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I'm in your thread, talkin' about George Bush.....

Seriously, Frazzled. Grow up. People have opinions, shrieking about them won't make them go away, all it'll do is just diminish your authority.

Albatross wrote:I'm in your thread, talkin' about George Bush.....

Seriously, Frazzled. Grow up. People have opinions, shrieking about them won't make them go away, all it'll do is just diminish your authority.

This is the internet, no one has authority. We're all losers.

Except this guy.

Frazzled wrote: How come we never debate Aussie polltiics?

Because they're crazy over there. Seriously, they go at each other like nobody's business, and personal insults are not below the belt by any means. Hell, I'm surprised that they don't riot every time they're in session.

Gorskar.da.Lost wrote:

Frazzled wrote: How come we never debate Aussie polltiics?

Because they're crazy over there. Seriously, they go at each other like nobody's business, and personal insults are not below the belt by any means. Hell, I'm surprised that they don't riot every time they're in session.

that would be cool.

Actually we discussed Aussie politics a few weeks ago.

We covered the replacement of Rudd by Gillard and the subsequent election which resulted in a minority government being formed with a Welshwoman as prime minister.

Frazzled wrote:
I'd rather not argue with an Aussie who's own lame ass politicians or country for that matter haven't done a damn thing ever about the merits of a US President when he makes sweeping statements without support. Come back to me when you, your politicans, or your country have done anything more than make a movie about a redneck who kills gators goes to the civilized world.

I love these threads that inevitably slam the US or US politicians/presidents, with full commentary from foreigners. How come we never debate Aussie polltiics? Oh yea, no one gives a gak.

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Frazzled wrote:
2. You're opbligated under NATO. The fact NATO countries haven't supported the alliance properly is apriori evidence NATO should be disbanded. Today.

They aren't obligated to do anything. If you're going to start crying about "unqualified" people arguing about things they "qualified" to discuss, then you should really pay attention to what you speak about.

Article 5 of the NATO Charter wrote:
The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence recognised by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area.

The NATO Charter does not obligate member states to take military action when any member state is attacked. It obligates assistance to an extent that is determined by the assisting party.

Bush are the suxxors!

But yeah he's no alcoholic. The guys from Beerfest are more 'alcoholic' than he was... I say you aren't a true alcoholic unless you can literally set your piss on fire!

Frazzled wrote:I'd rather not argue with an Aussie who's own lame ass politicians or country for that matter haven't done a damn thing ever about the merits of a US President when he makes sweeping statements without support. Come back to me when you, your politicans, or your country have done anything more than make a movie about a redneck who kills gators goes to the civilized world.

I love these threads that inevitably slam the US or US politicians/presidents, with full commentary from foreigners. How come we never debate Aussie polltiics? Oh yea, no one gives a gak.

I forgot all about this thread and only stumbled onto it now. Sorry for the late reply. Sorrier still to see your standard of debate here. It's a new low for you mate, and I think you probably need to seriously think about whether you should be posting in political threads.

sebster wrote:

Frazzled wrote:I'd rather not argue with an Aussie who's own lame ass politicians or country for that matter haven't done a damn thing ever about the merits of a US President when he makes sweeping statements without support. Come back to me when you, your politicans, or your country have done anything more than make a movie about a redneck who kills gators goes to the civilized world.

I love these threads that inevitably slam the US or US politicians/presidents, with full commentary from foreigners. How come we never debate Aussie polltiics? Oh yea, no one gives a gak.

I forgot all about this thread and only stumbled onto it now. Sorry for the late reply. Sorrier still to see your standard of debate here. It's a new low for you mate, and I think you probably need to seriously think about whether you should be posting in political threads.

I think Frazzled is in a whole 'nother league when it comes to debatin', Texas style.

To be honest, few can match you in debate sebster.

What, if he was fully inebrieated 24hrs a day, would people's opinions of him change? Probably not. He's a Progressive Republican, in the mold of Teddy Roosevelt, not really a conservative regarding a lot of spending issues. His education spendings levels were record highs, passed the largest entitlement since 1965 (Medicare Part D), was and is still soft on the border, Bailed out Wall Street and the Auto Industry. He's a great example of a big government Republican. It's not a debate between the Dems or Repubs as to how the government should be run, but who can run it the best. They both want bigger government and more bureacracy.

Seb, I know you are smart fellow, but trying to compare Australia's economy to the US's is a really bad idea. When the US's economy is over a quarter of the entire globe's GDP, it's kind of hard to say that Australia (which is a respectable 13th, considering much of Australia is desert) should brag about low debt levels. Where do countries go when they have a problem (i.e. Natural Disaster, invasion... etc.)? It's to the US first most of the time. We have massive debt because of bad social policies and expensive wars. Our unfunded liability is out of control.

Stormrider wrote:Seb, I know you are smart fellow, but trying to compare Australia's economy to the US's is a really bad idea. When the US's economy is over a quarter of the entire globe's GDP, it's kind of hard to say that Australia (which is a respectable 13th, considering much of Australia is desert) should brag about low debt levels. Where do countries go when they have a problem (i.e. Natural Disaster, invasion... etc.)? It's to the US first most of the time. We have massive debt because of bad social policies and expensive wars. Our unfunded liability is out of control.

Umm, I wasn't trying to compare, Fraz was. I was pointing out that if he makes the comparison, it isn't flattering to the US. I don't know why he was trying to do that, maybe he read an article on Austria's debt and got confused or something.

Australia's low debt is the product of us having tremendous mineral resources, that generate substantial government revenue directly, and also drive up incomes across the board, providing for a larger tax base. Add in the efforts of our previous Liberal government to put in place a goods and services tax and bring spending down to controllable levels, and you have Australia's low debt explained.

The US has a much stickier problem, where the lack of party discipline makes hard budget decision much more difficult, and where you are so big that you can't rely on single industries to drive much of the economy. The conclusion is unavoidable though, you need a larger general tax base to cover the programs that simply can't be but, and you need to start cutting back on all the extra that you can't afford.

We're only the 13th biggest economy right now because the exchange rate is so whacky, because we're the only ones not printing piles of cash. If you look at PPP we're more like 19th.

Again, Sebster hasn't pointed to anything Australia has actually done. At least Japan tried to conquer half the world, A for effort. Australia, the world's strip mine.

EDIT: I should be nice when talking about Australia. They try they really do. Plus with drop bears and killer spiders, snakes and my distant cousins the crocodiles, they are like a home away from home.

But it doesn't take away from the essential popint that foreigners from a country that hasn't done much for the world except the horror of vegemite are commenting about a former US President. Look to your own house.

This is basically the same argument as "you can't sculpt a better model than this, so you aren't allowed to say bad things about it", isn't it? I reject that argument.

The Dreadnote wrote:This is basically the same argument as "you can't sculpt a better model than this, so you aren't allowed to say bad things about it", isn't it? I reject that argument.

No its the argument that your big claim to fame was high school drama class, so don't throw tomatoes at the Shakespearean actors playing at the Globe.

Frazzled wrote:

The Dreadnote wrote:This is basically the same argument as "you can't sculpt a better model than this, so you aren't allowed to say bad things about it", isn't it? I reject that argument.

No its the argument that your big claim to fame was high school drama class, so don't throw tomatoes at the Shakespearean actors playing at the Globe.

That's the same argument.

"It doesn't take a good actor to spot a bad one - Galaxy Quest

George Spiggott wrote:

Frazzled wrote:

The Dreadnote wrote:This is basically the same argument as "you can't sculpt a better model than this, so you aren't allowed to say bad things about it", isn't it? I reject that argument.

No its the argument that your big claim to fame was high school drama class, so don't throw tomatoes at the Shakespearean actors playing at the Globe.

That's the same argument.

"It doesn't take a good actor to spot a bad one - Galaxy Quest

But it does take an actor, not some two bit rent a wreck from the Dumpwater Community Theater.

Frazzled wrote:But it does take an actor, not some two bit rent a wreck from the Dumpwater Community Theater.

If you are acting you are an actor.

George Spiggott wrote:

Frazzled wrote:But it does take an actor, not some two bit rent a wreck from the Dumpwater Community Theater.

If you are acting you are an actor.

Nonsense.

Frazzled wrote:Again, Sebster hasn't pointed to anything Australia has actually done. At least Japan tried to conquer half the world, A for effort. Australia, the world's strip mine.

EDIT: I should be nice when talking about Australia. They try they really do. Plus with drop bears and killer spiders, snakes and my distant cousins the crocodiles, they are like a home away from home.

But it doesn't take away from the essential popint that foreigners from a country that hasn't done much for the world except the horror of vegemite are commenting about a former US President. Look to your own house.

Fine. As long as you understand that you can't talk about Britain because the wall outside my house is older than your country. Britain has 'done more' than the US. Does that then make us immune from criticism - or even discussion?

No, it absolutely does not. Stop being stupid and childish. Unless people are breaking the rules by talking about George Bush, you should probably just keep your mouth shut, as you have absolutely nothing to add to this discussion.

Stop being stupid and childish

Thats a trolling attack Alby. But I'll let it slide.

Other than advocating the use of black powder and Cromwell I don't discuss Brit politics.
I have lots to add, that people in other countries should shut the feth up and deal with their own politicians. Frankly if you don't like ours kiss my ass, which is essentually all you're saying to me. You can't vote for them so NA NA NA!!!

Here I'll spice it up. UK politicians- scum sucking garbage collectors who couldn't think on their own to save their ass. The Queen, a parasite sucking off the population and her name.

Frazzled wrote:Other than advocating the use of black powder and Cromwell I don't discuss Brit politics.
I have lots to add, that people in other countries should shut the feth up and deal with their own politicians. Frankly if you don't like ours kiss my ass, which is essentually all you're saying to me. You can't vote for them so NA NA NA!!!

And then also perhaps by extention not ever speak about former leaders of countries like Germany, Russia, China, Iran, Iraq... Do we see a pattern?

Frazzled wrote:
Here I'll spice it up. UK politicians- scum sucking garbage collectors who couldn't think on their own to save their ass. The Queen, a parasite sucking off the population and her name.

Ok, elaborate and explain your reasoning behind those statements (as you're perfectly capable of doing when you put your mind to it) and we can start a mature discussion. Because we don't have a problem with you voicing your opinions about our leaders or heads of state, you are the one who has this rule for himself.

Frazzled wrote:

Stop being stupid and childish

Thats a trolling attack Alby. But I'll let it slide.

Other than advocating the use of black powder and Cromwell I don't discuss Brit politics.
I have lots to add, that people in other countries should shut the feth up and deal with their own politicians. Frankly if you don't like ours kiss my ass, which is essentually all you're saying to me. You can't vote for them so NA NA NA!!!

Here I'll spice it up. UK politicians- scum sucking garbage collectors who couldn't think on their own to save their ass. The Queen, a parasite sucking off the population and her name.

You're literally incoherent at this point. What are you talking about? Why do you love George W. Bush so much?

You're getting so emotional about this subject that you're flinging broadbrush insults about other people's countries around. It's kind of funny - until I remember that you are a grown man, and then it just becomes a little sad, really.

Albatross wrote:You're literally incoherent at this point. What are you talking about? Why do you love George W. Bush so much?

You're getting so emotional about this subject that you're flinging broadbrush insults about other people's countries around. It's kind of funny - until I remember that you are a grown man and a moderator, and then it just becomes a little sad, really.

Fixed.

George Spiggott wrote:

Albatross wrote:You're literally incoherent at this point. What are you talking about? Why do you love George W. Bush so much?

You're getting so emotional about this subject that you're flinging broadbrush insults about other people's countries around. It's kind of funny - until I remember that you are a grown man and a moderator, and then it just becomes a little sad, really.

Fixed.

Don't forget poet and saint among men. You people keep forgetting that. Must the beatings be re-instituted?

Bush-bashing stopped being cool when Bush left office. All the cool kids are bashing Obama now.

Melissia wrote:All the Conservatices, Libertarians, Disillusioned Democrats, and Internet Trolls are bashing Obama now.

Fixed it for you.

I was being facetious

I don't think bashing Bush was cool even when he was in office. Frankly, I doubt a Democratic president would have done all THAT much different when it comes to the major decisions (Such as invading Iraq and Afghanistan, for example) given what we know about what they knew back then. And that's with me having more sympathy for the dems than the reps (mostly because I live ina very heavily republican area, and I get exposed to lots of rep idiocy instead of dem idiocy).

Melissia wrote:I was being facetious

I don't think bashing Bush was cool even when he was in office. Frankly, I doubt a Democratic president would have done all THAT much different when it comes to the major decisions (Such as invading Iraq and Afghanistan, for example) given what we know about what they knew back then. And that's with me having more sympathy for the dems than the reps (mostly because I live ina very heavily republican area, and I get exposed to lots of rep idiocy instead of dem idiocy).

That's also because there are less idiotic Democrats than there are Republicans, and their 'bad eggs' tend to be much worse than ours are. One reason is because one of the tenets of Conservativism is a lack of faith in the average man, or in other words a negative view of humanity as a whole. This is why they tend not to support anything that actually helps people, like welfare. (That's not to say that there aren't deadweights who abuse those systems, but there are a looooooot of people who actually need the help.) So the Republican party tends to attract a good portion of the idiots and malcontents this country produces. Need evidence? Tea Party. Michele Bachmann. Sarah Palin.

...Bush. (couldn't resist! )

The Dems have Obama. That throws your logic out the window MasterDRD.

MasterDRD wrote:

Melissia wrote:I was being facetious

I don't think bashing Bush was cool even when he was in office. Frankly, I doubt a Democratic president would have done all THAT much different when it comes to the major decisions (Such as invading Iraq and Afghanistan, for example) given what we know about what they knew back then. And that's with me having more sympathy for the dems than the reps (mostly because I live ina very heavily republican area, and I get exposed to lots of rep idiocy instead of dem idiocy).

That's also because there are less idiotic Democrats than there are Republicans, and their 'bad eggs' tend to be much worse than ours are. One reason is because one of the tenets of Conservativism is a lack of faith in the average man, or in other words a negative view of humanity as a whole. This is why they tend not to support anything that actually helps people, like welfare. (That's not to say that there aren't deadweights who abuse those systems, but there are a looooooot of people who actually need the help.) So the Republican party tends to attract a good portion of the idiots and malcontents this country produces. Need evidence? Tea Party. Michele Bachmann. Sarah Palin.

...Bush. (couldn't resist! )

Have you ever heard of a concept of "false conciousness"? Those same Tea party people are the "common man" that class warfare cannard throwing individllas like yourself love to stand up for, but then excoriate them for disagreeing. Make up your mind who you claim to care so much about.