at issue, but if we're knocking down bad guys, why the hell ain't Mugabe hiding under his desk as the A10s tear up his palace? How about the rest of the tinpots and bastards who need a proper kicking?

Shoot the lawyer quickly in the head as i know several fit lawyers the right side of 40, but politicians seem to be older in general.

Then pistol whip politician to death as he is likely to be more frail and unable to defeat me in mortal combat.

MeanGreenStompa wrote:

Frazzled wrote:

Fraz.

Australia has committed troops to Afghanistan and Iraq in support of wars commenced by the United States under the administration of George W Bush, as have many nations including mine.

So what? We're talking about politicians and people from other countries taking pot shots at US presidents when they have don't gak.

Of course they are free to have an opinion. The fact you don't like it isn't their problem, it's yours.

And my opinion is that his opinion is neither educated, nor warranted.

1. Several hundred Brits have also been killed by the terrorism of the IRA. We did not invade the United States following that, despite the major funding being sent to the terrorists from that nation. Nor did we launch airstrikes against America when the leader of Sinn Fein enjoyed gala dinners in the White House while his terror cells bombed our shopping centres and other civilian targets.

Thats a pity, we could have used 10 or so new states. However its not relevant.

2. We are also obligated under the United Nations to abide by international law regarding warfare. The invading war of Iraq remains illegal under that law and broke our agreement and pledge to the United Nations.

Mmmm no we were already in a state of war under a cease fire that was breached on a daily basis by continuing acts of war (lighting up or shooting at Coaltiion aircraft maintaining the no fly zone), plus they threw the inspectors out. We could have glassed them at any time under existing UN mandates.

I dont think its quite right to make broad sweeping statements in the UK or Australia when there are people both for and against in both countries.

Again thats great and all but it doesn't mean gak. Talk about your own politicians.

For example i dont like Obama very much, i bet your happy me saying that right?

No. He's my President. I can tell him to feth off because he's MY President. Anyone else can go to hell.
The same applies to Cameron (its Cameron right?) Brist can say what they want about him. Non Brits are suspect and generally should butt out.

Well that's certainly your opinion. It's not a view I share but since you believe that so strongly, we'll not see you making any more references to Chávez or Ahmadinejad or Kim Jong-il as you are not from their countries...

As I don't share your view on this, I will continue to damn them all to hell as I see fit. Anyone else on this forum is also perfectly entitled to do so as the current rules permit.

MeanGreenStompa wrote:Well that's certainly your opinion. It's not a view I share but since you believe that so strongly, we'll not see you making any more references to Chávez or Ahmadinejad or Kim Jong-il as you are not from their countries...

As I don't share your view on this, I will continue to damn them all to hell as I see fit. Anyone else on this forum is also perfectly entitled to do so as the current rules permit.

Unless they impact me I don't generally discuss other politicians. Its just always joyous when posters from other countries put forth their invariably negative opinions, when ignoring their own house.

Just another reason the OT shouldn't talk about politics.

The OT shouldn't talk about anything.

Except booze.

Frazzled wrote:Unless they impact me I don't generally discuss other politicians. Its just always joyous when posters from other countries put forth their invariably negative opinions, when ignoring their own house.

Just another reason the OT shouldn't talk about politics.

I continue to believe the OT should ban politics and religious debate, neither are suited and both stir ill will.

But whilst they aren't banned, you say 'unless they impact me'. GWB's term of office and the wars started therein, along with the huge international debt accrued during that time certainly affect and influence across the world. He certainly has more impact in my life than Kim Jong-il has had in yours.

Kilkrazy wrote:The OT shouldn't talk about anything.

Except booze.

And cheese
And Weiner Dogs
And Aliens! I Done seen 'em!

We have the DCM for the other thing


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But whilst they aren't banned, you say 'unless they impact me'. GWB's term of office and the wars started therein, along with the huge international debt accrued during that time certainly affect and influence across the world. He certainly has more impact in my life than Kim Jong-il has had in yours.

Wars started therein-you mean the war Al Qaeda started right?

Huge International debt? The US is only respsonsible for its debt. Don't blame us for your fiscal profligacy.

North korea is selling nuke tech to Syria and Iran. It may have far more of an impact on you than you realize.

Frazzled wrote:North korea is selling nuke tech to Syria and Iran. It may have far more of an impact on you than you realize.

That's why I can still talk about them, I haven't set myself a rule that I'm not talking about the leaders of other nations, you have...

Frankly I'm always keen to hear what the perception of our leaders is 'from the outside'. It grants a different perspective.

MeanGreenStompa wrote:

Frazzled wrote:Unless they impact me I don't generally discuss other politicians. Its just always joyous when posters from other countries put forth their invariably negative opinions, when ignoring their own house.

Just another reason the OT shouldn't talk about politics.

I continue to believe the OT should ban politics and religious debate, neither are suited and both stir ill will.

But whilst they aren't banned, you say 'unless they impact me'. GWB's term of office and the wars started therein, along with the huge international debt accrued during that time certainly affect and influence across the world. He certainly has more impact in my life than Kim Jong-il has had in yours.

I disagree with all of you most strongly. We are all adults here, the argument that "this is a toy soldiers website!" holds no water at all. Were grown men, we like to paint, but we like to talk. When im playing my 40k with my mates and drinking cans, we shoot the gak and talk about whatever the hell we like.

I mix it up on every single "hot" topic that comes up on here because it is interesting!

Why on earth cant grown men (all three of you blokes are 30+) talk about anything they like? Im stunned that you actually get upset enough to want to close it down.

If you dont like talking about current affairs, dont log into the OT at all. If you really just want to look at "toy soldiers" then why the hell do you stick your heads in here anyway?!

mattyrm wrote:
I disagree with all of you most strongly. We are all adults here

Speak for yourself!

I find it interesting how the topic went from a sorta humorous blog article I find on a UK news site to a debate about the War in Afghanistan.

Still beats eating broccoli.

But.. but i like war!